Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:51:27 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #488 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Which Martial Art? (Kirk Lawson) 2. Harsh Master (Patrick L) 3. Sports injuries (Beungood@aol.com) 4. Re: Insurance (Jason & Nicole Swanson) 5. The critical visiting Master (CHRISPEN GRECO) 6. Water energy of Tang Soo Do (CHRISPEN GRECO) 7. "Self Defense Night" (FirstPe315@aol.com) 8. Harsh Test (FirstPe315@aol.com) 9. Rank Test Master (Nathan Miller) 10. West Seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 11. Re: (no subject) (Ray Terry) 12. Re: Sip Soo Hyung (Laurie S.) 13. Who will be at Carol Stream this weekend? (jmchie@wideopenwest.com) 14. TKD testing time question... (Linda Valdivia) 15. RE: TKD testing time question... (Wallace, John) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:17:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Which Martial Art? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:56:16 +0100 > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: ds > Subject: [The_Dojang] Which Martial Art? > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Hi, > This is actually my first post. I understand that this forum is > specialized in Korean martial arts, but maybe you can also help me > with a little more general question. > My name is Daniel and I would like to start training a martial art. I > just don't know which one and I thought you could maybe help me > deciding, since my knowledge is extremely limited. > I understand that it is not possible to answer questions like "What > is the best martial art?", because they are simply different, not > better or worse. I guess it depends on what is the best art for one > specific person. But how do I know what is best for me? > I will start by giving you some information about myself. Maybe then > you could suggest a fitting art. > I am 19 years old, male, 1.86 m (about 6'2") tall and weigh about 75 > kg. I have two main goals concerning training martial arts. First: I > want to learn street-appliable self-defense. Second: I want to shape > my character, explore myself, etc. I have no interest whatsoever in > taking part in competitions or other sporting events. > I have already spent some time looking through the internet for > information. I think I prefer well balanced martial arts, that use > soft and hard techniques, punches and kicks and locks and utiliarize > circular as well as linear motions, while tending more to circular > and soft than to linear and hard movements. Also it should not be > extremely physically demanding. I do not want to spent all of my free > time doing body workouts. But since I have absolutely no experience > with martial arts, I would not take these preferences too seriously, > since they might change when I start training something and begin to > understand what that stuff is all about. > By browsing the web I have found the following arts to be interesting: > > HapKiDo > Wing Chun > Jeet Kune Do > Baguazhang (Pa Kua Chang) > Hwa Rang Do > Praying Mantis (Tanglangquan/Tanglangpai) > Shogerijutsu > Shuaijiao > Xingyiquan > Yoseikan Budo > > Now, the problem is, that in order to really decide between these > arts, I guess I would have to try them all out. And not only once, > but for a year at least. > That is, of course, not possible. :-( > That's why I am asking for your help. Daniel, Try taking a look at: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/martial-arts/ Especially the "Newbie Guide" Kirk Lawson Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:42:13 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Harsh Master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Student, Masters are human too, and harshness comes from various places. If you are committed to your martial art, then nothing will stop you from training. Frequently students lend too much weight to a statement made by a teacher/master. Reflect on what was said, judge your performance and the Master's comments, and move on. >I tested for my green belt today (10/12/02) and I have to say the Master >who was grading kind of harsh.< Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:01:56 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sports injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/14/02 12:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Greetings All, > A couple years back, there was a published article on various sports > > injuries that listed martial arts in the ranking. I think it could have > been > BB Anyone have any home remedies to aid in healing and quicker recovery? JAck --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jason & Nicole Swanson" To: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:15:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Insurance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:17:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: Charles Richards > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] insurance > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I'm looking for recommendations on who to use for insurance, both > general > liablility for day to day classes, etc. and also event coverage for a > tournament. Has anyone had a particularly good or bad experience you > might > share? > > Jason what size is your club? That will help with the suggestions > 0-15, 15-30, 30-100, etc.? > > ALso how far are you from Omaha, or can you reccomend a good TSD or > traditional TKD school in Omaha? > > Yours in Jung Do, > > Charles Richards > Moja Kwan TSD Charles, I have about 85 students now. One of my instructors could potentially be opening a branch school in the near future that would be about 24 students to start. So I could use information that would be pertinent to both large and small schools. With regard to a recommendation on an Omaha school...Omaha is about 50 miles away. I believe there is only one TSD school in Omaha. When you say traditional TKD do you mean non USTU? My recommendation on a TKD school would be Shin's Academy. They teach TKD, Judo and Hapkido but they are USTU. Best Regards, Jason Swanson Swanson's Tae Kwon Do --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRISPEN GRECO To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The critical visiting Master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please don't get down on yourself about the commits of the visiting Sa Bom. If your instructor tells you that your technique is coming along fine, as he see fit, then that's all the concern you should have with it. The attitude and philosophy that I share about the Martial Arts is that "It's not about the destination, but the path leading to it." This surely applies to the subject of Shim Gung(testing). If you were doing your best, and your attitude was good, you've already passed your test. Please remember that everyone holds different aspects of the Martial Arts sacred in different ways. The truth is, the fact that this guest Sa Bom was so critical probably had very little to do with you. Although I'm not as presumptuous to say that I know what this Sa Bom was trying to convey to you, I think that maybe he was trying to motivate you and there was something lost in the translation. Everything changes when you sit on a testing board and your outside looking in. As long as your connection with your instructor and your art are strong, I believe that you are on the right path. Enjoy every second and experience that you may while your on it(even the distasteful ones), because once you change paths you may never revisit the ones previously traveled. Only reflect. Soo Bahk!!! Chrispen Greco --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRISPEN GRECO To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Water energy of Tang Soo Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Mathew, The fire and water principle is rooted in all of the Martial arts, although I'm not sure that all the Martial Arts teach the awareness of them. Anytime that you practice your Shin Chook(tension and relaxation) concept you are in fact using that very same energy. The water and fire principle comes from the Oering-Heng. Together with the Pal-Gwe make up the Ship Sam Se(thirteen influences of the Martial Arts). Soo Bahk Do (Tang Soo) teaches very heavily on this matter. As to save space, I will E-Mail you a copy of the Oering-Heng, Pal-Gwe, and Ship Sam Se directly. I hope this helps you with your question. As for individual techniques that are of the "water principal", I don't know of any in Soo Bahk Do(Tang Soo Do). Only the "Yu" (softer style) techniques which emphasize this kind of energy. Soo Bahk!!! Chrispen Greco --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:59:47 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] "Self Defense Night" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/11/2002 6:38:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > > I am a student of tae kwon do, my instructor also > has "self defense" night at the dojang. His self > defense routines are a collection of wrist > manipulations performed with the students facing each > other. There is no other body movements involved to > effect the technique such as in judo, where you you > move your body in certain directions in order to > perform the technique. Could this be Hapkido he is > teaching us? > Perhaps I'm insensitive. Perhaps somebody else has already said this. Or maybe both. But you might ask your instructor!!!!!!! Jeff --__--__-- Message: 8 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:33:48 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Harsh Test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/14/2002 3:09:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I tested for my green belt today (10/12/02) and I have to say the Master who > > was grading kind of harsh. > > Although it sounds a little harsh for a Green-Belt test, this is just the way some testing is. I agree with the comments by another that you should believe, if your instructor tells you, that your technique, for your level, is sufficient. Take the test as a learning process. Heck, all of my tests were nerve-raking experiences. We never have "pat on your back" tests. Although negative remarks are kept to a minimum for the first several color belts, by the time you get to Brown, Black belt, your testing (in my opinion) should be what you need to work on, not what you're doing good at. These were always "gut-check" tests anyway. You'll grow through the experience. Just train hard, stay focused and understand it for what it probably is...for this instructor...just the way he does things. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Rank Test Master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wouldn't frte the comments too much; no matter what an outside source says, listen to your own instructor. Half the time, as others have already said, rank tests are mind games anyway. I know my brown belt test was. My instructor called in two other black belts whose entire job was to try to make us nervous, make us doubt ourselves - even the people who weren't actually testing, just assisting. Talk to your instructor about your worries. If he does say you need work, then practice extra hard; see if he or another senior student can help you with your self defense. By the way, did you pass? Nathan --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:06:00 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: Subject: [The_Dojang] West Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings: I wish everyone heading to JR West's seminar this weekend a great time training. Since I am hosting a tournament on the same weekend, some of the nkmaa members will be there without their Instructors. I hope Master Mac will take care of them, because they have never been to such an event. Take care, and have loads of fun. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] (no subject) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > hey where exactly in fort worth is the 22nd tekno tkd tournament. just > curious-i would like to go but i am not sure on the location. Check the ustu website. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:30:16 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sip Soo Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris wrote: <<<>>> Can't help ya there. My old TSD assn dropped that form (I donno why), but I have seen it performed before from a few of the higher ranking dans. I don't remember though. <<<>>> I know that the forms I saw from three different assn's were the same. That was ITF, IMA, and Master Mac's site. I even used Master Mac's site to learn Pyung Ahn Sam Dan (the first half of it anyways), and it was right (according to my TSD instructor). Maybe others have seen forms performed differently. But with my limited experience, I haven't. Althought, in TKD I HAVE seen it. My school does Taegeuk Sam Jang different than the WTF. I have the vids and CD ROM of the WTF Forms performed by Korean Matsers (not that that makes a difference, but ...), and my school does it different. But, so far, that's the only one. <<<>>> That's interesting. I was always taught the c-step and wide stances in TSD. I still do them even though I do TKD now (supposed to be more up-right stances ... :oP ). I prolly didn't help much, but I hope I did :o) Laurie High Green Belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: jmchie@wideopenwest.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:18:11 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Who will be at Carol Stream this weekend? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to see if anyone is going to be at the Hapkido seminar in Carol Stream this weekend. I am going to be attending 3 sessions--Advanced Hand Techniques 2:30 - 4:00 Saturday; Basic Moves 10:00 - 11:30 Sunday; and Counter Throws 2:30 - 4:00 Sunday. I don't know how y'all usually meet up with people at seminars, I heard there would be 50 people per session. I'll be in a plain black training uniform, 3rd degree brown belt. I'm about 6'2", 220 although people unfairly and graciously claim I don't look that heavy :) and I have a goatee. Feel free to say hi if you run into me. Jim McHie Jr. http://www.horizonmartialarts-wellness.com/ --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda Valdivia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD testing time question... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all. I have been lurking here for about 6 months, and I love reading all the posts and I have learned so much. I am a 6th gup Green belt in TKD. I am also in the 'over 40' crowd! I attempted to study TKD when I was a teenager, but never got in more than a few months of training, and I always intended to return. I decided last year that I wasn't getting any younger and it was now or never. One of the best decisions I ever made. Anyway, I have a question for the TKD people on the list. I am curious... how often do you test (at the colored belt level)? Besides being based on readiness, is anything else considered, such as passage of time (# of months) or # of hours of training? Also, on average, how many hours per week do you train in the dojang? Like I said, I am just curious. Linda ===== "That which does not kill me makes me stronger" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TKD testing time question... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:17:28 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Linda: I'm recently out of the colored belt ranks, so I'm qualified to speak, I think. At 9 to 3rd gup I tested (or was qualified to test) at about 8 week intervals. My dojang actually subdivides the gup ranks a little more finely (16 belt/advanced belt levels) than is traditional though. 2nd and 1st gup took longer between testing invitations (four months), and my I Dan testing was six months after my last colored belt test. My daughter was born four days before my testing date though, so I skipped the test until the next round 6 months later. Only a 1st time Dad once! Enjoy the journey, test when you're ready and keep at it. John W. I Dan, TKD Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: Linda Valdivia [mailto:ljvaldivia@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:27 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD testing time question... Hi all. I have been lurking here for about 6 months, and I love reading all the posts and I have learned so much. I am a 6th gup Green belt in TKD. I am also in the 'over 40' crowd! I attempted to study TKD when I was a teenager, but never got in more than a few months of training, and I always intended to return. I decided last year that I wasn't getting any younger and it was now or never. One of the best decisions I ever made. Anyway, I have a question for the TKD people on the list. I am curious... how often do you test (at the colored belt level)? Besides being based on readiness, is anything else considered, such as passage of time (# of months) or # of hours of training? Also, on average, how many hours per week do you train in the dojang? Like I said, I am just curious. Linda ===== "That which does not kill me makes me stronger" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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