Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:36:03 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #376 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RKD in MS (Ray Terry) 3. Sparring Etiquette (Laurie S.) 4. North Korea to Attend Busan Asian Games (Ray Terry) 5. Tedeschi HKD Book Page Scans (Ron Bain) 6. Organizations stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 7. kuk sool won and cross training (richard kolyer) 8. RE: Coffee, Tea, etc. (Hay, Pat) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:31:19 -0400 From: Todd Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Mike Wollmershauser Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I recently talked with a student of Master Wollmershauser and he said that he was very ill. My thoughts and prayers are with you Master Mike. Todd Miller --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] RKD in MS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a quick mention... I'm honored to be able to teach a short segment at Master West's upcoming 17th Intl Hapkido Seminar, August 16-18. My topic will be RKD, Reactive Knife Defense (title and material from my late instructor, Mike Inay). If you're driving to Jackson and have practice knives that you can bring with you, it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 11:41:05 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring Etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net michael tomlinson wrote: <<<>>> So, in your dojang, I can't ask for help on a techique? Or I can't ask for help on a form? You call that "jumping rank"? I wasn't even "geared" up. I was simply asking a senior to "help" me. I wasn't "challaging" him. I simply suck at sparring, and I wanted help/advice on how to improve. Like maybe he could give me pointers on combos, ext. And I didn't ask him during class. I asked him after class to help me (not "fight") in the next open class. He didn't even have to gear up or anything, because I wasn't asking him to "spar" per say. I don't know who wrote this (sorry for not seeing your name): <<<>>> This is how it was like in my old dojang. That's how he (my TSD instructor) felt about sparring. He encouraged us to ask help from seniors. If we needed help on ANYTHING, that's what they were there for (besides their own training). As long as you used proper etiquette (ma'am, sir, please, thank you, ect), they had no problem helping out. If I had my own dojang, I'd also encourage seniors to help out, and beginners to ask for help when needed. To some, that might be breaking the rules, but I want my students to get help when possible, and learn. Not just "wing it" (like I am right now) because they are not allowed to "ask" seniors for help. Ok I'll step down off my soap box now. Laurie (frustrated) Green belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] North Korea to Attend Busan Asian Games Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net North Korea to Attend Busan Asian Games August 5, 2002 North Korea said on Sunday (Aug. 4) that it would send a team of athletes to participate in the Busan Asian Games to be held in South Korea's second largest city next month. Wrapping up three days of working-level talks at the North's Mt. Geumgang, South and North Korea agreed to resume ministerial talks in Seoul on Aug. 12-14, the seventh of its kind since the landmark inter-Korean summit in 2000. Talks have been suspended since November. But the two sides could succeed in papering over lingering hostility over a deadly naval clash in late June, as the agreement failed to address who was to blame for the skirmish and how to prevent the repetition of similar cases. South Korean negotiators urged North Korea to take steps South Koreans could accept, such as a clear-cut apology and the punishment of those responsible for the armed provocation. But their North Korean counterparts repeated the July 25 telephone message expressing "regret" over the incident, officials said. Unification Minister Jeong Se-hyun and his North Korean counterpart Kim Ryong-song will hold talks Aug. 12-14 in Seoul, according to a joint statement. During the planned meeting, Jeong and Kim will discuss the opening of the second inter-Korean economic talks to handle joint anti-flood measures along the Imjin River, reunions of families separated since the 1950-53 Korean War, connecting the severed cross-broder railway and roads, and the construction of an industrial complex in Gaeseong. Other issues to be discussed will include the second inter-Korean talks to deal with the sluggish Mt. Geumgang tourism project, the dispatch of a North Korean economic inspection team to the South and the opening of military talks, according to the statement. The two sides will also discuss a timetable for the implementation of the inter-Korean agreements made during a South Korean envoy's visit to Pyeongyang on April 5. The opening of the fourth Red Cross talks and the fifth reunions of family members at Mt. Geumgang will be high on the agenda, the statement said. "It is very meaningful that North Korea has decided to send its team to the Busan Asian Games in September," said Rhee Bong-jo, cheif Southern delegate. "It will contribute to promoting reconciliation and cooperation between the two sides." Rhee added that South Korea would provide all the necessary conveniences to the North Korean team during their stay in the South. North Korea also agreed to allow South Korea to light a torch at Mt. Baekdu, which will be used together with a torch lit at Mt. Halla on Jeju Island, to light the cauldron at the opening ceremony of the Asian Games, according to officials. Lim Dong-won, President Kim Dae-jung's special adviser for unification affairs, called upon North Korea to participate in the Busan Asian Games, set for Sept. 29-Oct. 14, when he visited Pyeongyang in his capacity as special envoy in April. Before the working-level meeting was held, Kim Un-yong, a South Korean member of the International Olympic Committee, agreed to meet with his North Korean counterpart Chang Ung later this month in Monaco to discuss North Korea's participation in this year's Asian Games. Asked about North Korea's attitude toward the naval clash, Rhee said that the North reaffirmed its regret over the incident and promised to make an effort to prevent a repeat of a similar event. But the skirmish issue was not addressed in the inter-Korean agreement. The two sides also agreed to ensure a friendly inter-Korean football match in September and the successful hosting of festivities marking Korea's liberation from Japanese colonial rule, to be held in Seoul on Aug. 15. A North Korean civic group will attend the event. The four-member South Korean delegation, led by Rhee, returned to the port of Sokcho aboard the Hyundai cruiser, Seolbong, from the North Korean port of Jangjeon. Accompanying the delegation were nine support personnel and six journalists. * * * The following are highlights of S-N Agreements: - 7th Cabinet-Level Meeting in Seoul on Aug. 12-14. Agenda will include setting the date for Economic Cooperation Meeting, dispatch of NK Economic Delegation, Military Officials Meeting; - Revitalization of Mt. Geumgang Tourism; - Prompt holding of Red Cross talks for family reunions; - NK participation in Busan Asian Games; - Holding of Inter-Korean Football Match in Seoul --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ron Bain" To: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:29:56 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tedeschi HKD Book Page Scans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone help me with this. Recently purchased the Marc Tedeschi HKD book through Amazon.ca, and am missing the following pages: Pg. 290, 291, 294, 295, 298, 299, 302, 303 Would anyone who owns the book, be so kind as to scan and email the above pages to me if possible. I know I could probably send it back and get it replaced, but the shipping would probably be insane. Besides....it's my best friend right now.... May as well mention to any Canadian list members, that I recently bought the book through the recent opening of Amazon.ca and got a great deal as far as Canadian pricing. Total price was $93.00 cdn which included FREE SHIPPING. If you have lifted this book, you know that's a good deal. But in hindsight...if they're sending seconds....???? Ron <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Korean Hoshinsool On-Line: http://hoshinsulonline.tripod.ca Sr. Software Support Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:20:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Organizations stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: I have been musing over a few of the responses that people have posted regarding organizations and their functions. I think I hear people saying that individuals are served by organizations and not the other way around. Well and good; I agree. There is a caveat to that thought, though, that I think we would do well to consider. What if what the person is seeking from the organization, through some bureaucratic finagling, recognition, or status, or prestige or some such that which their personality or values aren't able to get them legitimately. Into this category I throw the "airline promotions" and the rank purchasers and the guys who formulate their own MA and then elect themselves king. Yes, I know what most of you would say --- "Bruce, their only kidding themselves." And once again, I would agree. But does it necessarily stop there and then? In the US culture a guy can, for a while, represent themselves as a Dr., say a PhD, or sometimes even an MD to people. Maybe it even lasts a little while but sooner or later that person gets caught and the repercussions are usually pretty fast and pretty severe. Set up a phoney institute or university and, likewise, that has ways of tripping a person up. When it comes to KMA, though, even when there ARE organizations, the quality control seems to be truely P***-poor. Maybe this gets back to the idea of people "joining" a personality rather than an organization dedicated to that personality. Or, to take another thought, maybe people join organizations in the hopes of increasing the likelihood of running across quality individuals. Or----- Maybe people need organizations to give them the sort of adulation and recognition they are not otherwise willing to work for. Afterall, why expend the sweat and effort of years of training when, for a few hundred dollars you can get a certificate that says you have already done it. Again, you say, "whats the harm; they are only kidding themselves, right?" I'm not so sure now. Maybe the disease is more insidious than we give it credit. Its not as though most people will actually be called on to use their material in a true lifeNdeath situation. Who's to know, right? And if one person can do it, why not a bunch of people? And on that slippery slope what becomes of the integrity of the arts we practice? Seems to me that the answer is that the organization that is suppose to be providing a service to its members also is expected to be the gatekeeper for the quality control on that service. Now, that will mean that the organization would need to stick to its guns regarding technical ability, time-in-grade and so forth. It would also mean that the membership would be willing to submitt to that sort of authority. I understand that KMA is meant to build character. I wonder if we have enough character to develop an organization that actually subscribes to this sort of quality control. I wonder if we have the sort of population that would submit to such an authority? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: richard kolyer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] kuk sool won and cross training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Background: Leafing through the Hapkido book by M. Tedeschi I was pleasantly surprised to see an interview with Kuk Sool Won founder Suh In Hyuk. In the interview he admits traveling to "most, if not all, of the temples on S. Korea in search of any practice of martial arts that may not have been open to the public" but then later says, "I do not think that cross training or exposure to different arts...is important to martial artist's development." Question: Can any one on the list (esp those who've trained in KSW) help me reconcile the two statements? Answers via private email ok. Sool, Richard Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Hay, Pat" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:48:19 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Coffee, Tea, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sally wrote <<<<<<<>>>>>>> Sally, Here is some Info on HGH. Human Growth Hormone is the main hormone trigger of your entire body. HGH is what tells your body to replace the cells that die on a daily basis. As you go through life your body circulates less and less HGH, replacing fewer and fewer cells, and so our body "ages." By increasing Human Growth Hormone in your system your body naturally responds to the impulse to replace these lost cells. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest