Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:07:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #392 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Happy Brithday (bmac2) 2. KSW Curriculum (Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)) 3. RE: CDT Stuff (Morgan James) 4. Re: RE: CDT Stuff (Ray Terry) 5. KSW Curriculum (Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)) 6. RE>CDT ? (MW) 7. Sr. Black Belts verses lower belts teaching. (SSHapkido@aol.com) 8. Electronic Scoring (Farral, Kim) 9. Clarification between M. Hilland and Charles V. (Dunn, Danny J RASA) 10. Re: Electronic scoring (Christopher Spiller) 11. Turning Away (Alagna, Steven M) 12. Keg (Rudy Timmerman) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:17:28 -0500 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy Brithday Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Birthday Master Timmerman from all of us at Braeswood Martial Art Center. I cannot think of a better way for you to spend your birthday then the Black Belt Power Weekend. With you in Spirit! Kat --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)" To: "'DOJANG DIGEST'" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:48:11 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] KSW Curriculum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I understand KSW changed its curriculum a few years back. Can anyone send me or post on dojang digest the old and new KSW curriculum? Andy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Morgan James To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:51:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: CDT Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm not exactly sure why Mr. Patire chose the title "Tactical Master Instructor" for it's instructors. Remember, CDT is NOT a martial art. Some of the CDT TMIs have never had any martial arts experience although I feel that most of them do. When I went through my TMI certification there were 11 of us. 10 were currently involved in martial arts, so I would guess the total % of TMIs are as well. Maybe the name was chosen to give those without any m.a. experience a little pride in thier accomplishment in becoming certified to teach such a system..? I don't know. Anyways, information about Mr. Patire can be found on the CDT website at http://www.cdt-training.com Then click on "Founder" on the left hand side of the screen. Take care. James Morgan --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: CDT Stuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Anyways, information about Mr. Patire can be found on the CDT website at > http://www.cdt-training.com Then click on "Founder" on the left hand side > of the screen. Noticed on the above website. Note all XXL XXXL and XXXXL orders add $4 Not sure I've seen XXXL and XXXXL sizes before... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)" To: "'DOJANG DIGEST'" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:13:50 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] KSW Curriculum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I understand KSW changed its curriculum a few years back. Can anyone send me or post on dojang digest the old and new KSW curriculum? Andy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: 14 Aug 02 10:06:53 -0500 From: MW To: the_dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] RE>CDT ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a few questions about CDT training and any info would be greatly appreciated -are there any requirements to attend class(es) -length of course(s) -class locations -website? also: James Morgan wrote "I know there have been instances where I have practiced a particular form or self-defense technique in preparation for a TKD demonstration to where I had it down almost perfectly and felt really good about it. When the time come to execute at the demo, I just lost it. I made mistakes but kept on performing so that it looked like I meant to make that incorrect move as to not let on to the audience on what I have done. " Haven't we all. If you can't make it,fake it. (Of course that only works in demo's) michael whalen KSW --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:39:33 -0400 From: SSHapkido@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sr. Black Belts verses lower belts teaching. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have not been reading all the posts lately, but I just read one regarding approaching high ranking black belts with questions and then being referred to a lower belt. Certainly even the highest ranking black belts in a school should be teaching, in fact, in many schools that is what their next rank is based on. The question is who should they be spending their time teaching ? Now, I'm not saying that high ranking black belts are above answering a white belts questions or teaching them new techniques. But if all the high ranking black belts are tied up with the lower belts, who will be available to teach the upper ranking colored belts and lower ranking black belts ? I really enjoy the approach at our school. Students are instructed to go to someone two belts above them to ask questions and to get help with learning their required techniques. This gives every rank , from orange on up, the opportunity to practice teaching. If that person can't answer the question, then they should go to the next higher rank, etc. This allow upper ranking black belts to be available to help red belts, etc. who really can't get help from anyone else. Not only is this practical, but it shows respect for the higher ranked colored belts by allowing them to spend time one on one with the black belts. Just my thoughts. