Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:05:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #428 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Ki Breathing (Randall Sexton) 2. Tony Slaney (Andrew Pratt) 3. RE: Shaw Ki Book (Lasich, Mark D.) 4. Ki building books (michael tomlinson) 5. The Ki Process (ericules) 6. RE: Got Ki? (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 7. RE: "Somebody turn on the lights." (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 8. Ki Process revisited (earthlink) 9. RE: Ki Breathing (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 10. Uniforms (Cliff.Vaught@pmusa.com) 11. Sin Moo Hapkido (RDNHJMS@aol.com) 12. FYI: National MA Day (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:32:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki Breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks, Brian Woodard Got lot's of them...any particular focus, ie, just breathing, meditation, qigong or do you want them all? Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:44:58 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tony Slaney Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Wendy, I was kind of surprised to read that you are learning ITF TKD from Tony Slaney. I thought Tony taught WTF TKD with the BTCB... I suppose time changes.... Andrew --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:32:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Shaw Ki Book Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Woodard writes: >Has anyone read The Ki Process: Korean Secrets for Cultivating Dynamic >Energy by Scott Shaw? If so care to give a review?? Email me privately if >you wish. I purchased this book as my first introduction to Ki, and I have to admit that I know little more than I did before. Yes, there are some nice exercises that help one relax, and extend one's awareness of their surroundings, but I don't know if I took away any more than this! Granted, my western mind is definitely an obstacle to understanding, learning, and appreciating the concept, and "practicing" these exercises typically ends for me when I get the feeling that I am not DOING anything. That's another hurtle, the constant need to be _physically_ doing something. My experience may not be typical, so it will be interesting to see what others on the list think. This book is already listed in The Dojang Digest Book Review, found at: http://www.pasource.com/dojang/bookdetail.asp?bookid=141 In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:00:30 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki building books Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net IMHO some of the best "ki" books are actually yoga and Zen Buddhism books. A lot of the MA books on the subject really don't do it justice. I have checked out the Scott Shaw book and no disrespect but like his other books and tapes I find them very lacking in many areas. I look at the Shaw books as a basic gloss over of the subjects and I feel your money could be better spent in other venues. As a matter of fact when I look at his books on Hapkido I end up shaking my head and laughing. Most of all the techniques demonstrated in the photos are done with a stiff leg approach, very little knee bend, and just about all of the joint locks are done quite a ways from his body and actual center, IMHO that tells me a lot about his actual training or lack of. Try to find some yoga books on Kundalini Yoga and Hatha Yoga and look at the breathing sections,, they are very adept at breathing exercises and know their stuff, and ALL of it can be related to Martial Arts. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "ericules" To: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:00:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Ki Process Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I thought it was a pretty interesting book. It was certainly worth the eight or nine dollars off Amazon. I was a little disappointed in the lack of description concerning hylel points. I am interested in finding out more specifics about using the points for healing and calming purposes, as well as for striking. I guess this book is good for an extra introduction to Ki breathing and control concepts outside of class. I don't think it could be considered comprehensive by any stretch of the imagination, however. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:13:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Got Ki? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Brian: ".......Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations for books on ki and breathing techniques? I am interested in expanding my knowledge in this area. I am also interested in the benefits of Ki breathing on the body and mind. I am also interested in hearing what benefits any of you have experience and attribute to Ki breathing techniques......" Traditional Hapkido maintains a very significant place for Ki training, Ki breathing and Ki development. However, if you REALLY want to delve into the whole world of Ki development, especially as it relates to health and well-being (as opposed to martial arts) then I would grab a copy of TAI CHI magazine. There is also a magazine called "QI" but I only see it infrequently.Both of these magazines have lots of material on Ki development and Chi Gong. There are also quite a number of Ki video tapes available through Pacific Rim Martial Art products. KUNG FU magazine and INSIDE KUNG FU magazine have ads and articles on Ki and Chi Gong but these usually come back to its development for use with martial technique. May the Force be with you. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:45:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: "Somebody turn on the lights." Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dakin, Rudy et al: "......Yes, I'm just curious where they got that information. It is definitely NOT common knowledge, and if the source was Korea, then there might be a connection in Korea that we need to chase down!......" I really wish someone would go on record about this whole inter-relationship among these folks and the influences that caused them to organize things as they did as well as some of the sources that they drew on during the process. I don't understand why its so important to keep things under wraps. So far, from what I have been able to figure we have GM Seo, In Sun and his brother Suh, In Hyuk along with GM Pak and GM Yang all working together to organize a more nationalist (Korean) art form compared to the more Japanese-influenced Hapkido arts. About the same time we have GM Lee, Joo Bang doing the same thing from a slightly different angle and producing HWARANGDO. Frankly I think it took a lotta B***s for the late General Choi to let himself be interviewed and published about the actual history of Taekwondo and admit that it was essentially something he whip-stitched together and I don't understand why it is unreasonable to expect the same from these players in the Hapkido arts. How come these folks didn't stick together? Was it just a matter of power and control? Was it economics? If it was not too embarrassing to actually conduct themselves in such a way as to produce the various splits that have occurred, why is it so hard for them to own up to what they did and set the record straight? And what about the material itself? To hear GM Seo write about it in his book, the basis for KUK SOOL is his grandfathers' five notebooks from his tour of duty in palace security before the Japanese disbanded the palace security unit in 1907. OK, I'll buy that. But then, where did the material grandfather was taught come from, and was there a published curriculum or syllabus of standard techniques taught to the palace security similar to the MUYEI TOBO TONG JI? There is also the matter of the Chuan Fa training which GM Seo and his brother are reported to have had and I believe a teacher was mentioned (Tae-eui Wang). A little information here would be nice. And as long as I have gone this far, how about someone shedding some light on the various hyung that are practiced. Are these borrowed from various arts or simply constructed by the personalities involved? I have taken a pretty close look at the sword hyung for the KUK SOOL material and must say that there are a number of inconsistencies. Were these somebodys' attempt to marry Japanese linear and Chinese circular movement? A little light would be nice. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "earthlink" To: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:49:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki Process revisited Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry, I forgot to identify myself on my review of Ki Process. Eric Walker Fort Walton Beach, Florida --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ki Breathing Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:22:04 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I haven't delved deeply into this subject yet. Is there a logical progression? For example start with breathing, then go into meditation, and finally qigong. Is qigong or ChiGong an art in itself? Brian Woodard Ki Neophyte -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sexton [mailto:txhapkido@thegateway.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:32 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki Breathing Thanks, Brian Woodard Got lot's of them...any particular focus, ie, just breathing, meditation, qigong or do you want them all? Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Cliff.Vaught@pmusa.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:51:38 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Uniforms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff, I'm not a dojang owner so I don't have a business side to worry about. My contention would be that it is a uniform - and that's what it ought to be. There shouldn't be a handful of people modifying their uniform to suit their personal tastes or their religious customs or any of that. I don't know what style or what organization you affiliate with - maybe none. Most organizations seem to give some latitude regarding patches, names, etc. - but to modify the uniform itself, I would just say no. I can appreciate that they have a custom they wish to follow - the study of the martial arts is more about getting outside of the box and becoming part of something different. At least that's what I think. Soo Bahk!! Cliff > To all- > > Perhaps somebody else's experience could help me here. Had 4 new students > > confront me the other day to purchase uniforms (they are all in one > family). > The 2 females (mother & daughter) had been wearing jean/skirt things for > the > past couple of evenings. They asked if they could modify their bottoms to > > incorporate the same design as it was a religious custom. Well, my first > thought was no problem, I certainly wanted to be respectful and I didn't > see > any disrespect per se. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:21:21 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tracy, Welcome to the Digest. I have met Master Jacques on a couple of occasions while training with Dojunim. Please give him my regards. I agree with you that the order and type of techniques that Dojunim now teaches is logical in its approach. The basic eight gives you a solid foundation on the fundamentals (arm bars, joint locks, throws, strikes). You find the same fundamentals throughout the curriculum, and everything builds on that basic foundation of eight techniques. I'm sorry that I can't help you with a Sin Moo contact in the NW US. I'll check with Dojunim. Ray Terry probably knows almost all the folks associated with Dojunim. Good luck, Rick Nabors --__--__-- Message: 12 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:13:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] FYI: National MA Day Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Florida Governor Jeb Bush has joined with the National Association of Professional Martial Artists (NAPMA) to proclaim October 19, 2002 as National Martial Arts Day. In his proclamation Governor Bush states: ³National Martial Arts Day seeks to introduce the values of self-control, self-discipline, personal defense and physical fitness for every age, race, gender and ability level. Martial arts provides a powerful foundation for emotional development and success skills that last a lifetime. The participation in martial arts builds strength, character, focus, flexibility, and coordination while enhancing performance in other sports, in the workplace, at home and in school. Martial arts enhances self-esteem, goal setting abilities, anger management and the skills of non-violent conflict resolution in people of all ages, helping them to become more productive and healthy people. ³On National Martial Arts Day, martial arts schools across the United States partner with The National Association of Professional Martial Artists to heighten the visibility of the arts and encourage participation at the grassroots level.² For more information on National Martial Arts Day, visit www.nationalmartialartsday.com or call 888-343-5437. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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