Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:10:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #483 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: FLA (Ray Terry) 2. RE: which martial art? (Jeremy) 3. Re:Which Martial Art? (Richard Zaruba) 4. Grey Beard Jumping (Randall Sexton) 5. Han Mu Do (Chris Holmes) 6. Hi Chris (bredfield) 7. Re:Which Martial Art? (Jye nigma) 8. Re: Fear of Jumping (Jye nigma) 9. Hapkido Hyung (Beungood@aol.com) 10. Jump Side Kick (Niya Moon) 11. re: Fear of Jumping (Miguel) 12. Re: Hitting First (ABurrese@aol.com) 13. Re: Han Mu Do (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: FLA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does that chubby grandmaster resemble "Flounder" from animal house and have > an equally fat wife? Does he with a super Fat Yudo "Master" ? who ,when > wearing his dobuk, looks like he has a labcoat on? Folks, please. Let us keep the wife/spouse, parents, kids, etc. of certain folks out of the discussion. IMHO, just no need to go there. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jeremy" To: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:07:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: which martial art? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Daniel writes: "I understand that it is not possible to answer questions like "What is the best martial art?", because they are simply different, not better or worse. I guess it depends on what is the best art for one specific person. But how do I know what is best for me"? Hmm... Some people on this list may disagree with me, but I think your effort is better spent comparing schools than comparing arts. You will have a better experience with a great school and a less then perfect for you art, then at a bad school with the right art. I encourage you to find out what schools are around you and visit them. Most will probably let you take a class, or at least watch. True, it would be nice to pick an art then compare schools of that art, but depending on the area you live in you may not have that option. I find that in Chicago, a well populated US city, there's actually relatively slim pickin's of good schools. So what makes a good school? My opinion is that you tell from the students. How serious are they? You should find a way to ask them. Do they tend to stick around? Ask how long they've been there. Do they respect the teacher and the art? Visit enough schools and you'll get an idea of what you want to do. I encourage those on the list with more experience to offer what they think makes a good school and what else to watch for. Jeremy Callner 1st dan kuk sool/hapkido --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:15:00 -0500 Subject: Re:[The_Dojang] Which Martial Art? From: Richard Zaruba To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Daniel, Welcome to the list. I think you would be better off looking for a good instructor than a specific art. Find an instructor who has the same type of ideals that you have written in your post. While one art may seem to be better than others, it usually comes down to the martial artist and his training, not the art. When you visit a martial arts school talk to the both the instructors and their students, watch a class and decide if the class is right for you. A couple of easy questions to think about during this is would I want the people in this dojang as my friends? Can you see clear differences between the different ranks skill wise? Does the instructor teach in a way that would work for you? If your answer is "yes" or at least "probably" try out the school and see if it is right for you? If your answer is "no" to one or more questions I would look elsewhere. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Rich _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba Department of Anatomy & Cell Biology University of North Dakota School of Medicine 501 North Columbia Road P.O. Box 9037 Grand Forks, ND 58202-9037 zaruba@medicine.nodak.edu 701.777.2576 work 701.777.2477 fax --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:01:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grey Beard Jumping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "......Good morning, I am young at martial arts however in my 50's. I seem to have a terrible fear of jumping especially for the jump side kick. To jump from a standing position seems to overcome me with fear. Can anyone help with any techniques to overcome this fear, especially of my legs not seeming strong enough to hold my fall?...." Jumping is for Kangeroos, flying is for birds. You can't change course while in the air. Train for the techniques that you can still use when you're 90. How about dropping and rolling to cover distance then kick from the ground, lie there a while to catch your breath, then get your walker up and criuse on out of there! Randall Sexton (51 yrs old) www.laughinghara.com "Nothing is more important than the existence of what does not exist" John Hawes --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Chris Holmes" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:30:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Han Mu Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Jack, Go back to Master Kincade's post and take the link to the Dr. Kimm interview. This should answer most of your questions. I know Master