Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:29:05 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #449 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Chuseok Exodus Begins (Ray Terry) 2. Ancestor Worship (Ray Terry) 3. Re: Christian on the List (SyksRep006@cs.com) 4. Re: moving a cup (Jeremy) 5. Sports Injuries (TeachingInChina@aol.com) 6. Religion (Charles Richards) 7. RE: Christians and MA (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. Pregnancy and Martial Arts (SSHapkido@aol.com) 9. Are there any Christians on the list? (Randall Sexton) 10. Mr Craig Stovall & "To Ki, or Not to Ki . . .Part Trois (The Stanfield's) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Chuseok Exodus Begins Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chuseok Exodus Begins Across Nation September 19, 2002 The time-honored exodus of more than 30 million people began across the nation Thursday, the eve of the three-day Chuseok (Full Moon Harvest) holiday. Most are due to take journeys to visit their hometowns to meet families in time for the holiday, while others will travel to resort areas. The annual traffic chaos is forecast to repeat because as many as 14 million vehicles expected to hit the streets and highways. Officials warned that the worst traffic jams could occur because of an unusually short holiday period and still-to-be-repaired sections of the roads devastated by Typhoon Rusa early this month. Delays have already begun on major highways, with a growing number of homeward-bound cars taking to the roads. "It takes motorists about 10 hours to go from Seoul to Busan, and nine hours from Seoul to Gwangju," said an official from the Korea Highway Corporation. He said, "Such road conditions will likely continue until after Sunday, when massive traffic is expected." Airport, train stations and bus terminals were also crowded with homebound visitors, their hands full of bundles and gifts. Some struggled to acquire tickets for trains at Seoul Station, as all seats were booked months ago. "I am looking forward to meeting my family this time. I couldn't visit hometown for the past six months because of work," said Kim Mi-hyun, 28, who was waiting for a train bound for Jeonju, Jeollabuk-do. Kim, like many others, plans to pay homage to her deceased ancestors at their graves and celebrate the autumn harvest. However, the occasion is far from something to celebrate for those who lost their homes and graves of their ancestors due to Typhoon Rusa. They will have to spend Chuseok worrying about how to return to normal life. For those returning from their hometowns, Seoul City has decided to extend subway service until 2 a.m. next Monday. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Ancestor Worship Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ancestor Worship Rites Go Online September 19, 2002 The traditional rite of ancestor worship is going on the Internet on Chuseok holiday which falls on Saturday. Some people are preparing to pay respect to their ancestors with computer-generated smoke and digital candle before images of fruit and dishes instead of going to remote ancestral tombs or altars in their hometown. At an online memorial site, Cyber Memorial Zone (www.memorial-zone.or.kr), managed by the Seoul Metropolitan Government, around 1,200 people have visited the Web site daily to cherish the memory of their beloved ones. The number of daily visitors have nearly quadrupled, compared with an average of 300 people during last year's Chuseok holiday season. By clicking a mouse, they can select one of several worship packages, ranging from a simple flower bouquet to an elaborate array of food, incense and candles free of charge. At the same time, the site creates an on-screen virtual altar with the sacrifice laid out before a picture of the departed. In addition, people can post a message for the deceased on an electronic bulletin board or watch a video clip recorded when the deceased was alive. For the service, the Seoul City government offers three megabytes of free storage space for each user who owns a tomb in the city-run cemetery. The storage capacity allows the users to save various computerized memory of his or her ancestors such as pre-recorded voice, photos and moving images. "With the proliferation of the Internet, people are growingly paying attention to the online memorial service," said Choi Sung-hwan, a city official. So far this year, a total of 319,489 people have logged on to the site to remember their ancestors, the official said. However, some traditionalists balk at the idea of turning ancestor worship into an online process. They argue that Koreans must adhere to the sacred tradition dating back to thousands of years during Chuseok holidays. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: SyksRep006@cs.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:25:51 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Christian on the List To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i just started taekwondo recently and i dont see anything wrong with it im a youth minister in my church and i think it teaches excellent moral values and disipline --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jeremy" To: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:30:16 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: moving a cup Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Tomlinson Writes: "Sorry but I saw this trick last week on a magician's show, it was one of those secrets revealed type shows, they actually used a paper cup,, the trick is that the person loops very fine monofilament string around his thumbs and then pulls the cup across the table" Well, I'm sorry, but this is not how it was done. I'm not saying it wasn't a trick necessarily, but what you saw on TV wasn't it. Master Kim will do breathing exercises for a few moments then touch his face as if he is wiping the ki off of it onto his hand, he then extends his hand and the cup moves slowly for several inches staying an inch or two in front of his finger. It looks like the work of static electricity. Yes, we've covered his mouth, picked up the cup, and used different objects other than cups. Now Master Kim is a great hapkidoist and a wonderful teacher. Assuming this were a trick he could pull off, he would still have to be severely psychologically and socially dysfunctional to want to trick us in the first place, especially given the passion with which he explains the phenomena. I can't honestly say that I believe he moved the cup with ki, but science works, the cup moved, so a force must have acted on it. I've seen him do it at the school, at a party and at a bar at other peoples request. If I were reading this, I wouldn't believe it, and I don't really expect anyone else to either, but I feel that as long as the subject is up, I should share this. Make what you want out of it. Jeremy P.S. does anyone else know Master Hyun Joo Kim in Chicago and have you seen this? --__--__-- Message: 5 From: TeachingInChina@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:09:41 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sports Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone help me with this subject? It seems that lately I have been getting a lot of sports injuries. Last night when I was sparring I could actually hear something tear in my shoulder. The doctor told me that it was a muscle pull, no broken bones. Just 3 weeks ago I pulled a muscle in my left knee, the same thing. I have medication but I need help with prevention. I use ice and heat but lately It seems I am in pain a lot. I am taking TKD, and I want to make sure the injuries are less frequent. Any advice would help. My doctor only says that injuries happen during sporting events. Thanks --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Religion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I find the question of "can you be a Christian and become a Black belt?" interesting. What in the world does religion have to do with the martial arts. Each individual accepts learning in their own way. Whether you call that religion, philosophy, feeling, intuition, Tibetan gofer throwing or Ki, it really does not matter. Is one religion better than the other, is one martial art better than another, only to the individual that is concerned. IMHO it is best to learn your religious beliefs from your family and your martial arts from a qualified individual that YOU respect and trust. <> OK so now you know why I respect and trust Master Hodder . Couldn't have said it better. As a business owner, I refuse to discuss religion at my place of business, or promote one world view over another, or limit my potential prospects. As such, we have mixed gender, mixed race, Christians, Wicca, Pagan, and I'm sure others represented in our school of age 5 to 48, and we have less than 25 members. We do meditate at the beginning and end of each class, and we do dan jun breathing during this period. Several years back a transfer family from a Christrian Martial Arts school asked (very respectfully) if they could pray during this period. I said yes, the time is to clear your mind of the days conflicts and prepare for martial arts training (by any means neccessary). Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.geocities.com/mojakwan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:04:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Christians and MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alastair, It is certainly possible to be a christian and a black belt martial artist. I'm glad to see several others have responded as well. This year marks my 30th in the martial arts. I can tell you that I firmly believe that being a martial artist is not inconsistent with being a christian. The fact that the eastern martial arts were developed by people with other beliefs is really not any different from going to college and studying things in any subject that were developed, determined, ect. by non-christians. There is no biblical prohibitian from learning from non-christians. Bob Orlando did a very good essay on the subject which I'm sure you can find on the internet. I think it is linked from a number of sites. What I can tell you is that christian martial artists probably know more about eastern religions than 95% of christians in the west. It is just like anything else. The knowledge in and of itself is neither good nor bad, it is what each person chooses to do with that knowledge, the actions and decisions that he or she makes, that is good or bad. As for ki, simply because it is not something most people are used to dealing with or even familiar with doesn't mean it has unchristian tones or meanings. I personally believe that there are still things that we haven't developed the science to understand. Yes, I am trained as a scientist. There are many things that are intuitively understood to happen by people before science can be used to understand and explain it. Ki is one of them. From my own training, I know that it exists and that its use can be cultivated with appropriate training. I also believe that many uninformed christians tend to dismiss things, or believe that if it is beyond current general understanding, that it must be magic, or mystic and therefore evil. You don't have to go back very far in history to find lots of very good examples of this happening, such as Galileo and Copernicus. Most humans tend to fear what they don't understand, and christians are no different. Thats part of our biological programming. On the other side of the coin, a lot of the demontrations of ki really are not. Craig and Michael's comments about working on breathing and concentration are the best advice in my opinion, though there are some forms that seem to help a lot more than others. But I personally would stay away from instructors that place a big emphasis on developing some "mystical ki power" that they really can't explain. Its been my experience that those are folks that fill in a lack of knowledge and abilities with stories. In my experience, overwhelmingly, instructors who really understand concentrate on physical techniques, body mechanics and proper breathing. And yes, it is very instructor dependent on what and if any breathing exercises, or any type of meditation is taught. So by all means, continue your training and your devotion to God. Danny Dunn <<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:27:21 -0400 From: SSHapkido@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Pregnancy and Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I find it interesting that the majority of replies to this question have been from men, who hopefully have never been pregnant. I also wondered if any of you who have offered advice have any medical background. Perhaps the best answer that I have seen so far has been to " ask your doctor." Don't think that I'm going to answer this question either. It's totally out of my specialty. I will reiterate to ask your doctor and explain to your doctor what type of exercises or drills are involved and ask which are ok and which are not ok. I'm sure you want to keep training. Also, staying in the best shape possible may help with delivery, but it may not be wise to participate in some of the more high impact exercises. You might try one of the popular exercise tapes for pregnant ladies. My cousin did one of them religiously and had her first child within one and one- half hours of getting to the hospital. Quite impressive. Good Luck. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:58:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Are there any Christians on the list? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm a Zen Baptist; does that count for anything? Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com "I have never waited for anything the way I've waited for today, when nothing will happen." Marguerite Duras --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "The Stanfield's" To: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:24:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr Craig Stovall & "To Ki, or Not to Ki . . .Part Trois Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >This is good stuff. Randall... my only problem is that your answers have only left me with more questions< Looks to me like someone has just extended a friendly challenge of wits to our resident "Witch Doctor". Back to lurking . . .but watching for the reply Tom Stanfield PS Mr Stoval asked if Qigong Institute in Menlo Park, CA had a web site. They do . . http://www.Qigonginstitute.org --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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