Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:17:45 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #467 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Pelligrini Question (Stovall, Craig) 2. RE:Ki Switched Lamps (bredfield) 3. Re: Striking bricks and other such things. (SSHapkido@aol.com) 4. TKD times Publisher (Kenneth W. Legendre) 5. Morgan's Post (Charles Veuleman) 6. Re: Attacking JP Again? (JW) 7. Re: TKDTimes (JW) 8. hard blows (michael tomlinson) 9. Re: Chest Protectors (SallyBaughn@aol.com) 10. Re: Mississippi tournament (ISA CONSULTATION GROUP) 11. Re: Community Involvement (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:48:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Pelligrini Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First of all, I am not trying to stir the pot. OK, maybe just a little. I guess this question goes out to Vic since he sounds like he has firsthand knowledge, but anyone can respond. Putting the personality and political issues aside for a moment...what kind of a martial artist is Pelligrini? Seriously, I hear all of these complaints about him, but when the rubber hits the road can the guy get it done on the mat? Is he a competent technician? Can he scrap? Is there something of value there or is he just a complete fraud? I mean it's possible for somebody to be a complete @$$hole and money hungry (not that he is...I don't know), and STILL be a good martial artist. Unfortunately, most of the ones I meet also SUCK in addition to being @$$holes and money hungry. So what is it? Can the guy back it up or what? Inquiring minds want to know. Craig "What's the real deal?" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:03:19 -0400 From: bredfield Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Ki Switched Lamps Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net OK are we going to get into A/C circiuts and Transformer theory here?, To have induction you need relative motion , so when you have A/C current flowing thru a`primary winding of a transformer a alternating magnetic field is created in the core of the transformer, this provides the nessesary relative motion for induction to occur in the secondary winding, now you have current in the secondary side, now about these touch sensitive lights, there are 4 basic types, temperature,radio receptive, Resistive, and most common, the Capacitive, it sounds like the most common one is what you are talking about, think of the lamp as needing so many electrons to fill itto capacity and light up, your body has lots more electrons built up around it, so that when you touch it or get very close to it, your electron charge will jump to the lamp tripping the switch and lighting the lamp, you may notice that the lamp will not work if you are wearing gloves or if the carpet is static guarded, of course if can walk into the room and just point at it with your ki and light it, then this is just useless info to you, : ) Bernard --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:00:18 -0400 From: SSHapkido@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Striking bricks and other such things. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeremy, A local rheumatologist ( arthritis specialist) suggested these answers to your questions - Does this cause arthritis ? YES Is this a good idea ? NO Is this a good idea if your occupation is as a musician ? Not unless you like being homeless and hungry. These hardening techniques are not necessary to become a good martial artist and they certainly cause permanent damage to your joints in the long run. I hope this is helpful. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:54:55 -0500 From: "Kenneth W. Legendre" To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD times Publisher Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello All, I just want to make a little comment about the publisher of TKD Times. He was one of General Choi's subordinates in the Korean army. He has much respect for him and if not for being sick at the time I'm sure he would have liked to attend the funeral. The website for TKD times had a memorial up for General Choi less than a week after his death (that was the first time after his death that I checked the website) As was mentioned by someone on the list you cant just throw something into a magazine. It takes time and planing and for someone as important as him you dont want to just throw together something. As far as TKD times taking a slant towards WTF or ITF I find it very hard to believe. Master Kim formed his own black belt federation with GM Jung and several other masters form Korea because he had friends on both sides. As I mentioned earlier GM Kim served under General Choi and was also close friends with the president of the WTF at that time. I still see Masters come through the dojang with affiliations lying on one side or the other. I am a 3rd degree studing under the publisher. I get the opportunity to see him every week. Last year I was able to sit next to him on a 10 hour flight back from Korea. I will always remember that trip more for the fact that he was there to accompany me and a few other students of his as well as a larger group of about 80 people. I hope I dont sound hostile, but Grandmaster Kim is someone I respect very much. He has earned it from me. Not for his martial arts prowess, but for his treatment of people me included. thank you Ken Legendre innae@netexpress.net 3rd Dan TKD 4th Gup HKD --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:22:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Morgan's Post Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have two gentlemen who have been coming to me over the last few months and participating in classes due to the fact that their own school was unfortunatley shut down. I am just helping fellow martial artists out in their time of need and misfortune. One is a 1st Dan and the other is a 1st Gup. They practice, IMHO, an unorthodox version of Tang Soo Do with a mix of Japanese Karate thrown in. They practice the Pyong Ahn forms along with Basai and a few other Japanese forms that I do not recognize. They also practice Ninjitsu techniques from time to time. Both gentlemen are very good at what they do and are very respectful of me for allowing them the opportunity to come and train in my dojang. Both gentlemen periodically communicate with their old instructor to keep up on technques and requirements for their next ranks. The 1st Dan is due to test for his 2nd Dan in April 2003. I have no idea about the 1st Gup. He just tells me that he would like to gain his 1st Dan in his current style before stepping into a new style/school permanently. I can't say I blame him for feeling that way. Both have verbally expressed their desires to join my school sometime in the near future in order to gain more martial arts experience and rank in a different system. In previous posts I recall Master West stating something like "You walk into my dojang, no matter what rank you have from another school, and you are recieving a white belt...". It was something along those lines. I agree with this. But my GM has informed me that due to their ranks and experience in Korean TSD, he would allow them to join at the rank of 1st Gup as long as they can produce legit documentation of current and past ranks. Both would have to stay at that rank for as long as it took them to master all our Gup forms, 1-2-3 sparring techniques, TKD/School history, etc. When they are ready to test for 1st Dan, they could. Since this topic was discussed some time ago, I was thinking that there may be some changes in opinion on this subject since then and would like some honest to goodness thoughts on this. Personally, I would not feel right walking into a new school/style with my 3rd Dan belt around my waist. I would want the white belt and earn my place through sweat and blood in the new school. Thank you in advance to all who reply and help guide me in the appropriate direction. James Morgan GTKDA www.gtkda.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to have posted to so much of the email man, I know it is aggravating reading what you have already written. Anyway, sounds like they do ALL shotokan forms, Pyong An is just Heian and Pinan revamped somewhere down the line. Basai and all of the other I guess "advanced" forms are shotokan also. As far as the Ninja stuff, I don't know what they are doing... like a bunch of rolling around and throwing arts and stuff? I don't know. How old are these individuals? Since my style of TKD has so much shotokan in it, and I know what it is like to be stranded in the karate world, I really appreciate the fact that you have taken in strangers, and have cared enough to ask around as what to do. Your GM is nice, but I think you should re-rank'um as whitie's. They can wear their other instuctor's belt when they train with him. If they are good, hardworking students like you say, ultimitly they will thank you for the opportunity you have given them. If they are especially young they won't understand. You may want to just let them wear their rank, and test them with your students on the material they are supposed to know. Maybe even take a week off here and there on testing (example- white to orange normally takes two months, make it 1 month or month and a half). There is alot you can do, but remember, they showed up on your doorstep, but that doesn't require you to give them anything. Good luck with this situation. Also, where are you guys based? Yours in the martial arts, Charlie Veuleman ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:28:06 -0700 From: JW To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Attacking JP Again? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can hardly believe the cat cries regarding John Pellegrini and his eclectic HKD system. I am not one of his followers, but you have to give the man some respect. Although I attended only one of his seminars (and that a few years ago) I found the seminar well taught, the material, including advanced techniques effective and well conveyed. His style of teaching with core techniques being built upon is identical to that found in most HKD organizations. His style of doing so appears closer to the common HKD approaches rather than the Akido or chin na approaches. Pellegrini's approach (based upon his statements) for his HKD system when he started was to present an organized system of Hapkido techniques that can be used as an enhancement to TKD classes. I don't find this offensive or unusual, except that, unlike the majority of instructors adding HKD to a TKD curriculm he started ranking the HKD skills. As his organization evolved and in the face of the UFC and similar events - he expanded and continues to expand the repetoire of techniques which he feels are needed to make a complete fighter out of a TKD practitioner. In following his development in the press over the past ten years it appears that he, with mixed success tried to build a true nationwide organization and to create a standardized curriculm and testing regimine. This appears admirable to me. On meeting him, at a NAPMA conference, but outside of the public eye, he was open, professional, spoke ill of no one, and seemed to be a genuinely nice guy exhibiting the personal charateristics which are admirable in a MA leader. My recollection is that he advanced to 5th Dan under traditional HKD training prior to establishing his own approach to promoting the HKD techniques. I think that we are better off acknowledging his connection to HKD. Acknowledging that Combat Hapkido is an eclectic HKD derived style which is growing and has not yet matured, not been time tested or stablized. His curriculm is also a fighting style curriculm and may eventually prove to not be a 'way' or 'do' which develops the spirit as well as the physical skills. His curriculm materals do appear to contain value based guidelines/rules, so perhaps the 'do' merely needs time to develop. Will 'Combat Hapkido' stay a HKD style or move closer to a Jeet Kun Do type style is unclear. In the mean time, his marketing to the public is amazing and he is spreading awareness that their is an art called Hapkido more widely than anyone has since GM Han during the Billy Jack era. We should treasure his contributions such as they may be and leave on the table his approaches that are not to our tastes. Our energies are better spent growing our own skills, student groups and communities. Respectfully, Joel Weissler --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:31:16 -0700 From: JW To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKDTimes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I believe GM Hwang Kee's passing was mentioned in the prior TKD times article. - JW --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:40:38 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] hard blows Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone asks what kind of conditioning do people do to get used to taking hard blows,, This is a good question and I believe somewhat important in my book. No matter how good you are you are gonna get hit on occasion and that's ok, sometimes a good hit can put you into the next zone if you know what I mean and cause your focus and intensity to get revved up. I think the question was geared towards the thoracic region.. I do three things for that region, 1. Breathing exercises as discussed on previous posts. 2. Squats with free weights,, I do five sets of 20 reps each 3 times a week with a lot of breathing in between the last 8 reps.. 3. Medicine ball training,, I lay on my back with my legs pulled close to me, knees up,, I have a partner stand at my feet and drop a medicine ball on my abdomen,, I tense my stomach just before it hits me and do a quick short exhale thru my teeth,, I do 20 reps a set and my partner starts off dropping it with medium force and by the last drops he is slamming me with it... you put your arms up by your head and when the ball hits you it naturally bounces, you then catch it on the rebound and throw it back to him,,, advanced training takes 2 partners and in between the medicine ball bounce a second partner kneels to your side and hits your abdomen with a hammerfist in between every ball drop,,, this is quite hard and I don't recommend it at first or for a very long time. The medicine ball we use is 14 pounds.... hope this helps. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:16:25 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Chest Protectors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The style of fighting was (and is) Olympic-style sparring. The 14-year-old was training for the Olympic Team Trials five hours a day. He is now 19, and most people don't like to take a hit from him. [He doesn't like to take a hit from most of the people he spars with either. : ) ] Most Olympic-style people try very hard to avoid a hit of any kind (because it might be a point), but I've never seen anyone wearing good quality sparring gear get hurt where they're covered. I HAVE, on the other hand, seen major problems (breaks, sprains, bruises) where there is no covering of the body. Any time you're in Ohio, I invite you to come by and join an elite sparring class. My son has a class on Saturdays, and he cross-trains on Wednesdays with a lady who was a heavyweight USTU team member for many years. I believe she would also be happy to have you come and cross-train. My guess is that when you've tried a round of training with some elite Olympic-style athletes, you'll never want to be without a hogu when sparring them. Sally --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "ISA CONSULTATION GROUP" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:40:18 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mississippi tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For all you folks in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia and elsewhere: EventName: 2nd Annual Battle of the Bayou Tournament Telephone: 662-836-5668 or 662-836-5847 zip_postal: 38721 state_province: Mississippi Seminar_Cost: 20.00 email: drdarylrcovington@yahoo.com or middelta001@yahoo.com Start_date: Nov. 9th Instructors: Dr. Daryl R. Covington and Barbara Sullivan country: USA city: Straight Bayou Location: Mississippi Start_time: 8 a.m. Extra_Info_Needs -------------------- You are invited to attend the November 9th, 2nd Annual Battle of the Bayou Tournament, to be held in Straight Bayou, Mississippi, from 8 a.m. until. The events will be Forms, Weapons, Breaking, Continuous Sparring, Point Sparring, self defense, and Grappling. These divisions will be broken donw by experience, age, and size. The event is a "PREREGISTRATION" event only, meaning all tournament entry fees and applications must be received no later than Oct. 31st. The entry fee will be 20.00 Dollars for 1 or 2 events, and 25.00 Dollars for 3 or more events. There will be a $3.00 dollar spectator fee for all spectators. You may pre order spectator tickets as well. (Coaches will need one as well) Championship medals will be given for top places in each division, and a Grandchampion Trophy will be given based on point accumulation. Also, we will have back, by popular demand, the "Last Man On" event, which is an open division. All tournament officials will be predesignated, so black belts, you won't have to worry about being "scooped" up to judge. This will let you focus on getting your students to the right ring and the right time. Instructors, please email as soon as possible and let me know the number of students you expect to participate. The rules are as follows: Point Sparring: Light Contact, no Facial Contact except at the Black Belt Level. 2 Minute Rounds, or to 5 points. One point awarded for punches and kicks to head, chest, and kidney areas only. Boot to Boot foot check / sweeps allowed to front foot only. Holding allowed only for 1 Second. Leg Checks allowed, but no point will be scored. Continuous Sparring: Medium Contact, no Facial Contact. 3 - 30 second rounds, with no break time between, scored on a 10 point must system. For Both sparring events, competitors must wear hand pads, foot pads, head gear, mouth piece, and groin protector if male. Grappling: Striking allowed to body only, when standing. No striking a down opponent and no striking on the ground. 1 - 2 minute round. Winner by submission, center official stoppage, or will go to the judges after 2 minutes with no submission. Gloves, mouth piece, and groin protectors for males required. Forms: Open division, to include all TRADITIONAL korean, japanese, chinese, kenpo, etc. No musical or ecletic forms. Weapons: Open division for all Traditional weapons forms, no eclectic or musical. Sync. forms: Open division for all types of forms. Self Defense: 1 min. 30 Second Max. (All participating on team must pay entry fee. Only 1 award PER TEAM). ALL FIGHTING EVENTS ARE SINGLE ELIMINATION! This will be a nationally sanctioned event. There will be a concession stand. No food is allowed in competition area. Please fill out the following form for each competitor and have them returned no later than Oct. 31st. _________________________________________________________________________ name: age: Height: Weight: Experience (Total time in Martial arts): 3 months and under, 4 to 8 months, 9 months to 1 year, 1 year +, 2 years +, 3 or more years Belt Color: Events to compete in: Continuous Sparring, Grappling, Point Sparring, forms, weapons, breaking, self defense I hereby release SBMAA, SBBC, Karate For Christ, its instructors, all tournament officials and participants, the facility owner, and others attending from any responsibility for any injury I may incur while participating in the Second Annual Battle of the Bayou. This is to include accidents caused by negligence on anyone's part. Sign: _______________________________________________________________ Date: _______________________________________________________________ Parent Signature (If under 18): ___________________________________________ Date: _______________________________________________________________ Please attach check to each form, made payable to SBMAA (There will be a 50.00 service charge for any returned checks) Mail forms to: Dr. Daryl R. Covington 157 CHurch Road Anguilla, Ms. 38721 For additional information, contact: Dr. Daryl R. Covington 662-836-5668 or Barbara Sullivan 662-836-5847 George Petrotta http://4dw.net/sungjado _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 11 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:58:34 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Community Involvement Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I teach self-defense classes for school, church, and community groups, both at my location and theirs. These have included Boy Scouts - single den, Girl Scouts - teen girl district retreats with multiple classes for over 100 participants, homeschool groups of various age ranges, WSD for church groups, and open classes for the community. I have driven up to 90 min. one-way to provide this service. Most of the time I go alone, but on occasion, I have taken another BB or senior student to help who have also been willing to donate their time. Classes are usually free, but occasionally low-cost. We have found that for adults, attendance is better when the participants have invested monetarily in the class. For church groups, serving refreshments is the key to a larger turnout. :) By their request, we (my school) have also provided free demos and child safety presentations for libraries, churches, and community events, and have sponsored our local Little League. These events very rarely yield any new students for us, but my instructor has always given his approval. He has taught many, many of these classes over his years of teaching and continues to do so. Sharon --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest