Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:28:44 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #397 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: 8 glasses of water? (Randall Sexton) 2. Re: kukkiwon poom/dan certs (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 3. History of the Chung Do Kwan (Taekwondo) (Kent Frazier) 4. Jhoon Rhee (Kent Frazier) 5. Best Martial Art Supply (Storm) 6. Code of Conduct for US Team (fwd) (Ray Terry) 7. living large in Jackson (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:01:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 8 glasses of water? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Every BODY is different! Just drink enough (water) to keep your urine clear. Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:53:55 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: kukkiwon poom/dan certs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> hi there, unfortunately, there's a lot of that scamming around on the certificates. i dont believe a kukkiwon is necessary to compete, but its best to go straight to the horses mouth. here's some contact info for the ustu: Ms. Guyda Marr, Membership Director email: ustumember@ustu.org Dedra McClay, Dan Certification, Sr. Manager email: dmcclay@ustu.org and of course, the woman who knows just about everything about anything that is ustu tkd: Master Ronda Sweet email: ladytkd@aol.com let us know what you find out :) take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Kent Frazier" To: "The Dojang Digest" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:10:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] History of the Chung Do Kwan (Taekwondo) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Hilland, I am a student of Charlie Veuleman, and I just wanted to clarify a few things. I may very well be misunderstanding your last post, so this may just be repeating something you already know, but bear with me anyway. The Chung Do Kwan was founded by Lee Won Kuk, who studied directly under Funakoshi Gichin (the founder of Shotokan, though I'm sure that you are aware of this.) This is only a single degree of separation between the Chung Do Kwan and the Japanese arts. I believe the Chung Do Kwan originally operated under the name Tang Soo Do until the kwans united as T'ae Soo Do in 1955. The name was eventually changed to T'aekwondo, although it is somewhat unclear when exactly this happened. Chung Do Kwan in the modern day does not exist as a single entity. One of Lee Won Kuk's student, Son Duk Sung, took over as style head. His organization is known as the World Taekwondo Association (the WTA.) My guess would be that his is the closest to Lee Won Kuk's original Chung Do Kwan, although I really don't know. There is also the United States Chung Do Kwan Association, headed by Edward Sell. I am not exactly sure where any of his connection to teh traditional Chung Do Kwan comes in. His website (http://www.uscdka.com/) is less than helpful in getting any answers to these questions, as it is sadly lacking in content of any kind. The final child of the Chung Do Kwan that I am aware of is the group I belong to. Atlee Chittim studied under Rhee Jhoon Goo (Jhoon Rhee) while he was stationed in Korea. Rhee was another student of Lee Won Kuk. When he returned to the United States, Master Chittim sponsored Rhee and brought him to the US. Rhee later moved and left traditional Taekwondo to develop his own fighting method. Master Chittim continued teaching traditional Taekwondo. After Master Chittim's death due to cancer, Dr. David Jordan took his place as style head, a position which he still holds. While I am sure that the style of taekwondo we do is not 100% traditionally Korean, that is to be expected. It is normal for an art to transform itself and evolve when it is brought to a new place. The Okinawans modified what they got from the Chinese, the Japanese modified what they got from the Okinawans, the Koreans modified what they got from the Japanese, and we Americans are going to modify what we got from the Koreans. It is only natural for an art to change to take into account the social environment and physiological differences of its new practitioners. It may not be "traditional," but what IS "traditional?" These arts are constantly evolving, and to prevent the from growing with new practitionaers and new knowledge is to allow them to stagnate. I am not saying that tradition is unimportant, because I believe it is very important. To a certain degree though, an art is always developing its own tradition, some of which may be very different from the tradition of the previous generation. Yes, we do use Japanese terms for most of the material things in the dojo. I also thought this was a bit odd when I first began studying with Sensei Veuleman. Like most traditions, we are not completely sure why we use these specific terms instead of others. If I had to wager a guess, I would say that Lee Won Kuk probably taught using these Japanese terms as well, as they were what he used while studying under Funakoshi Gichin. I do not have any proof of this, it is pure speculation, but it seems the most likely reason. Regardless, our style owes a lot to the Japanese arts, and I consider the use of these terms an effort to pay tribute to them. I apologize if any of this post sounded preachy or high-headed, it was not meant that way. I just wanted to present my perspective on the whole thing. For what it's worth, we do know the Korean terms as well, we just generally use the Japanese ones. Thank you for patience and understanding, Kent Frazier --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Kent Frazier" To: "The Dojang Digest" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:15:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jhoon Rhee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just out of curiousity, does anyone know what the Hangul or at least the proper Romanization of Rhee Jhoon Goo's name is? I have been studying the Korean language and I have never run across anything that would be Romanized 'Jh' or 'Rh.' The 'Jh' makes me want to pronounce his name as if it began with a French J, kind of a 'zh' sound and I have never heard anyone pronounce it any other way. As far as I know though, this is a consonant sound that simply does not exist in Korean. Does anyone have any information about this? Thank you for your assistance, Kent Frazier --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Best Martial Art Supply Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know how to contact Best Martial Art Supply? I can only find a phone number in the on-line yellow pages which gets me a fax machine instead of a real person to answer. The second phone number I found appears to be a dead or non-working number. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Code of Conduct for US Team (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: >From the President's Desk Re: US Team Conduct Over the decades that we have been part of the Taekwondo movement, United States Teams have earned a well-deserved, worldwide reputation for excellent sportsmanship even under sometimes adverse circumstances. Sadly, however, conduct at recent events threaten to undermine this hard-earned image. At the World Cup held in Tokyo last month, two US Team delegates lost their emotional control and made a public display of unacceptable behavior. While I fully recognize the purity of our coaches' intent to support aggrieved US Athletes, their conduct was nonetheless inexcusable. Negative circumstances do not justify bad behavior. As President of the USTU, I wish to make it absolutely clear that I cannot and will not condone poor conduct on the part of anyone representing taekwondo and the United States of America. These coaches have been appropriately sanctioned under the authority of the WTF and must face the full consequences of their actions. We are all human and subject to errors in judgment, especially during the stress of an emotionally-charged situation like an international competition. As martial artists however, we must maintain our composure and deal with both wins and losses in a dignified and professional manner. US Athletes, Coaches and Officials must practice the Tenets of Taekwondo and conduct themselves in strict accordance with them at home and abroad. By following our own good traditions and principles we will earn the respect of the rest of the world and set a proper example for future generations. One of the unique and noble virtues of taekwondo has been its rejection of the wild antics and outrageous behavior that has become part-and-parcel of so many otherwise-great sports. I urge all of us to keep this in mind and to always seek the high road in all of our endeavors. __________________________________________________________________ US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Suite 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] living large in Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Folks... Everyone is having a great time here at the 17th Int'l Hapkido and Korean Martial Arts Seminar (and Grits Festival). To those not here, ya'll are missing a fun time! Looking forward to March already. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest