Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:28:26 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #386 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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CDT / Homdo / Cross post form ED list re: McDojos (TNTcombatives@aol.com) 2. RE:Crosstraining (Emactkd@aol.com) 3. training in other schools (CKCtaekwon@cs.com) 4. Cross training (bmac2) 5. Re: Dojangs in California, Las Vegas & Colorado (JW) (Robert Martin) 6. Re: cross training (Laurie S.) 7. Feldenkrais Method ? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: TNTcombatives@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:55:11 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] CDT / Homdo / Cross post form ED list re: McDojos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings All, During my last foray to SanJose/Santa Clara for an Ernie Reyes World Martial Arts blackbelt promo-extravaganza-full-of-hotair-demonstration-hype-bordering-on-cult-behavio r-thing, I had the opportunity to watch a demo of CDT. The instructors came out wearing some fairly snazzy black shirts with embroidered CDT logo, black BDU's, and Black Combat Boots. Hey, don't get me wrong...they looked good. Some of the stuff they did was ok...basic HKD/JJ. The unarmed vs. unarmed control stuff is fairly simple, but most of it had the 'defender' turning his back on the attacker to execute a complex motor skill/aiki-type technique. The unarmed vs. armed is where I began to wince. If those instructors are teaching others how to defend against firearms using the methods they demonstrated, there will be some ER and funeral home visits for the CDT folks. I believe all the gun disarms I saw had the defender sweeping themselves and bystanders with the gun muzzle...sometimes more than once. The multi-attacker demo was especially nice. All the attackers waited their turn or waited until the previous attacker had been dealt with, which was very nice of them. Yah, I know they were just doing a demo...but I have seen many demo's that have showcased their wares in real-time and real-contact to demonstrate the real-effectiveness. It reminded me of the type of Aikido Magic techniques that only will work in the dojang. The flyer handed out at the demo features none other than Ernie himself, and some troubleing statements regarding legal justifiable force, and the "CDT is simply the most effective non-deadly, compliance, last resort weapon disarming and family protection system available in the world"...all for a pocket change price of 11-14 hours for $395.00....kinda reminds me of those MA magazine ads that train you to hit 25 times a second and learn from a TGT(Tibetan Gopher Throwing for you uninitiated) master from the boonies. I know that Reyes 'highly suggests/requires' his instructors and BB ranks to become certified in CDT instruction. I am not surprised to read the pyramid type stuff in the link that Ray posted...seems like par for the course in the ERWMA organization. I know some on this list have taken CDT courses...how about some insight to clear up any mis-information? Did you use simunitions guns during scenario situation training? Was there hostile non-compliant behavior from threats mimicking real life attacks? Were you taught what the courts deem justifiable force? Did they highlight any actual court cases/testimony involving CDT? Enquiring minds want to know....jeez, I feel like Bruce! Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:13:57 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Crosstraining Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It would appear that some believe that any instructor that doesn't want you to cross-train is some kind of evil, money-grubbing ogre intent on robbing the por student of his right to be an individual. My experience is that 90%+ of students do not put enough time into one art, let alone crosstrain in others. THe black belt student who trains in class 3-4 times a week that wishes to expand their horizons? Fine. But the intermediate student that doesn't make three classes a week? Exactly what can be gained other than another half-baked effort? Broadening your perspective requires that you have on to start with. Rick Foley --__--__-- Message: 3 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:53:11 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] training in other schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/10/02 1:46:25 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > If I belonged to a Martial Arts school and the leader of that school or > anyone associated with it told me it was forbidden for me to visit other > schools or training venues first I would probably laugh in their face and > then I would probably tell them that they didn't own me and I will go and > do > what I please and then I would dump my affiliation with them. To each his > own but IMHO know one regardless of what MA they teach has the power to > restrict your movement or thought processes and if they try that you better > get away from them because that is not a healthy open learning > environment... sounds more like it hinges on a cult. I believe in loyalty > but not subservience. That should make your huge Red Flags Go Up! > Michael Tomlinson I respectfully disagree. Some schools will send a student over to another to join so they can learn their drills, techniques, etc. We have had this happen to us. so we now do not allow a student to train in a competitors school. Seminars, now that is allowed and encouraged. Gary Pieratt Castroville Karate Club www.askarate.com Success in life is largely the result of habit. Have a Great Day! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:33:35 -0500 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Cross training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to say I have enjoyed reading all of the posts on this matter. My master I am sure knows why I have not responded to it earlier. IMHO... If an instructor or MA association is against their students training in another martial art, they must have something to hide. I personally know of an association that is so fearful of their black belts cross-training they still to this day threaten their black belts that they will be removed from the association and lose their rank if they train in another martial art. Plus, if you are a black belt within this association and you socialize with a black belt who has been through this process, you can also be removed and stripped of rank. This does not sound like true Black Belt qualities to me. My $0.02 on this, find an instructor and school you like and are comfortable with, the art is secondary. I personally feel there are no bad Martial Arts, but there are a few bad "so called" Martial Artists. Kat --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:04:04 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dojangs in California, Las Vegas & Colorado (JW) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mario, I'm most familiar with the ITF dojangs in Colorado. I run a school in the Denver area but have contacts in various parts of the state. Drop me an email and I can see what can be done. Robert Martin > >Hi All, > > > >I'm heading to sunny California later this year from Australia, (taking > >the kids to Disneyland, Las Vegas and possibly Colorado. At this stage > >it would be great to let my kids (Anna 5 & Rick 8 ) experience TKD > >training in another Dojang / country. It would be great for them to see > >differences / comparision in TKD training techniques. > > > >The kids are only young, I truly believe phyically and spirtually > >development should start at a young age, with the right guidance they > >will develop into better people > > > >Anna has only commenced her TKD training in the last few months, whilst > >Rick has been studying martial arts since he was 4. He is a devoted > >student dedicated to the Arts and his training. > > > >Could you please let me know if there are any Dojangs in these area's > >that would allow the kids to train during our brief period we are in the > >United State. > > > >Thanks Very Much > > > >Regards > >Mario --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:48:18 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: cross training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net michael tomlinson wrote: <<<>>> You know guys, this had me thinking. I'm very unhappy where I am, but I am stuck in a contract. I love the KMA's with all my heart. If I could go to TSD again or Hapkido (or better TKD school), I do it in a minute. But, I don't have them (art/dojang) around me. I am going to be a "trader" and do Shotokan. I found a shotokan dojo I like, but it doesn't mean I will "reject" the KMA's. Only the dojang I'm at. Eventhough I'm stuck there cause of a contract, I'm still going to train elsewhere. Only because the Shotokan dojo I found isn't a Mc-Dojang. Where I am now, is in it for the "business" side of it. Some of the training is ok (but I'm paying out the arse for it), but that's because I TRAIN HARD, not because they tell me. If they decide to change their mind while I await the contract to run out, so be it. I'll stay, but I will still train elsewhere. Laurie _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Feldenkrais Method ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anyone familar with Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais' (1904-1984) Feldenkrais Method? Given his background in Judo I'm just curious as to what, if any, application the method may have to martial arts instruction. "The Feldenkrais Method is a form of Somatic Education that uses gentle movement and directed attention to improve movement and enhance human functioning. Through this Method, you can increase your ease and range of motion, improve your flexibility and coordination, and rediscover your innate capacity for graceful, efficient movement." Comments??? 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