Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:54:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #387 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Cute (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Re: stuck in a contract (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 3. non-digestified version of The_Dojang (Ray Terry) 4. Feldenkrais Method (Lee Fisk) 5. Kung Pow (Mac) 6. (no subject) (Hasan Karim) 7. A few questions..... (ericules) 8. Moshe Feldenkrais (Tom Meadows) 9. NK Flags to Be Hoisted at Busan Asian Games (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:05:26 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cute Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles writes: > And as far as rudy's comments, I could almost hear the tone you must > have been thinking when you wrote that. Cute. Hi Charles: I have been called many things, but cute???? I'm far too ugly for that. BTW, I checked my post on this, and I thought that I was quite respectful to you. Apparently you seem to think otherwise. Sorry:) Sincerely, Rudy BTW, everyone heading to good ole MISS, have a great trip and I am sure you will have a wonderful time. I'll be doing our annual challenge course camping weekend, so I'll be missing the fun. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:37:38 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: stuck in a contract Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> hi laurie, some instructors will offer you instruction for free while youre stuck in a contract somewhere else. check around...explain your situation. ask if they do an escape from contract program like these guys do: "Student Rescue Programâ„¢If you are interested in joining us but still have some time left on a program with another school, we will work with you to help you switch without impacting your finances. Depending on the time left on your other program, we will allow you to start attending classes with us free of charge for the remainder of the old program, after which a new membership with us would kick in. All that is required is for you to sign up for a 6-month or 12-month membership and pay the first month up front. The term of your membership would not start until your program at the other school expires, and your next monthly payment to us would not be due until one month after that. Talk to one of the instructors for details on this unique program." we do a similar program at our school. if you'd like to contact me privately, i have some other ideas to help :) take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] non-digestified version of The_Dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FYI, subscribers (you all) may now login to http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang using your email-addr and password and set your preferences to receive The_Dojang as individual emails instead of in digest format. If you do not recall your password, go to the same URL to have it sent to you. Feel free to give it a try. You may always switch back (using the same method) from individual emails to the digest format. The login portion is at the bottom of the page at http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lee Fisk" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:18:34 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Feldenkrais Method Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Ray, There are a lot of references on the web. This one comes from feldenkrais.com. Most of the references for using the method here in Tucson are to Doctors or Rns so it seems to have a medical conotation. One of the references is partially reporduced below (http://www.feldenkrais.com/senseability/1019/11.html). Best regards, Lee Fisk (Tucson, AZ) Applications in Martial Arts Moshe Feldenkrais was a master of Judo; his contributions were recognized throughout the world. He opened the first European school in France in the 1930's. His two books, Judo and Higher Judo: Ground Work, as well as numerous articles, are still highly praised by martial artists. He remained connected with judo training for the rest of his life. On his visits to Japan, many Judo teachers would attend his demonstrations with their students. Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Feldenkrais Method ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anyone familar with Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais' (1904-1984) Feldenkrais Method? Given his background in Judo I'm just curious as to what, if any, application the method may have to martial arts instruction. "The Feldenkrais Method is a form of Somatic Education that uses gentle movement and directed attention to improve movement and enhance human functioning. Through this Method, you can increase your ease and range of motion, improve your flexibility and coordination, and rediscover your innate capacity for graceful, efficient movement." --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Mac" To: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:49:54 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kung Pow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I rented Kung Pow last week - it was hilarious. So stupid it was very funny. He used some Tibetan gophers - didn't throw them but used them as 'chucks' :-) Check it out if you have a chance. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Hasan Karim" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:59:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >If I belonged to a Martial Arts school and the leader of that school or >anyone associated with it told me it was forbidden for me to visit other >schools or training venues first I would probably laugh in their face and >then I would probably tell them that they didn't own me and I will go and >do what I please and then I would dump my affiliation with them. To each >his own but IMHO know one regardless of what MA they teach has the power to >restrict your movement or thought processes and if they try that you better >get away from them because that is not a healthy open learning >environment... sounds more like it hinges on a cult. I believe in loyalty >but not subservience. That should make your huge Red Flags Go Up! > Michael Tomlinson I respectfully disagree. Some schools will send a student over to another to join so they can learn their drills, techniques, etc. We have had this happen to us. so we now do not allow a student to train in a competitors school. Seminars, now that is allowed and encouraged. Gary Pieratt WHy would you forbid any student from a competitor to join? Personally I would teach the way i teach and i wouldn't care what my competitor thinks, or tries to adopt it. What if the student wanted to change schools? Besides, do you allow observers? if so a competitor could just observe- But i guess i just don't understand why you would not allow a student- _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ericules" To: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:13:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] A few questions..... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 1 We have a student that is green belt that seem to like to cross train a lot. He is doing a little BJJ right now outside of hapkido He is a good natural athlete and could be really good at hapkido if he were steady in attendance to our class. However, he often takes long breaks . He started traing around the time that I did, but due to several extended absences he is studying 6th gup technique and I am on 2nd. He lacks good control of his technique and can get a little dangerous at times. I feel like he misses a lot because he doesn't think I can teach him anything. I'm often running class over the last few months, since the Masters job has been interfering with his attendance. I'm certainly no master or even a blackbelt for that matter, but I have been training in hapkido for close to five years and the curriculum for class is set by the Master. I would like him to enjoy class. Mr. Foley, or anyone else for that matter, have you dealt with this before? And what is a good resolution? Am I off base in anyway here? I have the added advantage (or disadvantage, I'm not sure which) of having him as a friend.... 2. Mr. Pieratt How often does this happen? Do you think it is widespread? Does it happen more often near larger cities? We have a somewhat informal class, due to the unfortunate lack of students (only 5 or so steadies). We don't often advertise for students, and sort of take spill over from the TKD folks that run the dojang we use. I'm not worried about that happening here since there are no other hapkido dojangs within 80-100 miles of us. Our master seems to frown on cross-training in lower belts (I haven't had the desire to do it myself) but it seems to me to be for the reasons Mr. Foley states above, rather than for fear of spying. Hapkido seems to me to be too complicated of a martial art for someone to "steal" unless they are relatively skilled at some form already. We often spend our class time warming up, stretching, practicing ki breathing, break-falls and beginner technique. We have quite a few newbies come and go. No one would seem to gain much to take to someone else that isn't already available in a book..... Eric Walker --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Tom Meadows" To: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:03:06 -0700 Organization: Simple Solutions Subject: [The_Dojang] Moshe Feldenkrais Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, Moshe Feldenkrais's current legacy is found predominantly in the physical therapy arena where his methods are considered second to none. His method of physiological study is call "Awareness through movement" . For some reason Awareness through Movement has both a sort of cult status, and a very serious level of acceptance within the physical therapy trade. The cult types study his therapy methods, slide over to study Aikido (because of Moshe's Judo background), and then, using his precepts, come up with a whole bunch of new crap that does no justice to either Feldenkrais or Aikido. Feldenkrais was an Israli Freedom fighter at the turn of the century and wrote his first book on hand to hand combat during that period. In the 1930's he was personally asked by Jigoro Kano to demonstrate his material, some of which later was formally adopted as Kodokan technique. Kano was impressed enough that he send a 6th dan instructor or France to personally teach Feldenkrais Judo, and from that the Judo club of France was founded, which is still in existence today. Feldeknrais wrote a well respected Judo text in the 50's called "Higher Judo" which is his treatise on Judo groundwork. Following this period he adapted his martial concepts to physical threapy and the Awareness through Movement program had its birth. His therapy system is considered one of the finest available today and his instructors seem to think that his martial arts was an outgrowth of his physical therapy studies, when in fact it was the opposite case. I have read his material extensively and have been using it in my own martial arts instruction since 1989. I consider Feldenkrais' methods to be as significant a contribution to the last century as Bruce Lee's, and I recommend his methods to anyone with a serious interest in a study of analytical movement. Tom Meadows --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] NK Flags to Be Hoisted at Busan Asian Games Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net NK Flags to Be Hoisted at Busan Asian Games August 11, 2002 In the five decades since the end of the 1950-53 Korean War, flying North Korean flags has been illegal here, incurring the stigma of communist sympathizer under the anti-communist National Security Law. Next month, however, North Korean flags will be raised in the streets and stadiums of South Koreas second largest city, Busan, along with the flags of 42 Asian countries. Unification Minister Jeong Se-hyun told lawmakers that it is inevitable that North Korean flags will be used at the Busan Asian Games although conservatives raise objections to the presence of a symbol of the nations Cold War foe. In the 2000 Sydney Olympics, South and North Korea used a flag to represent the unified Korean peninsula when they marched together in the opening ceremony. North Korea will take part in the Asian Games as a member of the Olympic Council of Asia (OCA), Jeong told the National Assemblys committee on unification, foreign affairs and trade. In a gesture of goodwill, North Korea said last Sunday that it would send about 350 athletes and officials to participate in 20 events, along with a large contingent of cheerers and performers. Under Clause 48 of the OCA Charter, the councils official flag and all participating countries flags should be hoisted together near and at the venues of sports games during the Asian Games. But the issue has raised questions about the scope of the use of North Korean flags. Will South Koreans be allowed to wave the flags, while cheering North Korean teams in and outside stadiums? Student activists and pro-unification civic groups will likely use the 16-day sports event as a chance to promote unification, which may touch off legal and ideological disputes. My concern is that allowing North Korean flags to be displayed will encourage use of them among students and unification activists, said Rep. Kim Jong-ha of the Grand National Party. In the spirit of the sports event, the government will allow display of North Korean flags during games, while it plans to crack down on the use of them at irrelevant events. It is natural that North Korean flags will be raised along with other participating countries flags in designated places. But waving North Korean flags or raising them in college campuses will be banned in accordance with the law, said a government official, asking to remain anonymous. Officials from the Unification and Justice Ministries and the National Intelligence Service are currently in close consultation over the issue and will soon determine the scope of use for North Korean flags, he said. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest