Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:02:10 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #452 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Phrase (Steve Kincade) 2. Martial-Arts Channel (Ray Terry) 3. Can an Atheist be a Martial Artist? (Patrick L) 4. Christian posts and Buddhists (michael tomlinson) 5. kay-Lee-O-Kee (Brian Beach) 6. RE: Kay-Lee-O-Kee (Dave Wilson) 7. KI? So, how about that weather.....? (Charles Veuleman) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Steve Kincade" To: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:37:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Phrase Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone asked: My experience in Korea says that it is "The act of singing along with terrible instrumental music in a public place after too much sojwu." --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial-Arts Channel Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial-Arts Channel Aims To Leap Onto Cable Rosters By JOE FLINT Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Jackie Chan and Jet Li may be big action stars, but do they have enough juice to justify a cable network devoted solely to fists of fury? Larry Kasanoff hopes so, and despite long odds, he plans to launch a martial-arts channel early next year. The producer of "Mortal Kombat" films, who also worked with "Terminator" director James Cameron to create production company Lightstorm Entertainment, has a big vision for Blackbelt TV, which will telecast fights, movies and even some Japanese animation. "We want to do the same thing for the martial arts that MTV did for music," says Mr. Kasanoff, who expects the Los Angeles-based channel to hit the market with at least four million cable and satellite subscribers. It's no secret that fights and violence are big business on cable television. Wrestling shows often pull in top ratings on Viacom Inc.'s MTV and TNN channels. And for all the hype HBO gets for "The Sopranos" and "Sex and the City," the AOL Time Warner Inc. channel's heavy load of boxing is just as important in keeping many subscribers on board. Zuffa LLC, which produces ultimate fighting, a mixed martial arts-style of battle, has had growing success with pay-per-view bouts. And as ever, advertisers are clamoring for ways to reach men 18 to 34 years of age: Violence and action are proven lures. Still, getting Blackbelt TV to audiences may be tougher than surviving a bout with "The Replacement Killers" star Chow Yun Fat. For starters, most successful cable channels are owned by big media concerns with the clout to launch new networks. Convincing cable operators to pick up a new independent channel is made harder due to their difficulty in passing on the cost of new programming to subscribers: Congress could impose new rate regulations if fees go much higher. Mr. Kasanoff, who has assembled a team of executives with experience at the Discovery Channel and Walt Disney Co., declines to say how many cable operators have agreed to carry the channel. Instead, he talks about its low costs, putting the break-even point at $60 million, and appeal to viewers. He has secured international rights to about 15,000 hours of programming so far, from Hong Kong movies to David Carradine's Kung Fu television program. Blackbelt aims to offer an international version of the service at some point. Sony, which sold programming to Blackbelt TV, has warrants to invest in the channel. Most of the movies and fights that Blackbelt has acquired are inexpensive because they are from overseas, often in Mandarin or Cantonese, or were sitting on big studios' shelves. "The prices we're spending per hour of programming vary from $2,500 to a few hundred thousand dollars per hour, Mr. Kasanoff says. By contrast, reruns of "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" on TNN fetch $1.6 million per episode. Blackbelt doesn't plan to invest much on original programming at first, but will enhance the fights with visual effects and graphics. If that's not enough, Mr. Kasanoff says, "our entire network is hosted by women." The upstart channel may face a match down the road. The Martial Arts Action Network, an Orlando, Fla., channel, is hoping to launch service in late spring. Tony Interdonato, CEO of Martial Arts Action Network and a former producer, says his channel has about 17,000 hours of programming. He concedes he's targeting a small niche but says he "won't go down without a fight." To make itself more appealing to operators wary of adding new services, Blackbelt TV may offer itself as a free service for a year or two. While on the surface that sounds like a no-lose deal, operators don't see it that way. "We have a saying in this industry, 'The first bag of heroin is always free,'" says Fred Dressler, senior vice president of programming at AOL's Time Warner Cable, the nation's second-largest operator. The problem, he says, is that adding new channels no longer translates into new subscribers. Eventually, he adds, a channel will want a license fee and it's hard to charge subscribers to cover the expense. Mr. Dressler declined to comment on Blackbelt's prospects. Mr. Kasanoff knows he'll have to chop through a few industry bricks to make Blackbelt a success, but he remains confident. "We know people like to watch this stuff," he says. Being small, he adds, may even give his outfit an edge: "Conglomerates by their nature are not entrepreneurial. They'd rather spend $100 on a sure thing than $110 on something risky." Not that he sees Blackbelt fighting solo for life. He wouldn't mind if it followed the same path as the Sci-Fi Channel, which began as a small network dependent on reruns and is now part of Vivendi Universal SA. "A scrappy independent that sold out and became big and huge?" he says. "That would be great." --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:06:45 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Can an Atheist be a Martial Artist? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fellow Humans, IMHO Religions provide guidence, through suggestions, rules, and laws, and usually define rewards and punishment. If you cannot find your own way, choose one that meets your life needs. I have met many religous persons who cannot bow, dress, meditate, or consider spirit in any fashion other than theirs. They have been instructed so by their particular religous leader. On the issue of Christianity and Martial Arts, I would suggest you read your Bible or listen to your Pastor, Priest, etc. It seems misguided to ask other Martial Artists if it is OK given religious beliefs. That would be tantamount to me asking the devil if it is ok to sin. Make up your own mind, or ask the religious leader you follow. Getting in the Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:09:24 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Christian posts and Buddhists Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey guys I too am a Buddhist, and have been one for a very long time,, let me just say that I don't have a problem at all about all the talk about Christianity and martial arts,, Michelle,, even though I would not enjoy your rendition of corelating kata with the Bible if I was in your class I do respect your opinion and don't get a bit offended with this thread on here,,,, Lord knows (whoever's Lord that may be) that you folks have listened to me rant, ramble, and rave on here many times with not even a hint of disrespect to me or the subjects that I have brought up,,, Please,, all of you folks including Michelle and many others,, don't go back to just lurking,, even though many of us might not be walking the same path that you are on,, we respect the fact that you ARE walking on the path,,, speak freely and don't let anyone stop you from that on here,,, I'll listen,, might not agree but I'll listen!!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:13:52 -0400 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] kay-Lee-O-Kee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does anyone know what the word Kay-Lee-O-Kee means? > > Our Hapkido Master uses this term in reference to hosinsool. The art of defending oneself after singing to prerecorded music in a bar:) sorry couldn't resist Brian --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dave Wilson" To: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:27:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Kay-Lee-O-Kee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Patrick, "Color Ki" sound like it too. I was thinking it might be a Japanese term. Our instructor (Grand Master Sueng Kyu Yang) studied at Choi Yong Sool's Dojang for several years (I'm guessing around the mid-late 70's) Dave Wilson 1st Dan HKD From: "Martin, Patrick Marvin" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kay-Lee-O-Kee Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:41:25 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave, Perhaps the answer is here. I too heard the phrase and wondered what it meant. It sounded like "Color Ki" to me... http://www.hapkido.co.kr/eng/about/technic.htm Patrick Martin --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] KI? So, how about that weather.....? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am going to open my screen print shop next week, and if anybody needs school t-shirts or bags, or whatever, please let me know, i could really use the business. It's not like I don't have fifty thousand things going on anyway... Just kidding. But if you need anything, give us Louisiana boyz a call. Yours in the martial arts, and ink, Charlie Veuleman. (P.S. Free screen setup!!!, to heck with all these other printing companies we have around here) ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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