Kincade has already extended and invitation to the list, but I would like to echo it. Come on down to the November seminar and see what makes us different. Han, Chris Holmes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:39:44 -0400 From: bredfield Subject: [The_Dojang] Hi Chris Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net welcome to the board Chris, I lurk alot more than I post, but I thought I would let you know I am still here : ) How is Master Art, I will be stopping by your school soon, just had day surgery a few weeks ago and don't want to be rippin' the new scars, of course you know me, i cut off the disolving stitches, haha, they didn't desolve fast enough for me, look forward to sweating up the mat with you, maybe i'll see if I can coax along a cop you know, he needs some mat time ; ) Bernard(bg) --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re:[The_Dojang] Which Martial Art? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Great advice. I stay away from schools that guarantee black belts by a certain time too. Jye --- Richard Zaruba wrote: > Hello Daniel, > > Welcome to the list. I think you would be better off > looking for a good > instructor than a specific art. Find an instructor > who has the same type of > ideals that you have written in your post. While one > art may seem to be > better than others, it usually comes down to the > martial artist and his > training, not the art. When you visit a martial arts > school talk to the both > the instructors and their students, watch a class > and decide if the class is > right for you. A couple of easy questions to think > about during this is > would I want the people in this dojang as my > friends? Can you see clear > differences between the different ranks skill wise? > Does the instructor > teach in a way that would work for you? If your > answer is "yes" or at least > "probably" try out the school and see if it is right > for you? If your answer > is "no" to one or more questions I would look > elsewhere. Hope this helps. > > Sincerely, > Rich > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zaruba > Department of Anatomy & Cell Biology > University of North Dakota School of Medicine > 501 North Columbia Road > P.O. Box 9037 > Grand Forks, ND 58202-9037 > zaruba@medicine.nodak.edu > 701.777.2576 work > 701.777.2477 fax > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fear of Jumping To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Mike, don't say you can't jump as high. The mind is what determines what you can and can't do. First, envision it in you minds eye, then try to perform it just as you see it in your mind's eye. Pretty soon, you'll do it. Jye --- mfalba@cox.net wrote: > Hey Pat: > > I'm 45 years old and have been practicing Tae Kwon > Do for about three years now. I work out > religiously at least three times per week if not > more. One thing that I found early on is that > jumping is a large part of the program, and one is > definitely at a disadvantage beginning at a later > age. Gravity has a much more profound effect on me > than my younger classmates, but practice has worked > and and I have reached Cho Dan Bo level. Hopefully I > will test for 1st Dan sometime next summer. I will > tell you how it's worked for me. > > I Warm up and stretch well before class. For my > jumping techniques, I go through the motions without > jumping prior to jumping, and I don't over exert > myself. That way when I need to perform and show a > technique, I'm ready. > > When I first started jumping, jump side kick, jump > spinning kick, etc., I was so uncoordinated that I > became disoriented during the technique and hit the > deck often. There for, I practiced on a mat and > tried not to jump too, too high so that if I did go > down, I didn't get hurt. With practice, and > practice as well as good instruction I think was the > key, the techniques became smoother and I became > more confident. > > I can't at age 45 jump as high as my 25 year old > classmates, but I can jump fairly well for my age. > And through careful practice, warming up well and > stretching, using gym mats, etc., I have been able > to get to where I am without injury. Another benefit > of TKD is that over the last three years I have > become about 40 lbs lighter which has decreased wear > and tear in my joints and frame and that has been > helpful. > > I can relate to the fear factor and that at a later > age we do not get up as fast, or heal as fast as we > did when we were younger, but keep practicing and > don't give up. You will get to where you need to > be. > > Good luck. > > Mike Falba > New Orleans, LA > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:15:32 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/11/02 2:34:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Obviously one would not expect KSW, > KSD, HRD or even Sin Mu Hapkido to practice hyung of GM Myungs' > organization.Thanks again. > > I think another large Hapkido Organization practice a Hyung. I think it is only one long hyung. Maybe anohter listmeber can answer this question better? Jack --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Niya Moon" To: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:53:52 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jump Side Kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Hi Pat You didn't mention whether you're new the the MA, returning after a long absence, or what. If its either of those things, I'd advise you to listen to your body - its telling you its not ready for that level of stress yet. After a few months of several-times-per-week TKD workouts though, you should begin to feel more confident. In the meantime, when jumps are called for, work on the fundamentals. Be in control when you start the jump (pause and steady yourself if necessary), jump up instead of out, and focus on completing the motions of the kick, even if your foot doesn't move very much from the vertical (kick at a target below your waist). As you become more skilled at linking the movements together, your confidence in landing will improve, as you'll be sure that you can get your feet under you following the kick. <> Dear Pat, Master Wallace has some excellent advice, I would add... When I learned this technique from M Lee, Chong (Charlie) he had us use a dance bar. Put one hand on the dance bar for moral support, and do the jump and tuck the legs up high to the chest. This went on for a few weeks of class before we began to tuck the trailing leg and shoot out the bladed foot, still on the dance bar. This "negative rep" helps you build up your leg strength, basic motor skills and timing for the kick along with confidence about doing the kick. By belt test time most of us could do Jump Side Kick without the bar, and even if waist high or lower, we had the bladed kick and tucked trailing leg. FWIW, if you have any fear left about the landing I would practice the kick with the trailing leg hanging straight down (Closer to the ground and in a position that wont fold the ankle if your timing is off). Train with Jung Do in your heart The rest is commentary, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TangSooDo --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Miguel" To: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:38:29 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Fear of Jumping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pat; I am a Black Belt in your age club. The trick to an effective jump kick is to get both feet off the ground; one tucks, the other one kicks. Otherwise you look like those long-legged mosquitoes that fly with their legs hanging down. Try this. Take a kicking shield (foam shield normally about 2x3) and place it on the floor along its long, narrow edge in front of the kick bag. Don't go crazy but gently practice your jump side kick so that when you land you are on the other side. Note: my definition may differ from others but, a jump kick is different from a flying kick in that with flying kick you strike the target while both feet are still in the air and a jump kick you strike the target at the same time that you land. For a jump spinning back kick, place the shield in the same manner and this time straddle it. Practice jumping so that your knees tuck up high at the same time that you spin 180* to another straddle on the shield (no kicking at this time). Do this a lot. When confidence sinks in, try adding the kick. Miguel http://garciatkd.com [if you can't beat your computer at chess. try kickboxing] --__--__-- Message: 12 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:02:19 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hitting First Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have not read the mentioned article, but agree with Vic Cushing that at times you need to hit first, and much that is taught in Hapkido can be used with you initiating the movement, not waiting to be grabbed or punched at. Heck, it was in the Trial of Billy Jack, in the big battle at the end that featured Hapkido GM Han, where Billy said something like, "One thing I learned is if you are going to take a licking, might as well get in the first hit." That's similar to what Vic was saying. If you KNOW physical violence is about to happen and are in danger, a first strike can save your life. I often teach and show beginning HKD students the importance of learning the first set of joint locks from the wrist grab is that these techniques keep coming back. The same techniques are used from different grabs, defending against punches, and yes, with you starting it. One set of self-defense techniques we practice and teach has the attacker just standing there. You initiate all movement and move in and lock the person up. This has been very valuable working security and the like. I've gone up to someone and locked them up before they knew what was going on, and then took them outside. That's another good thing about HKD, you can control the damage you do. The same lock and principle can restrain someone, or it can hurt them seriously, it is up to you to recognize what force is needed in the situation and act accordingly. So even though I have not seen the mentioned article, a good Hapkidoin is not only good at defense, but good at offense as well, and sometimes the old saying about a good offense being good defense is true. Sometimes you need to act first, and HKD gives tools to do that. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Han Mu Do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > echo it. Come on down to the November seminar and see what makes us > different. When in November? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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