Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:28:36 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #390 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: CDT Stuff (Morgan James) 2. The Anecdote and the Art (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 3. To Klaas (ABurrese@aol.com) 4. Re: RE: CDT Stuff (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Master Timmerman's Birthday (Emactkd@aol.com) 6. RE>teaching (MW) 7. Master Timmerman (Hapkido Self Defense Center) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Morgan James To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:26:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: CDT Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm glad you enjoyed the CDT Demo part. Quality control issue? I'm afraid I can't speak for all of the other TMIs (Tactical Master Instructors) of CDT. This is only a title. You don't earn the title of "Master" as you do in formal martial arts after years and years of training and sacrifice. CDT is not a martial art. It is a simple non-deadly force system. I can say that when I went through my own TMI course that all of the trainees there were very proficient with CDT by the time that they left. The CDT instructor that taught my particular course is one of Mr. Patire's "right-hand" men and was just awesome with his execution of technique and the ability to teach it to others. If someone half-assed any techniques or did not execute it properly by the end of the course, they did not continue until they did it right and was able to demonstrate that they could teach it right with no problems. CDT does not just certify people to teach their system without any reassurance that they can go back to their own state and teach the techniques effectively and properly. I know there have been instances where I have practiced a particular form or self-defense technique in preparation for a TKD demonstration to where I had it down almost perfectly and felt really good about it. When the time come to execute at the demo, I just lost it. I made mistakes but kept on performing so that it looked like I meant to make that incorrect move as to not let on to the audience on what I have done. Maybe this was the case at the Ernie Reyes thing, who knows. I just know CDT stands behind it's instructors and it's methods of execution and teaching of techniques. I encourage all of you out there in DD land to participate in CDT and experience it for yourself. Take care. James Morgan --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:30:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Anecdote and the Art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "....... I had > a jujitsu > teacher who had a friend who was an AikidoKa. This person was > attacked and he > threw the attacker fairly far and turned his back to walk > away. The attacher > pulled out a gun and killed him......" I don't think I will be holding my breath waiting for a name on this one. The anecdote seems to reek of the sort of unsubstantiated report one gets when a poorly informed observer begins to mix "what-if-s" with a limited understanding of the art. Both Saito Sensei and Shioda Sensei quoted OS Ueyshiba as saying that "Aikido is 90% atemi (striking)" and while the citation is not quite exact, I think the spirit speaks for itself. Though the students in my classes don't officially begin to use pre-emptive strikes until about Brown Belt, the concept is introduced early-on in their practice. And as most people are aware, Hapkido has a considerable catalogue of both striking and kicking techniques. The fact is that most accomplished (Hapkido) practitioners would probably not initiate a defensive maneuver with some exotic throw. Yes, I know. We see it in demo-s all the time, just like we see skip-in Roundhouse Kicks in tournaments. The fact is that a true combat application is different for the very reason that in a demo or tournament one does not have to be concerned with a partner pulling a razor out of their shoe or a 9mm out of the small of their back. Depending on circumstances I might want to keep a person close to me and under my direct authority while on another occasion I might want to throw them farther away from me, or even into an advancing second opponent. This said, I think the anecdote about the Aikidoka being shot is less an authentic report than someone invoking the idea that H2H has a clear weakness where distance and a firearm conspire against a martial artist. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:56:35 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] To Klaas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas, Glad you are having a great time there in Korea! Wish I could have stayed longer. Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: CDT Stuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I'm glad you enjoyed the CDT Demo part. Quality control issue? I'm afraid > I can't speak for all of the other TMIs (Tactical Master Instructors) of > CDT. This is only a title. You don't earn the title of "Master" as you do > in formal martial arts after years and years of training and sacrifice. CDT > is not a martial art. It is a simple non-deadly force system. Sounds like perhaps Certified Instructor would be a better term to use instead of Tactical Master Instructor. > The CDT instructor that taught my particular course is one of Mr. Patire's > "right-hand" men and was just awesome with his execution of technique and > the ability to teach it to others. Can you tell us more about Mr. Patire's martial arts, LEO and/or military background? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:06:51 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Timmerman's Birthday Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ANd let me also add a happy birthday. Everybody should have one, and Rudy deserves one too. Bonne Anniversaire!! Rick Foley --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: 13 Aug 02 09:19:56 -0500 From: MW To: the_dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] RE>teaching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net eric schule wrote: " I believe the point is that one of the things senior/black belts need to learn is how to teach. From my observations, this skill comes easily for some, but is very difficult for others." I agree %1000. There are a lot of people out there who can attain a BB. However, out of that number there are only a few who can actually teach and help others attain the same. Anyone can bark out orders but if I wanted to listen to that I would have joined the armed forces.It takes a special person to be able to take that shy introverted student in class and turn them into a self confident martial artist or take that king kong sized student and show them that sometimes "softer is better" Teaching is truly another art. "There is no fear that courage cannot overcome" michael whalen KSW -------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:26:11 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Birthday young man! Your picture is all over the recent issue of taekwondo times from our stay in Jackson last winter. You are invited to my birthday party which is actually being held on your birthday. We are having a keg, so I hope to see you. :) On my 18th birthday Elvis died and this year will mark the 25th year of that event. :) Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest