Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:16:06 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #417 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: GM Myung Stuff (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 2. re: Decline situps using human "plank" (Julie Meyer) 3. Moja Kwan Moo Do Camp (Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do) 4. round as shape (rich hodder) 5. Decline situps using human "plank" (Randall Sexton) 6. RE: Sword Stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 7. Gathering 2002 (J T) 8. Conditioning from the Middle Ages stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 9. Dear Members of the ITF Community (Ray Terry) 10. another letter to the ITF community (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: GM Myung Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the interesting information regarding GM Myung. By the way, sorry if I forgot to sign my post but my name is Ali...Again, thanks for the insight... Sun Mu Kwan-USA www.ushankido.org --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Julie Meyer" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: re: [The_Dojang] Decline situps using human "plank" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:31:06 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >However,instead of using a decline board, the "plank" is your partner >who >is leaning at a 45 degree angle to the wall, hanging onto a >sidebar (bar >attached to the wall similar to what you would see in a >dance studio). The >person doing the situps drapes his/her legs over >the shoulders of the >plank person and hooks them around the person's >arms. You are back to back >with your partner as you do the situps. >I am considering getting an opinion from a chiropractor but >also would like to hear from the experts on this list. Thanks! Ma'am -- I am certainly no expert, but I do have a few thoughts about your situation regarding using a human "plank" for sit-ups. I would suggest that you thoroughly investigate this before being the "plank." I am not a Chiropractor yet (I am in my second year of school), but I have learned quite a bit about the musculature of the back in relation to scoliosis. If the scoliosis is severe enough to cause any other skeletal abnormalities, ie. scapular compensation or shoulder joint changes, I would suggest that you decline to be a plank. The weight of someone hooking their heels under your arms and using you to bear their entire body weight could cause some serious damage to your spine, shoulders, or scapulae. Additionally, I would also be concerned about the back-to-back position as you have described it. If I am picturing this correctly, I am seeing that both partners will have their spines being pressed together during the exercise. It is not advisable to have your spinous processes compressed in this fashion. The areas of most concern at this point will be the "fulcrum" areas where you do the sit-up. This could cause some damage to both partners, but especially the person bearing the weight. Also, is the "plank" person standing and leaning at a 45 degree angle, or is he/she kneeling. If standing, the added weight can cause serious stress on the L5/S1 joint. (There would be added pressure either standing or kneeling, but obviously standing would create more tension at the joint space) I personally have an old (slight) fracture of this area that was not identified until a year ago. These fractures can go unnoticed for a lifetime unless the joint is put under additional stress to cause further damage to the area. Again, I would be cautious. I am pleased to see that you are seeking advise from a Chiropractor! It makes me very happy. Good luck to you.. Julie Meyer 6th Gup Nebraska Hapkido Association _______________________________________________ Do what you can In the life that you live For what you believe in. --F.H.Barge, D.C., Ph.C _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do" To: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:57:54 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moja Kwan Moo Do Camp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear List, This is another shameless plug for the second anual Moja Kwan Moo Do Camp, Saturday September 28th in Canton, Georgia. You can register online at www.geocities.com/mojakwan/events or email me and I will snail mail you a paper flyer (early registration ends 9/1/02) Confirmed Instructors Host - Master Instructor Charles Richards, (TSD forms and whatever else I'm in the mood for) Guest - Master Rich Hodder (escrima, TKD forms and whatever else he wants to do) Guest - Master Ray Terry (RKD Knife and whatever else he wants to do) In general this is a day long seminar geared towards Kick/Punch folks TSD/TKD/SBD/MDK/CDK you get the idea. Now all I have to do is figure out where in the Atlanta Metro area I want to take Master Hodder and Master Terry for dinner and adult beverages :-) Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.geocities.com/mojakwan --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:31:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] round as shape Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net with regards to Wayne Watkins, Jere, have you been eating lately????? 165#????? my heavens. I thought all you Hap-ski-der types were more bulky than that 8^) having fun at 140# (snicker-snicker) RichGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:36:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Decline situps using human "plank" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >We have recently modified our Hapkido warmup to include decline situps (where the start position has your head lower than your feet). However, instead of using a decline board, the "plank" is your partner who is leaning at a 45 degree angle to the wall, hanging onto a sidebar (bar attached to the wall similar to what you would see in a dance studio). The person doing the situps drapes his/her legs over the shoulders of the plank person and hooks them around the person's arms. You are back to back with your partner as you do the situps.< I don't think it's too great. For one it's too complex. That increases the chances of injury. There are too many variables re body shapes of each partner so there may not be a "perfect fit" of each body, again increasing the risk of injury. Sounds like there is a big risk of back injury to the person doing this extreme sit-up. Looks like there may be a chance of shoulder/arm injury to the "board" person. Sometimes those of us in the MAs put too much focus on a six pack of abs. Good trunk muscles are very beneficial, however, many of these hard type ab exercises bring the pelvis and spine out of natural alignment, setting you up for problems. Too hard work on the abs also pull the rib cage down as the abd muscles shorten. If you work those abs, got to follow up with back work. Moderation in all things! Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:19:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Sword Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeremy: ".....Do you still go to the main school in Chicago for your kumdo? ....." Yep. Its been particularly hard to stick to a schedule this year with all the family things go on. Two weddings, a birth, one custody battle and two nursing homes later and I think I am seeing a light at the end of the tunnel (or is that another Super Chief headed my way?). September offers a new page turned and the goal is to get back to 3 times a week with GM Koo. Maybe we will get a chance to cut some targets together, yes? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 05:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Gathering 2002 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I did see that it was someone from my other list who mentioned that he heard they were going to try and fly GM Seo out for the Gathering. I jumped the gun in my excitement...sorry. However, I look forward to seeing GM Cyrus as I have been to several of his seminars at the Hapkido Academy in Downers Grove as well as GM DeAlba, who I have also had a pleasure of seeing at the Hapkido Academy. Outside of my son's b-day that month it is the most excitement I am looking forward to. I hope to see others from this list there as well. Cyrus Kwanjangnim, Do you know of other instructors who will be attending the seminar? Thanks for the information. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:45:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Conditioning from the Middle Ages stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Arlene: "......Does anyone else do this as part of their warmup? I haven't tried it yet but I have some concerns for the safety of my lower back and shoulders if I am in the bottom position. ....." Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you sign-up to learn TaeKwonDo? Maybe someone can tell me just what all these exotic exercises are suppose do with learning TKD. Is this another rite of passage like the last guy who commented about having his face broken by an instructor? Maybe this is another one of those "real-men-can-take-it-pussies-wimp-out" kinds of things. Or is this another case of some mindless jock figuring that "it was good enough for me so its good enough for you". I remember a some months back as PILATES was just coming into public awareness but I don't remember seeing anything about TKD incorporating that into their conditioning routine. Yoga and aerobic kicking drills would probably help not only with conditioning but range of motion as well. Can you spell "plyometrics"? Give it a shot and tell the meatbag running your class to drop the drill instructor routine and get over himself. There have been a lot of great advances in conditioning and a lot of the old crap has been de-bunked in the literature for those among us who can read and write. I'll be the first to agree that the body needs to have some conditioning to deal with the new stresses and strains of any sport, but I don't have a lot of patience for abusive behavior. If you were concerned enough to write a Network full of strangers rather than approach your instructor that should tell you something right there. Be good to yourself and grow at your own speed and comfort level. A good instructor will ask no more than that. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Dear Members of the ITF Community Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: August 23, 2002 >From Master Mario Troiano An open letter to the Taekwon-Do Community Dear Members of the ITF Community, To start with, I would like to express and share my sadness for the loss of the Father of TaeKwon-Do, General Choi Hong Hi. These are tough times, when we find ourselves facing the most painful yet unavoidable situation, which we all knew would take place one day. General Choi Hong Hi is now gone, but he still lives in so many memories and feelings that are deeply kept in our hearts. We have been loyal to General Choi himself and to his creation. We also followed him because he stressed that he wanted the ITF to be a special kind of organization. A non-political organization that would always be respectful for every country's natives. This unconditional support to the General's ITF has even implied a risk to our jobs and our lives at different moments and certain circumstances. We are proud of our past actions, because we have always believed that the objectives were valid. The purpose was not only to spread TaeKwon-Do worldwide but to develop a real International Federation. Nevertheless, life must go on and now is time to keep the TaeKwon-Do legacy alive. >From this moment onwards, we all have the duty to start working on the development of a more professional and non-political international federation. We know of a group of people who are trying to establish an organization parallel to the ITF, with the intention of taking it to North Korea. I respect the cultural roots of TaeKwon-Do and I cannot forget that its creator was born there. However, we must remember that TaeKwon-Do was introduced in North Korea during the eighties, many years after the introduction of TaeKwon-Do in most countries in the world. By that time, many of us were already teaching TaeKwon-Do. The world we live in is globalized, affecting the everyday life of each and every one of us, thus turning globalization into one of the biggest challenges humanity has ever faced. Therefore, strong leadership and the development of a professional organization are needed in order to achieve our goals and objectives. Let us be a part of the ITF under the leadership of Master Choi Jung Hwa, who besides being the son of the founder is the only leader elected in a legitimate Congress (Rimini, Italy). Master Choi Jung Hwa is certainly the right person to carry TaeKwon-Do onto the new century. Yours in TaeKwon-Do, Master Mario Troiano VII Degree President, Argentina Taekwon-do Organization --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] another letter to the ITF community Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: Letter from our President, Mr. Russell MacLellan August 25, 2002 Dear Presidents of NGB, Grandmasters, masters, instructors and members, The recent actions of Mr. Chang Ung and other representatives from North Korea make it impossible for me to attend the Memorial Service for our late President and Founder, Gen. Choi Hong Hi, scheduled for Pyongyang, North Korea on September 22, 2002. The International Taekwon-Do Federation(ITF) deeply respects the wishes of Gen. Choi in his statement made shortly before his death. His declared wish in that statement, to name Mr. Chang Ung as President, is however not possible under the Constitution of the ITF. The next President must be elected at the Congress of the ITF. I have no objection to Mr. Chang Ung being the next president of the ITF, provided, he is duly elected to the position. Mr. Chang Ung, presumably, can represent the Korean Taekwon-Do Committee of North Korea, but he is not authorised to represent the ITF. Mr. Chang Ung's claim in recent meetings with Mr. Un Yong Kim and the South Korean officials that he represents the ITF is illegal and dishonours the ITF. This matter is very disturbing to me because North Korea is a valued country of the ITF and I have a great deal of respect for the North Korean people. It is also of great value to the ITF that North Korea is the birthplace of Gen. Choi as well as his final resting place. However, for me to attend the Memorial Service would indicate to the ITF that its president had no respect for the organization's democratic preocess. It is also very important for me to suggest that those members of the ITF who go to the Memorial Service, paid by North Korea, are saying that it is not wrong for Mr. Chang Ung and other officials to act towards the ITF the way that they have. There will be an official delegation representing the ITF, going to the Memorial Service. This delegation will include Grand Master Park Jong Soo, Grand Master Rhee Ki Ha, Master Tom MacCallum, Master Leong Wai Meng and Master Phap Ken Lu. I sincerely wish to apologize to Mrs. Choi and the family of Gen. Choi for making the Memorial Service for our much loved and respected Founder more than the tribute which he deserves. I wish to assure them that I and others in the ITF who will not be going because of this situation, are thinking of you and will always carry Gen. Choi in our hearts. Further, Memorial Services are also planned for the America and Intercontinental Games in Quebec city in October, Europe on 9th. November in Vienna and the World Junior Championships in Puerto Rico in December. Yours in Taekwon-Do President of the ITF Russell MacLellan --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest