Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:02:19 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #456 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Re: To ki or not to ki? (John Wallace) 2. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kukkiwon=20=22Recommodation=20for=20promotion=22 =20form=20?= (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jens=20Sch=E4fer?=) 3. Re: Pre-NUGA (Steven van Ooyen) 4. RE: "Easy Does it" does it (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 5. Mst. Peligrini (J T) 6. Re: Kukkiwon dan form (Ray Terry) 7. Re: RE: "Easy Does it" does it (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Pre-NUGA (WTF rules) (Mark M. Smith) 9. Hapkido - speed and power (Patrick L) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John Wallace" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: To ki or not to ki? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:19:26 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mark Since no one else seems to have risen to the bait, I'll take a crack at it. It is indeed true that we humans have an electric field around us - whether its due to ki, a charge differential over our surface from scuffing our feet on the ground (or even getting out of a chair) or nerve impulses (which actually have a really tiny voltage - I'd be surprised if that was it). In any case, when you move an electric field across a conductor, you get current in proportion to the strength of the field, the speed of the motion, and most importantly, the direction of the motion relative to the orientation of the conductor. I would hazard a guess that the circuit that detects whether you've touched the lamp is at the correct angle to sense your electric field when you move directly towards the surface of the lamp. Waving your hands in other directions doesn't work because the conductor you're interacting with (physically - but at a distance) isn't oriented that way. Just my guess :) John W. I Dan TKD (and two semesters of physics in college) Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: Lasich, Mark D. [mailto:Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:04 AM To: Dojang (E-mail) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: To ki or not to ki? > ---------- > From: Lasich, Mark D.[SMTP:MARK.LASICH@ALCOA.COM] > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:04:21 AM > To: Dojang (E-mail) > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: To ki or not to ki? > Auto forwarded by a Rule > While I have not engaged in any ki training at all, and even the breathing exercises leave me, well breathless, I do tend to believe there is more to this world than the things we can see and measure. Bruce Lee once noted that when you start measuring things and evaluating them that you remove yourself from the experience and become an observer. He said to stop observing life, and start living it! Now to my question: I have a "touch sensitive" lamp on my desk at work. We've all seen them, where you touch any of the metal components and the lamp goes on, or off! Well, if I take my hands from, say two feet away, and push my hands toward the lamp, stopping about an inch or two from the lamp, you guess it, the lamp turns on/off! This works only when I am relaxed, if I try to "force" it to happen, it does not! This is not unique to me, myself and nearly all my coworkers can perform this trick! Take our hands, wave them around the lamp, etc. and absolutely NOTHING happens. Gently extend our hands toward the lamp, and it turns on just like magic! Is this an extension of our KI? I really don't know. I would like to think so. You have to be relaxed for it to work (kind of reminds me of Yoda in the original Star Wars film, when he is lifting the X-Wing fighter out of the swamp). Anyone care to shed some light on this? I've asked some Electrical Engineers, who couldn't shed any light on the subject (pun intended). So, I am left with this being a ki experience! You know, if we perfect this, it would put the Clapper out of business! (I couldn't resist)! In the spirit, Mark mark.lasich@alcoa.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 9/16/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 9/16/2002 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:11:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jens=20Sch=E4fer?= To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kukkiwon=20=22Recommodation=20for=20promotion=22 =20form=20?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all! Has anyone of you an electronic version of the kukkiwon recommondation for dan promotion form? My master, a 7th dan, sends them to kukkiwon in order to get his dans officially recognized. Unfortunately, his form is a rather old one - it got copied and copied again and again and does not look too neat by now. More importantly, we have occasional problems with our handwriting; esp. with numbers (e.g. 1s get frequently confused with 7s, sometimes with 2s) so we would greatly appreciate something that we could handle on a computer. Thank you very much in advance! -- humbly yours Jens Schäfer "Ihr Kopf ist nicht gelehrt und doch so leer!" ________________________________________ Online Fotoalben - jetzt kostenlos bei http://www.ePost.de --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 04:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven van Ooyen Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Pre-NUGA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have them posted @ http://www.vanooyen.org/taekwondo/taekwondo.htm Ray Terry wrote:> Better yet, can someone tell me where 2 get the most CURRENT WTF Rules& Regs? Have you checked the WTF or the Kukkiwon or the KTA websites? They might have them posted. If you locate them, please let us know. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Thank you, Steven van Ooyen www.vanooyen.org http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TournamentTKD/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:05:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: "Easy Does it" does it Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Galeos: "....I am practicing Hapkido(World Hapkido Federation) and I am at 3 Gup Since the techniques of Hapkido are very dangerous for an opponent if performed at full speed and power , we practicing these techniques at very low speed and mild power always pay attention not to hurt our opponent. How can I increase my power and speed in these techniques then ? without hurting my copracticers. In TKD they have all these protective gear and therefor can practice their techniques in full speed and power......" This is a good time to address this misconception as you still have time to adjust your thinking and benefit from that change in your practice. Despite whatever you might see in the practice of others, neither Hapkido, nor its Japanese cousin, Aikido, require speed to make the techniques work effectively. In fact, it has been my expereince that speed actually detracts from the effectiveness of the technique as at higher levels of performance one seeks to work in concert with the natural responses of ones' partner to achieve ones' goals. The effectiveness of Hapkido techniques is not a function of speed but one of accuracy and precision and individuals who MUST use speed or power to make techniques work are simply demonstrating the need for more polish in what they do. As for protective gear in TKD, well, you may have me there, but you may want to check with others who practice that art. From what I understand the idea of hogu in TKD is not intended to "allow" people to go full power and full speed. Rather, I understand that it is intended to minimize risk against such times as people slip-up in their control. Since I don't practice TKD or TSD maybe someone in these arts could correct me if I am wrong, yes? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mst. Peligrini Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am looking for information on Mst. Peligrini and his martial art background in HKD. Anyone out there know of it? __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon dan form To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Has anyone of you an electronic version of the kukkiwon recommondation for > dan promotion form? Yes. I believe I downloaded the MS Word forms (one for the front and one for the back) from the Kukkiwon website. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: "Easy Does it" does it To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > the need for more polish in what they do. As for protective gear in TKD, > well, you may have me there, but you may want to check with others who > practice that art. From what I understand the idea of hogu in TKD is not > intended to "allow" people to go full power and full speed. Rather, I > understand that it is intended to minimize risk against such times as people > slip-up in their control. Since I don't practice TKD or TSD maybe someone in > these arts could correct me if I am wrong, yes? The "control" concept is more common in the arts closer to Karate, e.g. Tang Soo Do. In TKD the hogu is worn to allow one to deliver (actually receive) full power punches and kicks (to the trunk area). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:19:12 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Mark M. Smith" Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Pre-NUGA (WTF rules) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray et al. > > Better yet, can someone tell me where 2 get the most CURRENT WTF Rules& > Regs? > >Have you checked the WTF or the Kukkiwon or the KTA websites? They might >have >them posted. > >If you locate them, please let us know. The current WTF competition rules are available from two sources that I know of. The first is the USTU website on the referee page. A PDF version of the rules is available. The main problem is that all the illustrations are missing. USTU Referee page http://www.ustu.org/index-r.html The second and better source is Jim Montgomery's TKD page. Mr. Montgomery is an International Referee and involved in many USTU events. His PDF copy of the WTF rules include all the illustrations. http://users.primushost.com/~jmont/wtf_rules/index.html If you have any specific questions with regards to the rules, I would be glad to give you my understanding as a USTU A-1 level referee. Respectfully, Mark M. Smith Merrimack, NH --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:49:32 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido - speed and power Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Galeos Antonis, Working up to full speed and hard is something we do in Jang Mu Hapkido. There is a price to be paid, but we believe the benefits outweigh the risks, and there are risks. Others focus on safety, they pay a different price, and derive different benefits. At a third Gup, I would recommend you follow the directions of your instructor. Remember, only your partner knows if it hurt, and you should respect their and your instructors input. As your skill builds, you will find that you can increase speed and power with only a modest increase in pain and danger, should that be the direction you wish to travel once you have more knowledge. Getting in the WAY, Patrick From: Galeos Antonis To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:16:10 +0300 Subject: [The_Dojang] Speed and Power Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am practicing Hapkido(World Hapkido Federation) and I am at 3 Gup Since the techniques of Hapkido are very dangerous for an opponent if performed at full speed and power , we practicing these techniques at very low speed and mild power always pay attention not to hurt our opponent. How can I increase my power and speed in these techniques then ? without hurting my copracticers. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest