Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:02:09 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #437 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Hapkido vs. Aikido (Kirk Lawson) 2. More Uniform Stuff (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 3. RE> another art (MW) 4. Re: next martial art (earthlink) 5. Re: Helpful Knee Exercises (BARBARA OLIVER) 6. Fire Breathing (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 7. Re: RE: Hapkido vs. Aikido (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Ki in Daily Life (Lee Fisk) 9. Wah Gi(fire energy) Soo Gi(water energy) (bredfield) 10. Re: Sparring (Laurie S.) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:00:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido vs. Aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: "Randall Sexton" > To: > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:56:33 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido vs. Aikido > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Can someone tell me the difference between Hapkido and Aikido? > > One can fight in a closet, the other can't. Did I say that? I guess you did, 'cause I just read it. I suppose I should keep a copy of this for future posting. Names: Hapkido and Aikido have (approximately) the same translation. The Way of Harmonizing Energy or The Path of Harmony and the like. Origins: Both Hapkido and Aikido lay claim to an origin in Daito Ryu Aiki JuJitsu under Sogaku Takeda. Aikido's founder, Morihei Ueshiba was a student of Takeda, well documented in records external and internal to Daito Ryu. Yong Sul Choi, the founder of Hapkido claims to have been a live in student and adopted son (among many other things) of Sogaku Takeda. There is no documentation either external or internal to Daito Ryu or the Takeda family records to support this. Choi, however, stated that the reason no records can be found is that he was forced to take a Japanese name while in Japan and that his certificates were stolen while he was returning to Korea. An examination of the techniques in Hapkido does show some similarities to techniques in Daito Ryu, so, even if Choi did not study directly under Takeda as claimed, it seems likely that he had some Daito Ryu instruction from someone, somewhere. Questions of History aside, Hapkido is now a well respected Korean Martial Art and Choi (if oral histories are to be believed) proved himself as something of a scrapper who knew which end of a fist the knuckles grew on. Technical comparisons: Hapkido tends to incorporate more punching and kicking the Aikido does (gross generalization of the "average" and not intended to purposely ignore certain styles of Aikido, of which there are many). Aikido tends to incorporate more "effortless" technique in it's locks and throws, relying more upon balance stealing, leading, and "blending" with an attack then Hapkido. Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:46:53 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] More Uniform Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff, One other thought after reading your last post, below. If this lady has the resources to produce these articles you have described, she may also be able to produce hakama. I have one student who's mother makes his uniforms for him. She found a pattern somewhere and I told her what type of material to look for and colors. Can't tell his uniform from anyone elses, except maybe his fits a little better. So this might be a choice. But if they are bringing their nanny too, sounds like cost may not be a issue with them anyway. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< For the time being, I am ordering them their Tiger Claw Judo uniforms and told them I would hope they could get their design as close to what they have on as possible. They look VERY much like Hakama's but I would prefer the real deal ultimately as the Hakama is representive of so many other things that are important in Budo historically. Apparently, she manufacturers these for her church and know even sells them internationally. According to her husband, she has made quite the change in their congregation nationally and internationally as their females are know able play sports that they never thought possible. I was quite impressed but I also was interested in not blurring the distinctions between political correctness (which I usually never have) and tradition which I value very much. Thank you for your help and attention. Any more suggestions, please let me know. Thx. Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: 10 Sep 02 14:48:09 -0500 From: MW To: the_dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] RE> another art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Divetony@aol.com wrote- Any suggestions on my next martial art, one that would involved less jumps, high kicks, etc? Try Kuk Sool Won. Although there are still some kicks in the curriculum it entails a lot more and can be custom fit around a persons individual limits or disabilities. If a Kuk Sool school is not available in your area try hapkido as the two have a lot of similarities. michael whalen ksw --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "earthlink" To: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:56:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: next martial art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I know the workouts are beneficial aerobically but the knee and back aches I get sometimes are getting more frequent. > Any suggestions on my next martial art, one that would involved less jumps, high kicks, etc? Since I'm starting to get very introspective with this perhaps one with a spiritual side would also be a path for me. Any suggestions? > I would suggest of course hapkido. It's great for everyone, all shapes, sizes, ages and athletic levels. Most kicks for true self-defence are executed low section ( to the knees or hip joints), plus with awesome weapons technique like defence against anything using cane....it's even good after we end up old and broken up! Eric Walker --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: BARBARA OLIVER To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Helpful Knee Exercises Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a year ago, I had arthroscopic knee surgery to clean out some cartilage because of an injury and because of years of arthritis. I don't know if the following exercises will help your 12-year-old student, but these have made a world of difference in lessening the pain from pivoting and from spinning kicks. However, I also wear an open-patella knee support, reinforced laterally with two go-rounds of sports tape. For the past two months I've been doing from 100-125 repetitions per exercise per leg, about 5 times per week: Exercise 1: Lay straight out on one side on a flat surface. Slightly bend the bottom knee. Keep the top leg straight and the foot flexed slightly. Raise the leg up about 6-12 inches and then lower it. Exercise 2: From that same position, bend the knee of the top leg and plant that foot flat on the floor near the bottom leg. Stretch out the bottom leg and flex the foot slightly. Raise the bottom leg 6-12 inches and then lower it. I think these are called abductor and adductor exercises. Hope this is helpful. Barbara Oliver Albany, NY --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:20:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fire Breathing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark, Yes there is fire breathing in Korean breath training. Preperation for training requires you eat a large plate of kemchi with bul go gi. Focus on a forceful and extended exhale toward a breath training partner. :D ROTFL. Sorry, just couldn't help myself! Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido vs. Aikido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hapkido is described in our KMA FAQ, found on martialartsresource.com. For Aikido check out the Aikido FAQ at aikidofaq.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Lee Fisk" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:13:13 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ki in Daily Life Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Michael, Thank you for the opportunity to discuss Ki. I did not consider his inputs on "leaking Ki" as absolute. Also I somewhat paraphrased what he said. I was not aware of the different of the different approaches which make sense in retrospect. I was using the breathing style we practiced when I took TKD in Elizabeth, NJ. 30 second in, 30 second out. I'll try you other approaches which you mentioned. My friend is in Dallas and I don't get to see him too often. We speak on the phone about business; we only talk about Chi when I'm in Dallas which isn't too often. Next time I see him I'll ask him again what the three causes of leaking Chi are. I would be interested in hearing more about the different breathing approaches, too. Have you tried any of the Ki experiments? Best regards, Lee Fisk (Tucson, AZ) >From: "michael tomlinson" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:12:34 +0000 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Ki in Daily Life >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Someone writes: >One of the principals for breathing >involves meditation while breathing. Breath is controlled at a one breath >per >minute rate. This is quite a challenge; I've yet to master it for longer >then >several breaths. A friend who is Chinese tell me that it is because of evil >in >my life; he is an authority on Chi.>> > >I am assuming you are doing water breathing which involves, inhale, >retention, then exhale,, that would be 20 second intervals for each,, if >you >are talking about earth breathing that would be inhale and exhale only at >30 >second intervals, if you are doing wind breathing that would be inhale 15 >retention 15 and exhale 30 and that is rough,, > >No disrespect but I don't buy into the "evil" in your life concept,, I do >breathing quite a bit and it is like everything else in life,, no big >mystery,, you have to build up your lung capacity, concentration, and >technique,, that's all,, I use a metronome and set it on one tick per >second,, that way you can focus more on the internalization and not get >distracted by counting,, just count the clicks from the metronome,, the >only >"evil" involved is not enough practice,,, one minute interval is a great >one >to strive for, but don't force it too soon, I personaly stay at around 12 >second intervals instead of 20 second intervals, I've went beyond 20 second >intervals doing Kundalini Yoga but that is a different story, when you get >finished doing this you should be covered with sweat but refreshed,, no >offense but don't get all hung up on the mysterious other worldly >meditation >levitation evil good junk. In Zen,, meditation and breathing are just >meditation and breathing, nothing more or less, to attach anything else to >it is missing the point.. also be careful about competing with yourself in >the breathing patterns and meditation, because this fosters the wrong >feeling that should be present, when you try to out do yourself from >yesterday too fast then you actually build up tension instead of releasing >it, just practice breathing and enjoy it, your body will automatically up >the interval for you when IT is ready. Sometimes strange things happen >when >you do this stuff a lot,, psychic kinds of things, but if this starts to >happen don't focus on it just accept it and don't attach any huge >significance to it,, it is just a by product of all that oxygenation your >body is getting,, kind of like running a leaner fuel in your car,, all of a >sudden your car is running different and better than before.. > Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:50:08 -0400 From: bredfield To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [The_Dojang] Wah Gi(fire energy) Soo Gi(water energy) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone help with the use of Wha Gi and Soo Gi as they relate to the martial arts?? its a question coming up on my 3rd dan test and I am having a hard time finding out more than just the general terms, any source of material or explanation would be greatly appreciated respects bernard --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:03:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Divetony@aol.com, I used to hate sparring (in fact, I hardly ever did when I did TSD). I started MA at 25. My dojang is (or I thought) was focused on sparring and they helped me with my "sparring problem". I was griping a lot because, eventhough I learned to spar, I thought that's all they did. But for the past week, they showed us much more (yes there is more to TKD). They changed my mind. Specially after watching the advance class. They do so much stuff, I was confused just watching them LOL. Did you talk to your instructor about it? I did and would :o) I may gripe again, but I will talk it over with my instructor next time :o) Laurie Green belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest