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Today's Topics: 1. axe kick (Freekatncr@aol.com) 2. re: Master Mike Wollmershauser (BK4Leg@aol.com) 3. Cross training (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Master Mike (David Boylan) 5. rkd in MS (rich hodder) 6. RE: Cross Training (Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)) 7. Re: Promotion Requirements (Lasich, Mark D.) 8. Laurie: Sparring Etiquette (Farral, Kim) 9. Re: Cross training (Ray Terry) 10. Re: axe kick (Ray Terry) 11. Re: RKD in MS (Ray Terry) 12. Re: axe kick (Freekatncr@aol.com) 13. Re: axe kick (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Freekatncr@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:54:18 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] axe kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm a yellow belt (sorry, I'm a newbie) and I need advice on the axe kick. when I practice, I always hit the board, can someone help with this? --__--__-- Message: 2 From: BK4Leg@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:04:50 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Master Mike Wollmershauser Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/5/02 5:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Todd Miller >> noted Mike's illness - and I replied off list, including : I remember Mike from 30 years ago, when he used to drive down from Massachusetts on Friday nights to study with Master (now GrandMaster) Dr. Jung Hwan Park in NYC, at the old school in Flushing. Very strong commitment, very good spirit, a pleasure to share the mat with. I hope and pray he beats this - he's one of the good guys, and we'd like to see him stick around. Bernie --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:25:56 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cross training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard quotes: > "I do not think > that cross training or exposure to different arts...is > important to martial artist's development." Hello Richard. As a former KSW director, I can tell you that cross training was not accepted by WKSA during my time there. In fact, there even was a directive brought forward at one of our meetings that members could not even attend or host open tournaments. Apparently what's good for the goose may not be good enough for the goslings:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:31:08 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: David Boylan Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Mike Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Todd, Master Mike performed one of the greatest displays of courage and perserverence that I've ever seen. The man has been through 7 surguries, 5 rounds of radiation, and half a dozen cycles of chemo...and he never stopped teaching Hapkido. He gave a demo at his black belt reunion dinner where he had to pause every 3-4 techniques but he never faulted. Master Mike, you are in our prayers, Dave Boylan --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:52:26 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] rkd in MS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Ray, Glad to here you are going to the seminar in Jackson. I hope I am able to come to at least one of your RKD sessions. Retirement must agree with you. As always I will be there, but, this time (after years of folks asking) I will be working on stretching and flexibility. I hope to see a bunch of listers there. Have fun, RichGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Cross Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My instructor comes from the whole Kuk Sool/Kung Jung Mu Sool background in Korea. He also has told me that he worked with different groups trying to learn different things however he does not want any of his students doing the samething. I think cross training in other arts creates a potential problem for both the master and the student. If the student handles it properly than its great however more often than not it creates problems. The problem comes in the form of the student being presented often time conflicting informtation on how to "be" as a martial artist. Fore instance a TKD person tries to learn KSW/KJMS style....they will be much more stiff and jerky in their movements. Further as they learn the joint lock techniques they seem to more concerned with showing how the techniques can be defeated rather than how to do them properly. My instructors always told me to train hard and the answers come and they were right. My students that have come from other disciplines always have a harder time adapting to my dojang than students that have started with me. I can only guess this is why Kuksanim Suh, In Yuk does not recommend cross training. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:16:13 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Promotion Requirements Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rob asked: >I've been in a recent discussion about what is looked >for in a rank promotion. Now curriculum not >withstanding, would anyone care to comment on what >they think are the top 5 items necessary for a student >to be promoted (again, don't include curriculum)? >Thanks, >Rob Here are some of the non-curriculum items that you can consider to look for during testing: Proper Mental Attitude - this is demonstrated in many different aspects, how loud the Kihap is, how they answer up, do they run to their spot when it is their turn, do they pay attention to and encourage others that are testing or are they talking or starring off into space, etc.... In general, do they look like they are enjoying being there, or are they just going through the motions? Focus - not only where the eyes are looking, but are they following directions and doing what they are supposed to be. Are they following the proper protocol, paying attention to details, etc. Proper Execution - is the technique being demonstrated being done correctly? This is not are they doing the correct technique at the right part of the form, but is what they are doing a good technique? Self Control - Obvious during sparring, but equally as obvious on how they handle things that may not go right (for example, how do they handle themselves when they don't break their boards? Do they stomp around all mad at themselves? How about when they do break their boards? Do they jump up and down all excited, etc. or do they bow-out, thank their board holders, and save the celebration until later?) Respect - for higher ranks, lower ranks, self, judging panel, guests, family, friends? Shown in how they bow, how neat they present themselves, how their uniform looks, etc. These are some items to consider that are "non-curriculum" in that they are not specific to any given rank, or any certain technique. One could argue that the overall curriculum is designed to foster and encourage these very things....... Hope this helps somewhat. In the spirit, Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'DoJang Digest' Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:18:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Laurie: Sparring Etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Laurie... Keep doing what you are doing...ask the questions...ask the seniors for help...spar higher ranks when possible...especially the Black Belts...learn some of the subtleties and learn your weaknesses from sparring the upper ranks... Seniors and Black Belts are there to teach...not isolate themselves from the ranks because of their rank... The etiquette is to not interrupt them when they are talking or busy...bow to them when eye contact is made...ask the question...bow when the answer is giving ...and bow after the instruction is complete... Definitely seek out the information from the senior ranks and Black Belts... IMHO...if they refuse because they feel they are too high of a rank...their rank should be reduced... But should they send you to a lower rank for the answer...don't take this as blowing you off...take it as getting your answer from someone they trust to answer you correctly who may have more time to spend with you... In any case...keep asking for the answers The One and Only Tink 5th Dan Tkd ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cross training To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net re crosstraining, obviously many instructors will not want their students cross training as that is a possible way to lose the student. I suspect this is a primary motivation against training outside the current dojang. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] axe kick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I'm a yellow belt (sorry, I'm a newbie) and I need advice on the axe kick. > when I practice, I always hit the board, can someone help with this? You always hit the board??? Not sure I understand... Are you trying to miss the board? What is the target or target area you are trying to strike? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RKD in MS To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > < with you, it will be greatly appreciated.>> > > I have a rubber knife and two wooden tanto's - will that do? Great, thanks! The tantos would be good. I'd still like to learn naihanchi/chulgi, if we find time. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Freekatncr@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:25:43 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] axe kick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hit the bottom of the board with the top of my foot, The point is to strike the top of the board with your heel. --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] axe kick To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I hit the bottom of the board with the top of my foot, The point is to strike > the top of the board with your heel. There are (at least) two different types of axe kick. In one you bring the leg up directly forward, but you must bend the leg at the knee as you bring it up then extend/stretch the leg at the apex. Then pull the leg/foot down into the target. In another version of an axe kick you keep the leg straighter, but bring the leg up to the side of the target. At the apex you shift the leg/foot so that it is now over the target before pulling the leg back down into the target. It sounds like you are doing the second kick described above, but not bringing up the leg to the side of the target. Either try that -or- keep the leg bent as you bring it up directly in front of the target. Comments from others? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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