Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:40:30 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #368 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Liquid facts (Kirk Lawson) 3. Re: FW: Announcement of new organisation (Creed71963@aol.com) 4. Angry Koreans (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 5. New Organization a Godsend? (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 6. Liquid Facts - a mild rebuttal (Karim Rashad) 7. Hal Whalen (J.R. West) 8. RE: Coffee, Tea etc. (SallyBaughn@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:25:16 -0400 From: Harold Whalen To: "the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com" , "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [The_Dojang] sabatical/retirement Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all of my friends on the dojang digest .I announced to my class that I will be taking a sabbatical or leave of absence from Hapkido. The politics and the fighting are not what I want .I just want to train and workout but politics does not allow me to do this. Also with this in mind along with some personal family issues it is time ,That I spend some more time with my sons whom need me and the woman I love who tolerates me . If I come back to the arts you'll know if not ,Thank you for being there in that phase of my life Hal Whalen --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:27:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Liquid facts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: "Andrew Pratt" > To: "dojang" > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:22:36 +0900 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Liquid facts > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net [snip] > > > > > >1. In many states (in the USA) the highway patrol carries > two gallons of > > >Coke in the truck to remove blood from the highway after a > car accident. Anybody got any proof of this? > > >2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be > > gone in two days. Have you ever tried this? I've marinated venison in coke. It cooked up real nice afterwards. > > >3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet > > bowl and let > > >the "real thing" sit for one hour, then flush clean. The > citric acid in > > >Coke > > >removes stains from vitreous china. No it doesn't. Try it and find out. > > >4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the > bumper with a > > >rumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrapped aluminum foil dipped > in Coca-Cola. Have you ever tried this? Have you ever tried this sans coke? > > >5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a > can of Coca-Cola > > >over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion. Have you ever tried this? Doesn't work. > > >6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Applying a cloth soaked in > Coca-Cola to the > > >rusted bolt for several minutes. Have you ever tried this? > > >7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into the baking > > pan, wrap > > >the ham in aluminum foil, and bake. Thirty minutes before > the ham is > > >finished, remove the foil, allowing the drippings to mix with > > the Coke for > > >sumptuous brown gravy. Sounds like a nice recipe. Why does this make coke-a-cola bad? > > >8. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a > > load of greasy > > >clothes, add detergent, and run through a regular cycle. The > > Coca-Cola will > > >help loosen grease stains. Have you ever tried this? > It will also clean road haze >from your > > >windshield. Actually, hot coffee does this better and without getting your windshield and wipers sticky with sugar. But it's only because the hot coffee is HOT and that helps to clean the oil and grease. > > >For Your Info > > > > > >1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is > > 2.8. Active ingredient? > It will > > >dissolve a nail in about 4 days. No. It won't. I've waited a week before trying to let a bottle of Coke desolve a nail. Wasted the coke and got a nail sticky. > Phosphoric acid also leaches > > calcium from > > >bones and is a major contributor to the rising increase in > osteoporosis. Maybe, maybe not. The researchers doing these studies say that more work needs to be done. There is a correlation but no causation proven. It might just be that people who drink cola have a typically calcium poor diet. > > >2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial > > truck must use > > >the Hazardous material place cards reserved for Highly corrosive > > materials. Are you sure about this? I don't recall ever seeing one on the delivery truck. > > >3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean > the engines of > > >their > > >trucks for about 20 years! They deny this. > > >Now the question is, would you like a glass of water or coke? > > > > > >Coke is "it"! Neither. I like coke well enough but I don't drink much of it, preferring hot tea instead. I am just kinda tired of seeing this gem circulating as truth. Has anybody circulating this missive every tried marinating a T-Bone in Coke for two days? Obviously not. Have they ever tried devolving a nail? Nope. Heck, I couldn't even get it to devolve chicken bones. Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:55:02 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: FW: Announcement of new organisation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 07/31/2002 3:29:11 AM EST, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Message: 1 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" , "Rupert" , "Anthony Boyd" , "Dane" , "Roy Collingwood" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:32:38 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] FW: Announcement of new organisation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is my pleasure to announce the formation of a new organisation to represent all foreign instructors of Korean martial arts. The organisation is called the Foreign Instructors of Korean Martial Arts Association (FIKMAN). FIKMAN (pronounced 'thick-man') will endeavour to represent the interests of foreign instructors of Korean martial arts, dictate standards for gradings, and generally interfere in the natural running of local clubs.>> Dibbs on the Tibetian Gopher Thowing!!!! Craig R. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:29:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Angry Koreans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Anthony: "........ A question that comes up in the teachers' room where I work is, "After all that we've (the US) done for them, how can they be so anti-american!?" I think that's a good question but not in the indignant tone in which it gets asked but in a serious sense. How indeed can they be so angry? Is there something that needs to be addressed or are 47 million people totally in the wrong to resent the terms of the SOFA?....." After so many intelligent posts I find it difficult to believe that the same Anthony Boyd wrote the above. Do we really need to examine all the injuries the Western nations in general, and the US in particular visited on Korea to give you the answer you are looking for? I would remind you that the "Hermit Kingdom" never asked to have its doors pulled open to Western thought or technology. Whatever we in the West might have thought of its "backwards" Confucian culture, its internecine political struggles and its pagan Shamanistic and Buddhist practices just how appreciative do you think the Korean people were to have arrogant US, British and French ships violate their shores in the name of Manifest Destiny in the late 1800-s? Did the Koreans know their lives would be better following Christianity? Or did they simply not appreciate that part of the Christian tradition would be the devisive and violent in-fighting among various Christian factions or the violent resistance by the Tong Haks as recorded by Allen in his dispatches? Maybe you forgot that Korea was "sold"/"traded" into Occupation in 1907 by the US in return for Japans agreement not to interfere in the US Occupation of the Phillipines. Of course this happened not before US mining interests had exploited gold reserves in northern Korea and Standard Oil had cornered the kerosene (heating) market in Korea to the exclusion of all others, the the League of Nations turned their backs on the Korean kings' pleas for intervention. Maybe you overlooked the way in which the Western World divided Korea up at Yalta long before the end of World War II. I wonder how it feels to know that the future of your country is no longer your own but is decided by political and economic forces thousands of miles away. Do you suppose that the Koreans missed the idea that the Korean War was not fought for THEM as much as using their country as a stage upon which the conflict between Capitalist and Communist ideologies could be pressed forward in the guise Liberty or Liberation? Do you think those people are so uninformed as to believe that the economic "miracle" they have is little more than a bookkeeping bubble which is the modern day economic replacement for the Yangban of old? Let us not forget that under all the hospitals and roads and electricty and plumbing that we may have brought to the Korean peninsula simmers an incredible anger and resentment that the Korean people were never given a choice or an opportunity to do for themselves, and that given a choice might have freely decided not to have all the "advantages" of modern Western Culture. Perhaps Gandhi could be neatly paraphrased here by saying that perhaps there may be no country which "would not prefer the bad government (culture) of its own to the good government (culture) of a foreign power." FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:44:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] New Organization a Godsend? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "......Remember we are only doing this for you!...." What, no patch? No Cert?, No self-serving Newsletter comprised mainly of pricey seminars? I hope you at least have a few disenfranchised foreign nationals with obscure memberships in equally obscure organizations back in the "old country". I am still licking my wounds now that I have come to realize that my rank and that of all the practitioners I respect ain't worth diddley without the recognition of the KMAIA. Damn. Ain't that a bitch? Anything your new organization can do to help me reanimate my decimated MA career? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Karim Rashad To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 31 Jul 2002 17:09:37 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Liquid Facts - a mild rebuttal Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net With respect to the pretty statistic-laden (i.e. probably completely inaccurate...) list of water v. Coke related facts, Coke's not all that bad. I mean, the highly acidic and sugar-laden content means it's bad for your teeth but that's about it. It won't do anything bad to your insides. If you're impressed by this... > >2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be > gone in two > >days. ...you should see how quickly a T-bone steak dissapears when placed in a human stomach! Likewise, sure you can clean a toilet with Coke; but human stomach acid would probably do the job even better, it's just as acidic. Mind you, water's amazing stuff: I guess I used to think that drinking water during a training session was, err, not very macho (a childish attitude, I know!) but I've gotten over that, and sips of water throughout a session seems to give me the ability to go much longer, and feel much better afterwards. Tony --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:18:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hal Whalen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear friends: I just received a note about Master Whalen's retirement or sabbatical or whatever, and I have to say that I am most disappointed, not in Master Whalen, but in those folks that have put him in a position that will keep him from teaching the art that he loves so well. I KNOW Hal Whalen, and I call him my friend, and I also know that his answer to any type of HapKiDo discussion is "show me on the mat". All this political nonsense is ridiculous, and I have never known Hal to take any sort of a stand regarding political affiliations based on anything but productivity in creating good students. We are from different organizations, but on and off the mat we are best of friends, with his students welcomed any time at any of my schools, and I'm sure mine would be welcomed at his. I hope this is a quickly passing situation, because the HapKiDo world has just lost one of its' best teachers, one of its' purest proponents and someone who transcends politics......Best to you my friend...J.R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:39:28 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Coffee, Tea etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pat wrote: << In addition to caffeine being a concern, coffee and sugar have been indicated in suppressing HGH Human Growth Hormone. >> You mean all that coffee I drank really DID stunt my growth?!? Thank God! I'd probably have been 7 feet tall without the stunting effects of caffeine. Sally --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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