Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:21:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #427 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Interesting Dilema (FirstPe315@aol.com) 2. Re: Moo Duk Kwan / Other Kwan (San Diego) (JW) 3. RE: Schooling Approaches (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 4. RE: In search of Tapes (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 5. RE: YMCA Kwon?? (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 6. GM Pak & Kongshinbup (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 7. KI/Breathing Books (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 8. (no subject) (wild horse) 9. Re: (no subject) (Ray Terry) 10. (no subject) (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 11. RE: (no subject) (Wallace, John) 12. Teaching large classes Hapkido (Patrick L) 13. Sin Moo Hapkido (Tracy Rhonda Bodnarchuk) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:30:32 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Interesting Dilema Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all- Perhaps somebody else's experience could help me here. Had 4 new students confront me the other day to purchase uniforms (they are all in one family). The 2 females (mother & daughter) had been wearing jean/skirt things for the past couple of evenings. They asked if they could modify their bottoms to incorporate the same design as it was a religious custom. Well, my first thought was no problem, I certainly wanted to be respectful and I didn't see any disrespect per se. Then, I started thinking about it and felt uncomfortable (maybe for no reason) and I decided to ask them to additionally purchase Hakama's which would solve both problems nicely. The only problem is my guilt. These, 4 students including uniforms and $100 worth of Hakama totals roughly $600. The business-side of me says, well that's just the way it is, can't bend over backwards for everybody. The nice guy in me says, "have some mercy for their pocketbook". Anyway, not sure what to do exactly. Anybody else had similar experiences? If you have, I would be indebted to know how you handled it. Thx, Jeff --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:57:43 -0700 From: JW To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Moo Duk Kwan / Other Kwan (San Diego) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, how did you know GM Baek ? I had the honor of studying with him, getting to know him and being his and his family's attorney. Best Wishes, Joel S. Weissler > >Joel, > >are you by any chance talking about Moon Gu Baek? > >Best Wishes, > >Chaney Hardman >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:40:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Schooling Approaches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Joel: "...... That is why I was interested in your HKD training journals and have investigated Fariborz Azhakh's teaching system. I would be very interested to hear from any Hapkido practitioner and instructors who practice in a large school setting. How are classes run ? What is the structure for the curriculum ? Is rank advancement based on skill set evaluation or on hours of participation ?....." Coincidentally, this is exactly why I was asking after the teaching approaches of the teachers you mentioned. I am coming to believe that there is a certain mix of teaching approach and material which seems to fit certain populations and I am not so sure that a successful mix can always be predicted. Various cultures, demographics and employment situations groom us to expect, endure or reject certain approaches while accepting others. In the college classes that I teach the material is very cut-and-dried. By this I mean that I teach a specific level of performances to a class of approximately the same level of skill within the same 13 week time frame each semester. Though I limit the class size to 20 or less I suspect I could teach a much larger group, given a larger teaching area because of the "lock-step" approach. My private classes are very different. Each private class (I use the term "cell") has anywhere from one to 10 students and in any given cell the same individuals may show-up (or not) depending on whats going on for them in their lives at the time. This means that each teaching experience must be tailored to the various skill levels and learning experience of the individuals present at that particular time. Generally, the overall experience of the cell is within a certain range so that helps, but it is still up to me to make sure that I am constantly raising the bar with each individual. Noone wants to come to class after months of training and find they are still going over the same basic techniques as when they started just because they are tied to a particular class. BTW: I use an approach in which the 2 hour class is divided into quarters in which the first 30 minutes is warmup and lecture, the second is dedicated to striking and kicking techniques, and of the last two quarters, essentially one is dedicated to older material and the last is dedicated to introducing newer material. It also helps that I have long since stepped away from the general "off-the-street" acceptance of students. The commercial approach to MA seems to instill in many people the idea that once they pay their money they can pretty much deport themselves about anyway they want. Not having to depend on my students tuition to keep the lights on puts me in a position to accept only those students who come well recommended by folks I know and demonstrate the sort of attitude and commitment towards learning I am looking for. As far as advancement, I find that most of the college students are pre-occupied with how to earn rank, while most of my private students are very indifferent to or cavalier about such things. This is a bit ironic as the private students are with me long enough to accrue the requisite mat hours to qualify for testing and advancement, while the college students (with rare exceptions) usually don't stay around longer than a semester or so before moving on to something else. Human nature strikes again! Thats about it for me, Joel, but like you I would be very interested to hear how other folks organize their approaches and why. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:56:17 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: In search of Tapes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Alan: "......Anyone out there know where I can order the best training tape or tapes for the following kata's. I need the tapes ASAP by Federal Express. 1.Sochin 2. Gojushiho-Sho 3. Gojushiho-Dai......" When you say "best" are you speaking of the BEST KARATE series of kata or the "best" tape for learning the kata (IE. a tape which seems to offer the best approach for learning). BEST KARATE is pretty much limited to those kata advocated by OS Funakoshi and the JKA, I think, so I don't imagine you will find them putting out materials for these kata unless they are known by another name (perhaps USEISHI for GOJUSHIHO?). My guess is that if anyone is going to know where to find these tapes it will be the people at DRAGON TIMES out of Thousand Oaks, Calif (1-800-717-6288; fax 818-8893856). Sorry I couldn't be more help. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:04:22 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: YMCA Kwon?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....Many? I know of one, the founder of YMCA Kwon Bop, Byung In Yoon. Who were the others?...." Wasn't the person who originated Yon Mu Kwan TKD killed on some sort of secret mission, or is he listed as MIA? Sorry I don't recall his name. BTW: I keep seeing references to "YMCA" TKD and wonder where this title is coming from. Are these folks who descend from those individuals who originally trained in Karate at the YMCA in Tokyo during the Occupation and WW II (SEE Eric Madis)? Or is this a label to identify folks who somehow related to the YMCA at a later date? Anyone? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:19:18 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Pak & Kongshinbup Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy wrote: > Dr. Burdick writes: Please! Just Dakin! > From what I know now, I gather that someone likened Kuk Sool to KSB. If so, > I believe that is probably because GM Pak and GM Suh (and a number of other > Masters) worked together as Kuk Sool was created. Yes, I'm just curious where they got that information. It is definitely NOT common knowledge, and if the source was Korea, then there might be a connection in Korea that we need to chase down! > Since Dakin also trained with GM Pak, Nope. I trained with Will Widmeyer, who was GM Pak's last student. I never had to train with GM Pak myself, which I think was probably a good thing, knowing the kinds of training that GM Pak put his students through. I'd rather learn from someone who went through all of that than do it myself. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: "Dojang Digest (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:41 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] KI/Breathing Books Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations for books on ki and breathing techniques? I am interested in expanding my knowledge in this area. I am also interested in the benefits of Ki breathing on the body and mind. I am also interested in hearing what benefits any of you have experience and attribute to Ki breathing techniques. Thanks, Brian Woodard ??????? [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Glacier Bkgrd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "wild horse" To: "dojang digest" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:55:32 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rich, i'm from the uk too! havn't yet come across anyone else yet. i practice ITF TKD but i'm only a yellow belt, i train under master Tony Slaney, you may have heard of him. What art do you practice and what grade are you at? To everyone, i'm confused as to what kwans are? can anyone enlighten me please? its interesting stuff any how. Thanks in advance. Wendy.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] (no subject) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To everyone, i'm confused as to what kwans are? can anyone enlighten me > please? its interesting stuff any how. Thanks in advance. The five original Korean Kwans were the five original Korean MA schools founded after freedom from Japan (WW II). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: "Dojang Digest (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:42:45 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone read The Ki Process: Korean Secrets for Cultivating Dynamic Energy by Scott Shaw? If so care to give a review?? Email me privately if you wish. Thanks, Brian Woodard ??????? --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:55:14 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Actually, please post publicly. I'm sure this is a topic of broad interest. -----Original Message----- From: Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8) [mailto:Brian.Woodard@us.bosch.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:43 PM To: Dojang Digest (E-mail) Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Has anyone read The Ki Process: Korean Secrets for Cultivating Dynamic Energy by Scott Shaw? If so care to give a review?? Email me privately if you wish. Thanks, Brian Woodard ??????? _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:27:21 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching large classes Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Weissler, I don't know what you consider large, but a typical Hapkido class can run from 10 to 20 students at my school. We stretch, kick, technique in 45 to 55 minutes. Each belt can have between 24 to 60 technique to perform. Rank advancement is based on tested acheivement of sufficiency of next belt requirements. Minimum timeframes of study are loose in the beginning, with stricter enforcement at higher levels, in addition to sufficiency of skill. Getting in the WAY, Patrick >I would be very interested to hear from any Hapkido practitioner and instructors who practice in a large school setting. How are classes run ? What is the structure for the curriculum ? Is rank advancement based on skill set evaluation or on hours of participation ? I look forward to reading all of your replies. Respectfully yours, Joel S. Weissler< _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Tracy Rhonda Bodnarchuk" To: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:24:18 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is my first post, I hope I don't screw it up. I have seen Jin Pal Hapkido from a friend in Saskatoon SK., Jung Mu Do Hapkido from Master Yun in Calgary AB., Sung Moo kwan( I hope that's correct ) Hapkido from Master Mike Forester in Prince George BC.. Overall I still like Sin Moo for its low kicks and simple ability to combine any technique to flow into other techniques with little or no effort. The way Doju Nim Ji, Han Jae has compiled these techniques made it very easy for me to understand once I had the basic first eight. I've had 1 Sin Moo instructor, Master Mike Jacques, for the past 7yrs and a weekend seminar with Master Freda Yung which was definitly a great experince. I would like to see some different views and aproaches to different techniques. I did train with another style of Hapkido for 3yrs and just about recieved my 1st Dan but then restarted in Sin Moo and 5yrs later recieved my 1st Dan in Sin Moo. Does anyone out there know of any Masters of Sin Moo Hapkido in the north Western US. I am from Edmonton AB. Canada an I would like to contact schools from Washinton, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota as they are within my travelling distances. Also If anyone knows of any Hapkido seminars in the same areas I would definitly like to hear about them. So if anyone has some information please feel free to E-mail me. trbod@telusplanet .net Sincerly, Tracy Bodnarchuk --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest