Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:02:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #490 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: TKD Testing Time Question (Piotr Bernat) 2. Re: Sip Soo Hyung (Joshua Duncan) 3. TKD testing (Todd) 4. Specials (Morgan James) 5. Re: Fear of Jumping (Divetony@aol.com) 6. Testing (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Re: Fear of Jumping (Jye nigma) 8. Re: calendars (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 9. Can-Am Classics (Rudy Timmerman) 10. Re; Sip Soo Hyung (Joshua Duncan) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Piotr Bernat To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:05:10 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TKD Testing Time Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am curious... how often do you test (at the > colored belt level)? Besides being based on > readiness, is anything else considered, such as > passage of time (# of months) or # of hours of > training? Also, on average, how many hours per week > do you train in the dojang? Hi Linda, testing in my school is generally done twice a year (January and June). There is an additional testing at the end of the annual summer camp. The camp lasts between 10 and 14 days and training is about 5 hours daily. Generally, very few students decide to test during the camp, but it`s always something special. And of course, I look for the attitude, class attendance etc. As we are a bit freestyled TKD, the most important parts of testing are: patterns (WTF or ITF - we have students from different backgrounds; the base is WTF, but if someone wants to continue the previous ITF patterns training, that`s OK with me as well, anyway - 1 set of patterns has to be known); lots of sparring in different form - WTF, ITF, sparring with throws and ground fighting allowed; breaking; not too much of a classical stuff like step sparring etc. Depending on the group, training in our school is between 2 and 4 classes a week, 90-100 mins each. Some students also travel between the location we have our branches in to get an additional class, making it 5 classes a week (3 x TKD + 2 x boxing). Regards -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:18:09 -0700 From: Joshua Duncan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sip Soo Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Mr. Holmes, In regards to Sip Soo Hyung, I believe that the "pressing" move can be interpreted in many ways depending on how you look at it and what style you are practicing, and that it is pretty much impossible to tell what the direct interpretation the original creator had in mind. It is like the game of telephone. Over the years with so many people learning and teaching the form it has changed and evolved depending on the practitioner. I am not familair with Tai Chi or Brush Knee technique so I can't offer insight as to that motion or avenue of thought. As for wether the Japanses styles do the technique the same way (I think you mean same as the TSD orgs), I have noticed that the raising up into the one leg stance before the "pressing" is done slowly while when settling done into the pressing technique is done as a faster active technique, so as to my knowledge no it is not done the same way. As for the cresant kicks being used in some TSD orgs and not others, I would have to say that it would be what they choose to emphasize and modify to give it value to their style. The pyong ahn (Tang Soo Do / Soo Bahk Do) and Heian/Pinan (Japanese or Okinawan) forms for example are the "same", but performed with a distinct style that emphasises that art. Pyong Ahn Sam Dan and Pinan 3,as an example, display the different styles, where the Tang Soo Do / Soo Bahk Do practitioners use Outside Inside Cresant Kicks coming back up the middle while Shotokan practitioners don't (that I have seen). The korean stylists include the kick to emphasis their style and interpretation. Are they wrong? Depends on your organization and point of view. How did Huang Kee perform this hyung? I believe you mean Hwang Kee? I have never seen Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee perform it and can only say that in our organization (U.S. Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Fed) which is the direct link to his teachings and philosophy, we perform the hyung without creasant kicks. Ultimately all I can say is to learn the form as it is taught in your style and not be too concerned with who's organization is "right" or "wrong" and to just enjoy the experience and expression of your art. I wish you all the best in your search for knowledge. Humbly yours, Joshua Duncan --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Todd" To: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:52:42 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Linda, In reply to your question re: TKD testing times, I am 2nd kup brown belt in TKD in Australia under Master Chong Chul Rhee, we are qualified (if our instructor approves) to attend "grading" (testing) each 3 months on a set date only for our region. This is during the coloured belt phase. It can take many years for a black belt to acquire his 2nd dan. This may seem tough, but once achieved is a very satisfying & honourable achievement. We train a minimum of twice a week in dojang, 1.5 to 2 hours per session. Hope this helps, Todd --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Morgan James To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:39:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Specials Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am interested in learning everyone's ideas for increasing enrollment within their own dojang. I am fully aware that the best type of advertisement is word of mouth. But do any of you have any "specials" that you run throughout the year? If so, what are they? Do some of you use a "Bring a Friend Night" or something similar? What little things similar to this do you do to help increase your own enrollements? What works best for you? Thanks to everyone who replies. James Morgan GTKDA www.gtkda.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:19:19 -0400 From: Divetony@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Fear of Jumping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am so glad to see the postings from older practioners. I am 42 and find that at about the time of my 3rd or usually 4th workout of the week I am worn out. I have been getting discouraged by this but I see here I'm just going through the normal aging process. I'm testing for 2nd Gup (Red belt in our school) next week, knowing that the hardest part is ahead of me in working toward the 1st Dan. I have slowly been learning to back off a little during class and trying to conserve some energy, when I tire I get sloppy. This is particularly clear when we spar, usually at the end of class. I'm trying to learn to pace myself there too. I guess this is where the wisdom part starts to kick in, even though the mind wants me to do what I could 20 years ago. Perseverence is the key isn't it. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fwiw, some ancient history... When I began in Tang Soo Do back in the dark ages we only tested once a year. Seems like as time goes on people test more and more frequently. Some schools now actually test every two or three weeks. More income from test fees make for a happier instructor... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Fear of Jumping To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You working on the outside, but some of the answers to being profiecent at the martial arts are on the inside, meaning check your diet. Are you eating plenty of NATURAL energy giving fruits, veggies, etc? Does your diet consist of alot of saturated fats, and junk food? Jye --- Divetony@aol.com wrote: > I am so glad to see the postings from older > practioners. I am 42 and find that at about the time > of my 3rd or usually 4th workout of the week I am > worn out. I have been getting discouraged by this > but I see here I'm just going through the normal > aging process. I'm testing for 2nd Gup (Red belt in > our school) next week, knowing that the hardest part > is ahead of me in working toward the 1st Dan. > I have slowly been learning to back off a little > during class and trying to conserve some energy, > when I tire I get sloppy. This is particularly clear > when we spar, usually at the end of class. I'm > trying to learn to pace myself there too. I guess > this is where the wisdom part starts to kick in, > even though the mind wants me to do what I could 20 > years ago. > Perseverence is the key isn't it. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:18:50 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: calendars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I time I'm interested in creating a 2003 Korean calendar for my HKD club and was wondering if anyone knew of a company that makes them. Thanks! Ali " hi ali, tur tlepress put out a really neat one last year. you might want to check with cynthia kim on that question. help@turtlepress.com take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2003 Annual Show Me State Open Martial Arts Tournament --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:41:57 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Can-Am Classics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings everyone: This weekend, I will host the 32nd annual Can-Am Classics tournament in Sault Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada. A number of members of the National Korean Martial Arts Association will travel here to attend the tournament, the free Referee clinic on Friday night, as well as the technique workshop on the Sunday following the Can-Am (this is the reason why we can't make it to Master West's event). It is my sincere hope that all of the travelers to Master West's event or mine will have a very safe journey. For those who are not familiar with the Can-Am, it is a friendly gathering of likeminded people who enjoy each other's company, the competition, and the learning at the seminars I host. All interested martial artists are most welcome, and more information can be had by giving me a shout at kwanjang@nkmaa.ca. The material we will cover on Sunday depends somewhat on the needs and/or requests of attendees. Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:57 -0700 From: Joshua Duncan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re; Sip Soo Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Mr. Holmes, In regards to Sip Soo Hyung, I believe that the "pressing" move can be interpreted in many ways depending on how you look at it and what style you are practicing, and that it is pretty much impossible to tell what the direct interpretation the original creator had in mind. It is like the game of telephone. Over the years with so many people learning and teaching the form it has changed and evolved depending on the practitioner. I am not familair with Tai Chi or Brush Knee technique so I can't offer insight as to that motion or avenue of thought. As for wether the Japanses styles do the technique the same way (I think you mean same as the TSD orgs), I have noticed that in Japanese styles the raising up into the one leg stance before the "pressing" is done slowly while when settling down into the pressing technique is done as a faster active technique, so as to my knowledge no it is not done the same way. As for the cresant kicks being used in some TSD orgs and not others, I would have to say that it would be what they choose to emphasize and modify to give it value to their style. The pyong ahn (Tang Soo Do / Soo Bahk Do) and Heian/Pinan (Japanese or Okinawan) forms for example are the "same", but performed with a distinct style that emphasises that art. Pyong Ahn Sam Dan and Pinan 3,as an example, display the different styles, where the Tang Soo Do / Soo Bahk Do practitioners use Outside Inside Cresant Kicks coming back up the middle while Shotokan practitioners don't (that I have seen). The korean stylists include the kick to emphasis their style and interpretation. Are they wrong? Depends on your organization and point of view. How did Huang Kee perform this hyung? I believe you mean Hwang Kee? I have never seen Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee perform it and can only say that in our organization (U.S. Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Fed) which is the direct link to his teachings and philosophy, we perform the hyung without creasant kicks. Ultimately all I can say is to learn the form as it is taught in your style and not be too concerned with who's organization is "right" or "wrong" and to just enjoy the experience and expression of your art. I wish you all the best in your search for knowledge. Humbly yours, Joshua Duncan --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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