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'DoJang Digest' Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Electronic Scoring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A Hogu with sensors could be a possible advancement, but unlike fencing...fists and feet will be making contact as opposed to a single point of contact at the end of a long blade which senses electrical continuity... In addition, the cord necessary to be attached to the fencers as well as the special mat they have to stand on will have some serious drawbacks in the martial arts world...you would have to create new hand signals for time out due to entanglement or broken wire... the size of the required mat would be costly and probably not work accurately if on top of a padded surface such as the standard martial arts mat... The Hogu would have to be calibrated to respond to a measured, minimum required, impact force...which would go out of calibration after a short period of time in use...it would have to be re-calibrated on a regular basis... The force required to activate the sensor would eventually become greater (usually the case) or less than the initial calibrated force to a point where a sensor may require a force (randomly speaking) of 10 times great than the calibrated force or may only require a simple touch to activate... To add to this...the speed at which contact is made in martial arts competition would result in multiple sensors being activated...this can be overcome by utilizing a single sensor which responds to impact on any point of the target area...making a more complex system... A clock would have to be installed to accurately determine sequence of contact and time of contact to reduce conflicts of first contact for point so the point could be awarded to the appropriate competitor... All-in-all...Don't be swept away by technological wonders...they do more to complex a working system than they do to simplify it...there will ALWAYS be conflicts over point scoring and accusations of judges and refs cheating the opponents...it is impossible to eliminate human involvement and thereby impossible to eliminate human error, conflicts, inaccuracies, and prejudices...though they can be greatly reduced with the proper system and the proper controls in place... An Electronic Hogu could be the answer...or...could be the problem... This is not just my opinion...I have been designing and engineering electronic equipment for 27 years... Kim G. Farral 7310 Innovation Blvd P. O. Box 731 Ft. Wayne, Indiana 46801-0731 Ph: (260) 451-5312 Fax: (260) 451-5476 ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:43:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Clarification between M. Hilland and Charles V. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I sent this yesterday while I was catching up on posts over the past week, but it bounced back because I forgot to re-title it. I read through the rest of the posts since I sent it and still didn't think this point came out which may clarify the issue. Master Hilland: I think when Charles V. says Chung Do Kwan he is talking about the Tang (Kong) Soo Do and later Tae Kwon Do kwan founded by Master Lee in Soeul in the early '40's and not Chungdokwan Hapkido. Master Lee by all accounts was a student of Funakoshi in Japan before returning and opening a school in Korea. A lot of the Chung Do Kwan people I am familiar with and use Japanese terms, probably because their founder did. Many also tend to wear flood pants and shorter sleeves. I believe this was discussed a few months ago here. Many of the current members may not even know where or why they do these things. This is the fault of instructors and not necessarily the current practitioners. The Chung Do Kwan schools I am familiar with are very good and very different from wtf taekwondo. This goes back to making sure a person is ready to teach and been involved long enough to understand hsi/her system before they begin teaching. But I have to agree with Master Terry that there are a lot of people with very little or no formal training that are very competent fighters. I know a couple who regularly win full contact matches in my area with no training other than in their garage. However these people may or may not be able to teach and why they or anyone would try to teach a system where they only are a green belt is beyond me. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<> Charles, sorry you missed my point. We will call it a failure and move on. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul PS. I was am from the area of Texas with the American Cosmonauts. :)>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Electronic scoring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>I believe fencing using a "vest" with electronic sensors on it. There is supposed to be a company in Arizona that makes TKD hogus with electronic sensors. Haven't seen them and don't know how well they work; but if it could be worked out and (the biggest if) WTF/USTU and the players would accept them, this could be the greatest thing for Olympic-style sparring since sliced bread and peanut butter. : ) Imagine if there was no possibility of saying, "I wuz robbed by the ref!"<< Fencing actually uses electronic sensors attached to the weapon being used (foil, epee, or sabre). One touch is a point. There are a couple of problem with electronic scoring in Taekwon-Do. If the hogu has sensors in it how would it differentiate between an attack with a legal technique and an illegal one (example: a hit with a kick versus a hit with an elbow)? If scoring is used that has different points for different techniques (example: more points for a flying or spinning kick) how would that be recorded? Taekwon, Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Alagna, Steven M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:48:18 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Turning Away Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy said: >>A similar thing happened to me many years ago, and it was a great learning experience. I had also knocked someone down, and I turned my back to walk away. The little beggar got up and hit me over the back of the head with a rock. When I hit the ground, he stomped me.>> Now days if you stick around and make sure that dude doesn't get up, they'll sue, if they can find out who you are!! How about taking the guy down introducing him to Mr. Pavement (ouch) and then haul buns instead of walking. Of course the adrenaline dump may cause me to do otherwise ;-)) Another good strategy on mult. attackers is look for an escape route and run-down the guy in your way, possibly using your push kick idea. Steve Alagna --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:31:26 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Keg Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere writes: > You are invited to my > birthday party which is actually being held on your birthday. We are having > a keg, so I hope to see you. :) Hello Rick and Jere: Thanks for the birthday wishes. As I get older, birthdays seem less important or wanted. I won't be able to make it to your event, because we do an annual challenge course camping trip on the weekend of my birthday. As we sit around the campfire swappingh lies in the evening (after running the course), we also partake in the Keg thing. I'll make a toast to you, and a belated toast to our friend JR who had his big day a few weeks ago. Have fun my friend, and see you next Spring at JRs seminar. 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