Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:33:05 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #412 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Hapkido website (WEE Shin Hoe) 2. tkd question (Denis Grafen) 3. Common Injury? (Randall Sexton) 4. Injuries (freddie bishop) 5. While doing some research... (Nathan Miller) 6. Hapkido Logos (Todd Miller) 7. Re: tkd question (Ray Terry) 8. Billing Companies (CALLAHAN) 9. Re: Common Injury? (Creed71963@aol.com) 10. Common Injury (NJWMI@aol.com) 11. Re: tkd question (JW) 12. Re: Billing Companies (JW) 13. Day 2 Team Trials Results (fwd) (Ray Terry) 14. Koreas Swap Lists for Reunions (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "WEE Shin Hoe" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido website Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:38:31 +0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, They don't have the chance. Most are already self-promoted to 9th Dan or according to one adv I've came across, a 13rd dan before IHF, KHF or Kidohae is able to do so....:-P S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my >One also wonders why the IHF or KHF or Daehan Kidohae or KHA or ... would >"NEVER" promote an American to 9th Dan. >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:27:49 +0200 From: "Denis Grafen" To: Organization: Toi-Gye Taekwon-DO Subject: [The_Dojang] tkd question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I´m looking for detailed description of the 1. Ki cho Hyung/poomse 2. A translation of the palgwe poomse into Taekwon-Do terminology in Korean 3. History of Taekwondo greetings Denis Grafen eMail: mailto:denis@dg-tkd.de Web: http://www.dg-tkd.de --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:49:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Common Injury? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Brooke Thomas Way back in 1983, my TKD instructor would stretch the students by putting them in a seated position with their legs spread wide. He would then place his heels on the inside of both of your ankles and spread your legs further. He would hold you in that position for a few minutes, and then increase the stretch. You would then be asked to place both hands in front of you on the floor. The instructor then grabbed your belt knot and pull you forward and the assisting instructor would stand behind you and push you down by placing his hands on your back. I have a permanent lower back injury as a result of several pulled muscles in my lower back. If I do not lay on my stomach I usually don't have a problem. Heavy weight lifting is impossible. I reached the red belt or 5th gup level. The master instructor now lives in Melbourne, FL. I live in Indiana. Fred __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] While doing some research... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Heya Digesters... Was doing some research into the Matsumura Orthodox Shorin Ryu Karate system to find out who the current head is, and ran across a page I thought might interest people... to say the least. The official homepage of Clandestine Black Dragon Kenpo Karatejutsu! www.chiduce.swsites.net >From the instructors bio... "In March of 1999 I began training in Dragon Kenpo under Master Ed. Hutchison... In Feb. 2000 I recieved my Shodan [1st degree black -NM] in Dragon Kenpo... In May 2001 I received my 4th Dan/ Yondan in Kenpo Karate..." I'm impressed. I know the test Charlie went through for 1st to 2nd degree after 3 years was hard enough... going from 1st to 4th in one year must have been killer. :) Also got to see some good kickboxing matches yesterday at a local WTF school. Interesting stuff. Even got to see a title match, for the US championship... though I imagine it was for some very small association. The towel got thrown in after about a minute of fighting in that one - by the champ. Very disappointing. Give me a call at the school, Charlie - I know you're dying to find out all about it. :) Nathan --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:01:58 -0400 From: Todd Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Logos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The original emblem of Hapkido was the opposing arrow heads. This was the first symbol of Doju Nim Choi, Yong Sool's Hapkido. I think Hapkido has some of the best logos in all the Martial Arts. Some of my favorite are the Jungki Kwans logo, The Eagle/globe, and there are many others that are great as well. Hapki Todd Miller --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] tkd question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 1. Ki cho Hyung/poomse Check the link to Master Mac's forms page. It may be there. It is linked to off http://martialartsresource.com > 2. A translation of the palgwe poomse into Taekwon-Do terminology in > Korean Not sure what you need. The word Palgwe written in Hangul? > 3. History of Taekwondo Check the links off http://martialartsresource.com Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:26:19 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: CALLAHAN Subject: [The_Dojang] Billing Companies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have some questions regarding billing companies for those of you that operate your own schools. Do you use a billing company? Why or why not? Does your billing company offer more products and services than just billing? If so, what are they? Why did you choose to use a billing company? Why did you choose this particular company? Would you recommend the use of a billing company to someone else? Why or why not? I currently run a small school that keeps 60 - 70 active students, and I want to try to grow. But, I'm not sure if these billing companies are the way to go. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:10:43 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Common Injury? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 08/25/2002 5:04:38 AM EST, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:43:13 -0700 From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Common Injury? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a question for those of you that have been in the striking arts for some time. Last Sunday I was formally pre-testing for my blackbelt exam (our school has several 6A-1P pre-tests prior to the open-to-the-public formal show). After six hours of strenueous activity (running, all kicks, rolls, massive amounts of pushs-ups, etc.), it was time to spar our instructors. The theory here is that 'let's see what you have left after you have nothing left to give.' I understand why that is important because you never know when or how tired you may be when fighting for your life. In fighting the first instructor (24 yr old 2nd degree), I was surprised by how hard and fast he came out. He was also wearing the thinner finger-cut-out sparing gloves that look like weightlifting gloves that don't offer a lot of padding to the opponent. I took two solid over-hand rights to my left cheek-bone, the second one ended the sparing. Let me first state that I have always been one to enjoy contact...from sparing to grappling I have sought it out (through private lessons) when I thought we were doing too many forms. I am 42 yrs young, 6'5" and 230 lbs and can usually handle myself very well but hey, I was pretty tired. After the test, I thought the pain would start to subside, and it did (with a nice shiner too). The left side of my face became numb and the next day the numbness spread a little further from below my left eye to my left front lip and my left teeth. I went to see my Doctor who ordered an immediate CAT Scan where he determined I had a fractured Left Occipital Lobe with nerve damage resulting in Facial Anesthesia. He also said I may need surgery to install a plate and screws but he would make that evaluation in another two weeks to see if my eye started irregular movement. He also stated that if the nerve that desends from the Occipital Lobe down the face which feeds the left side of my face had becomed severed, it results in permenant numbness for life. My Doctor told me to take up swimming. It is now 5 days from the test and my numb face and I are writing this to the digest. First of all, have any of you taken a similar injury? How did you cope, what was the heal time, did you eventually return to training? If you did, did you wear custom head-gear from then on? How has that injury changed you? If you returned to training but opted never to spar again, how did that feel? Secondly, how common is this type injury in the studio? Have you ever seen this happen? Am I alone in the boat?>> I am more disturbed that your opponent did not have enough control to keep from injuring you that severely. There is NO REASON for a higher belt to injure a lower belt in the normal course of class, especially a 2nd Dan against a color belt. When I was attending class on a regular basis, I would spar the Headmaster of the system on a regular basis. At no time in our 100+ sparring sessions did he hit me with any blow hard enough to cause even a mild bruise. Yet, I know that if he had wanted to, he could have broken ever bone in my body with me laying a finger on him. He used the sparing as a way to practice his control, his movement and his speed. The key is that he NEVER LOST CONTROL. I understand that people will get injured -- after all, this is a contact activity. But part of being a Black belt is know what is needed to win a fight, to demonstrate a technique, or to teach by example. Among the things a Dan-ranked martial artist must have is control -- that is one of the things that separates them from a streetfighting thug. Anyone who allows students to be injured in such a manner as you described will not stay in business for long. Yes, you were tired, and that would have contributed to the problem. Yet, it is the 2nd dan's responsibility to make sure his strikes are strong enough to let the student know that he's been hit, but not to the point of physical damage. I hope you do recover, but I have to question your school's way of doing things..... Craig (1st Gup -- Han Guk Mu Sool) --__--__-- Message: 10 From: NJWMI@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:31:08 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Common Injury Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brooke, I don't know about being a common injury but it sounds like this instructor has an ego problem and is very irresponsible or your school has a dangerous policy. Why would any instructor attack a student like that, especially after a very exhausting workout. Most of the senior instructors that I have sparred, (with and without gear,) never would strike with the intention of harm. Most would control punch or kick as not to cause serious injury. Although I have sparred all out with my senior instructors, there were times when either of us could have caused harm to each other. The sparring we did was for each others advancement, ie: proper blocking and counter attack or escape, reading opponents stratagy,etc. You don't need to be beaten or abused to learn how to react in a situation, have you ever been taught or practised visualization? I have repsoned as such since I have been in the same situation, and have seen instructors and Masters sparring hard with students as well as children in various schools and styles. I know there is a fine line to this but your injury may very well be permenant. If your Dr. says no more sparring, I hope you take his advise. Adrian --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:54:10 -0700 From: JW To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] tkd question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A good print source for the Kicho forms is Richard Chun's "Beginning Moo Duk Kwan Tae Kwon Do", published by Ohara Press, it give Kicho's 1 -3. I have also seen them is some of the older Tang Soo Do books. The Palgye Poomse are also featured in Richard Chun's books. The first three are in the aforementioned Beginning book the others in his second volume of the same series. Best of luck -- Joel S. Weissler --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:10:32 -0700 From: JW To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Billing Companies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Billing companies can be a blessing under the right circumstances and terrible parasites under others. On the simple straight forward side, if all the company is doing is billing - then it takes away a time consuming chore. All you need to be certain of is that when they process payments and late payments, you are able to intervene to avoid negative credit reporting against good customers having a short term problem. On a more involved level, many 'billing companies' are really factoring companies. You get paid for student contracts up front at a discount. The discount can be small or substantial. The purchase of the contracts can be either recourse or non-recourse (which means either you are off the hook if the customer fails to pay or you are liable if the customer defaults) . Recourse factoring usually requires that a reserve for default to be left with the factoring company. Its great for accelerating cash flow while you are growing, but may represent selling the future for dollars today. Non- recourse contract sales are very helpful in a location with turnover - like a health club - a customer pays for the contract term without regard to whether they come to class. Some say it reduces drop out - I'm not so sure whether it does or doesn't do so. The advantage is that the drop outs subsidize your dedicated students. This presents a mixed moral issue. Compare the terms of the companies available to you carefully to select the best one. Remember that if you have already been paid for the classes, you must continue teaching or otherwise provide the student with instruction. I am happy to speak further on this topic off of list - feel free to call me directly. I have dealt with Billing/Factoring issues for a half dozen martial arts schools - specific circumstances lead to specific decisions. Best of luck -- Joel S. Weissler --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Day 2 Team Trials Results (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From the USTU. _________________________________________________________________ Team Trials are now over! Today Results: Male Fly: 1) Tim Thackrey 2) Chris Martinez 3) Brian Gallagher 4) Herriott Oliver Female Fly (only three in division): 1) Elisha Voren 2) Mandy Meloon 3) Danielle Pelham Male Feather 1) Jason Han 2) Mark Lopez 3) David Bartlett 4) Daishun McMurray Female Feather: 1) Diana Lopez 2) Stephanie Beckel 3) Jaime Houston 4) Veronica Valenciana Male Welter: 1) Josh Coleman 2) John Kim 3) Aaron Farrow 4) Salim Oden Female Welter: 1) Simona Hradil 2) Charity McClay 3) Stephanie Mackay 4) Teri Kim Male Heavy: 1) Stewart Gill 2) Steven Ostrander 3) William Smith 4) Michael Tang Female Heavy: 1) Heidi Gilbert 2) Jamie Hamilton 3) Edith Pfister 4) Brenda Beardall US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Koreas Swap Lists for Reunions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Two Koreas Swap Lists for Family Reunions August 26, 2002 South and North Korea on Saturday exchanged the lists of candidates for cross-border reunions next month of family members separated since the 1950-53 Korean War, according to the South Korean National Red Cross (KNRC). The exchange of lists, which took place at the border village of Panmunjeom, set the scene for the fifth round of family reunions at the North's scenic mountain resort on the east coast before the Sept. 21 Chuseok holiday, the Korean version of Thanksgiving Day. Red Cross societies from both sides are scheduled to hold the fourth round of talks at Mt. Geumgang Sept. 4-6, when they will exchange the final lists and discuss the establishment of a permanent meeting place for separated families. The five-member South Korean delegation will be headed by Suh Young-hoon, president of the KNRC. South Korea conveyed a list of 200 candidates, mostly over the age of 70, while North Korea delivered a list of only 120 aging candidates, whose whereabouts had been confirmed in previous rounds of family reunions, according to KNRC officials. Among the 120 North Koreans, 47 were in their 60s, 69 in their 70s and four in their 80s. The oldest North Korean candidate was 82-year-old Ri Kyu-yom, who wants to briefly reunite with his two South Korean daughters, who are in their 50s. Of the 200 South Koreans, 31 were in their 60s, 89 in their 70s and 80 in their 80s. The KNRC will track down the whereabouts of the relatives the North Korean candidates have not seen since the Korean War. The list will ultimately be whittled down and only 100 people from each side will be allowed to meet their long-lost family members at Mt. Geumgang before Sept. 21. During the exchange of lists, South Korea's Red Cross proposed to hold the new round of family reunions Sept. 13-18, but the North said that the issue should be handled during the Red Cross talks, as agreed upon in the ministerial talks. "But North Korea does not oppose holding the family reunions before the Sept. 21 Chuseok holiday as earlier agreed," a KNRC official said. The two Koreas have held four rounds of family reunions since their leaders met for the first time in Pyongyang two years ago. The last reunions were held on Mt. Geumgang in May when 100 people were briefly reunited with their relatives. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest