Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:27:13 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #374 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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(Atchinson, Kerry M) 2. re- etiquette (MW) 3. Sparring help (Atchinson, Kerry M) 4. Re: Hal Whalen, Organizations, etc. (ABurrese@aol.com) 5. RE: Korean story telling (Teressa) 6. Positive Role Models for Kids (john.a.mcintosh@bt.com) 7. Mike Wollmershauser ?? (Ray Terry) 8. Michael Tomlison's fathers wisdom (Tom Kennelly) 9. Korean Martial art (Emil and Betty Bautista) 10. Re: Korean Martial art (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:59:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] No hippies? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Derek writes about etiquette: The uniform shall be kept clean, belt tied properly, etc. To straighten uniform, turn away from the instructor. No jewelry, long hair for men, etc. Instructors and black belts should be addressed Mr., Mrs., or Ms. or Sir or Ma'am. Shoes are not permitted in the dojang. Hope this helps. Derek 2nd Dan-TKD Straight and simple stuff, very much like ours. But really now! "No long hair for men?" Are women prohibited from wearing short hair? Why does this matter anymore? With tongue lightly in cheek, Kerry WTF TKD --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: 02 Aug 02 10:00:04 -0500 From: MW To: the_dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] re- etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net " No jewelry, long hair for men, etc." -------------------------------------- I agree with the no jewelry rule as you or your partner could be injured, but no long hair for men?? sounds a little 50's to me respectfully, an old hippie who loves the arts m. whalen --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:17:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring help Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From Laurie: I also have an etiquette question. We are not allowed to ask a senior belt to spar. My instructor said it was for etiquette purposes. But I wasn't asking him to "fight" per say. I was asking him for help/tips to improve my sparring. I mean, my instructor wasn't rude about it, but I think it's kinda weird not to be able to ask a senior for help. At least in my old dojang, they "wanted" you to ask for help. They wanted you to learn and get help when possible. What do you guys think? Laurie green belt TKD (5th gup TSD) Hey, I guess when in Rome, do as the Romans... though this seems odd to me too. We certainly are encouraged to approach higher ranks for help. Does the same hold true for advice on forms, one-steps, and other parts of the curriculum? Or just the sparring? Perhaps the instructor wants to ensure you are taught exactly as he or she desires? Just a thought... Kerry WTF TKD --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:19:04 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hal Whalen, Organizations, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It saddens me to see someone passionate about Hapkido wanting to stop teaching due to certain politics. Hal, if you need to spend more time with your family, by all means do so, that is and should be one of your top priorities. But please don't let politics take you away from something you love, and those students who greatly respect you and have gained much from your teaching. I only know you through e-mail, phone calls, and some of a video I saw of you, but am hoping to learn from you one of these days. (I was hoping you were going to be at J.R. West's last Feb, and am still hoping you will make it next year.) Another thing that troubles me about all the posts was written by Michael T. He said: >>>>>I will say without a doubt that their actions and politics have created a huge stain on the KHF. I had great respect for that organization at one time, but after seeing how nothing has been done to stop certain individuals from monopolizing and disrespecting their own members I have nothing good to say about this org,, period.<<<<<<<< Very sad that this is not the first time I have read someone saying this very thing. (It was at least a year ago that another individual posted a similar post on a different forum) Funny how both people posting this did so because of the actions of a certain individual, or small group of them. Yes, same person making different people not like the KHF. Let me remind everyone of something we all know anyway, and that is that an individual does not an organization make, nor does an organization make the individual. (Said in my best Yoda immitation) The Korea Hapkido Federation is an organization, and like any organization you will find people you like and don't like. I personally know a number of people involved with the organization that I can say very good things about. My instructor is one of them. I have dan rank from the KHF because that is the organization my instructor belongs too. My certificates are signed by Oh Se-lim, but he is not my teacher. I'd be just as happy with something signed by my instructor in Kangnung, even though no one knows of him. He is a person I respect and have learned a lot from. Not many know of Dennis Dallas in Montana, but he is another of my instructors that I greatly respect. He doesn't care for the politics either, so he doesn't worry too much about the different organizations. The point of this is that you need to look at individuals, not organizations. And when it comes down to it, who cares? I had someone write to me a while back saying he had dan rank in this and that, but he wanted dan rank from the KHF. I wrote back and said, "why?" He replied that it was because the KHF was the best. I told him to find an instructor he liked that was under the KHF and train with him till he was awarded a black belt. I still don't think any one organization is better than any other. There are great martial artists from many different organizations, Hapkido and otherwise. I wear the KHF patch on my uniform, and am proud of the rank I hold from the KHF because of my respect for my teacher. And all of the people I know in the KHF have been very good to me. However, I do not know any KHF people outside of Korea. (I know of some, but do not know them personally) And guess what, all of the Koreans I know in the KHF don't know anything about any other Americans in the KHF, especially any that claim this and that and whatnot. So again, the best thing I can do is take my instructor's advice in that organizations and politics are not important and what is important is to train hard and get better and to be a good person. Just as important as an individual does not make an organization, an organization does not make an individual. Too many people identify themselves by their organizations, titles or letters behind their names. People get all hung up on this and that title. This and that degree. This and that dan rank from what organization. Why? It is sort of funny. The people that most respect the most are those that don't care about those things and earn respect by the way they treat others and the example they set. Those that go around demanding respect, "Call me Dr. Grandmaster, and bow when you speak to me, don't you know I am your senior." are the people that most do not respect and talk bad about to others. I guess I watched too many John Wyane movies as a kid, especially "The Alamo." Remember Crockett's reply to Col. Travis when Travis tells him to call him Col. The duke replied, "Well, I'm a Col. too, and it would sound pretty stupid going Col. Col. back and forth. You call me Crockett and I'll call you Travis." Not that it is not important to show respect. I just have a hard time finding respect for someone who goes around demanding it rather than earning it. The point is, respect is for the person, not so much for the organization, title or degree. Sure, you respect certain titles and degrees, but not as much as certain people. I'm not better because I have certificates from the KHF, I'm better because of what my instructor taught me. I didn't even get any certificates from Marc MacYoung for all the training we used to do in the back yard when we were both in California, but I'm better because of it. The point is, don't confuse your identity with an organization or a title. If you do, you are missing a lot. A lot of life that is. I was talking to one of the most dangerous men I have met a couple weeks ago. The guy is one person I would never want to tangle with. Former SF, years and years of Indonesian Penjak Silat training, etc. His identity: First and formost a Chritian, Second a husband, Third a father, Fourth a martial artist. Sounds like he has priorties set right. Martial artist is not top on my list either, my family comes first. But being a martial artist and living a warrior lifestyle is part of me. But not with any title or organization. I don't need a title, I don't need a certificate, I don't need a patch to wear, I don't need an organization. What I NEED is to continue improving. I NEED to stay in shape. I NEED to be able to defend myself if a situation occurs, and this means with guns, knives, sticks, hands or whatever. This is why my martial training also includes weapons. That's all I NEED. I enjoy teaching and helping others, that's why I teach, write, do videos etc. But I could stop all that and just train to improve myself and be fine, since that is all I really NEED. I think some people should take a look at themselves and figure out why they are demanding respect, etc. Why they are not comfortable enough with themselves that they have to put others down and create problems to make themselves feel more important. I don't get it. Isn't there enough problems going on? Why make more, especially over stupid stuff that doesn't really matter. With that, I better get going. It's after midnight here in Korea and I'm being told that I need to hurry and get off of here. Sorry to be on my soapbox for so long, but it really does get to me to see so much bickering and fighting among martial artists when most of us at least give lip service to following a higher moral code that includes honor, integrity and honesty. Hope some of this makes sense and gets people to thinking about why they train in the first place. Just writing it helps me focus a bit more on what is important, so thanks for that opportunity. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Teressa To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Korean story telling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Craig, Actually, Korean films range from the traditional storytelling, to modern dramas and comedies, not to mention both good and bad martial arts films. I've had the immense pleasure, while living here in Korea, of visiting local DVD rooms. Here I can choose amongst a few rooms, and for about $10 select a DVD (korean, north american, chinese, and european titles). I can then have the host select the English subtitles. A great way to escape the summer heat since I don't have air conditioning. I recommend JSA (Joint Security Area) and I could continue, but I'd have to go and write down all the names at the DVD place. Maybe you have a video rental place nearby that specializes in international films. There should be a few korean titles available. The singing you heard in Chunyang is called Pansori. Even though I can't understand what's being said, I find the feeling and the rhythm quite enjoyable. Anyways, enjoy. Tess Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: john.a.mcintosh@bt.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:33:26 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Positive Role Models for Kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just shifting out of lurk mode for a quick message/question. I was reading a local newspaper (Glasgow, Scotland) and there was a short article on a local Tae kwon Do school that had taken to giving fruit and water to their young students at the beginning of classes. It seems that most of the kids were bringing cans of coke, chocolate bars, etc to eat before or after classes, so the instructors decided to try to reverse the trend and gave out the healthy substitutes for free. Soon the kids were bringing their own healthy snacks, losing weight and generally feeling better about themselves as well. Has any member of the list tried anything similar and, if so what were the results? Thank you all, John Mc Intosh --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Mike Wollmershauser ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just checking... We heard late last year that Master Mike Wollmershauser was rather ill. Does anyone have new info on how he is doing? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:22:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Michael Tomlison's fathers wisdom Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Your dad showed great wisdom and a couple of great examples come to mind outside of the martial arts: Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossings and Adelphia. >I would like to leave you all with >something my dad used to say to me when he viewed things like this happen in >the past,, he would say "remember son the biggest turds usually float to the >top and stay there for awhile until someone see's how bad they smell and >flushes them",,, I think this is appropriate in this instance and I hope >that before too long there will be some serious flushing in the Hapkido >world!! > Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Emil and Betty Bautista" To: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:45:01 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Martial art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gentlemen, I have asked this question many times to different Korean martial artist but have had no response to my question. Can any one tell me when all or any of the Korean martial art come to Hawaii. Can't seem to find information on any books, magazine or other sources and would like to know to finalizes a notebook I am doing. This information is somewhat important for my research and I am at ends wit with out an answer, so can anyone out there help. Thank you for your time and patience Emil Bautista emil@pon.net --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Korean Martial art To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Gentlemen, I have asked this question many times to different Korean martial > artist but have had no response to my question. Can any one tell me when all > or any of the Korean martial art come to Hawaii. Can't seem to find > information on any books, magazine or other sources and would like to know to > finalizes a notebook I am doing. This information is somewhat important for my > research and I am at ends wit with out an answer, so can anyone out there > help. Check for info on Randy Chun. I believe he was one of the first TKD instructors in Hawaii. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest