Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:29:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #497 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. 3rd Indoor Brussels 2002 International Championship (fwd) (Ray Terry) 2. RE: Another question regarding weightloss/stamina (Stovall, Craig) 3. RE: What is a Kip-up (Ates, Michelle (ATESML)) 4. Re: On Fat Fools (Jye nigma) 5. Re: Martial Arts Weapons - Fans (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Re: Shipalgi (Roberto Facundo Memoli) 7. JR West seminar update (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 8. Special Thanks To Master Kuns (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 9. Ship Pal Gi (Ray Terry) 10. Ship Pal Gi (Mac) 11. Re: Ship Pal Gi (Jye nigma) 12. Fan in Korean martial arts (Andrew Pratt) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Indoor Brussels 2002 International Championship (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: The USTU fielded a team to the 3rd Indoor Brussels 2002 International Championships. The coaches list for Belgium tournament: Jason Poos Sonny Whang Scott Fuji Troy Garr Referee: Leon Preston The following are the results from Saturday, 10/19/02, for the website: Men's Light: Ryan Klonek 6 Belgium 8 Women's Light: (Paper Scoring in this ring) Elizabeth Mohammed 5 Belgium 8 Women's Fin: Danielle Holmquist 5 (GOLD) USA (WTM) 1 Women's Middle: Sanaz Shabazi 11 (GOLD) Belgium (National Team) 10 Sunday, 10/20 - Tournament complete 10:00 p.m. The following individuals won gold in today's competition: Tony Graf Kay Poe Taylor Stone Heidi Gilbert Diana Lopez Simona Hradil Alisha Voren won silver (bowed out to Kay Poe) Stewart Gill won bronze despite being very ill Jason Han fought an excellent fight but did not place. Over all the team WON GOLD!!! A great performance by all. We can be extremely proud of our American athletes. Mr. Leon Preston did an excellent job representing our country as referee. The coaches lead by Jason Poos, Sonny Whang, Scott Fuji and Troy Garr did a great job for the athletes--they have an excellent rapport with all of the athletes and contributed fantastic coaching skills. Guyda _____________________________________________________________ US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:00:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Another question regarding weightloss/stamina Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Landa wrote, "Is there a wrong way or right way to exercise to lose body fat? I would like to be totally fit. What is the best way to improve my stamina? I need to be able to spar with my classmates for at least 5 minutes without being winded. I am told to breathe but I find that a little difficult. The masters usually have us to spar for 3 minutes per session." Whenever I'm asked this I usually respond by telling people to take a different route than the usual solution. The intuitive solution is that I should go out and run, jump rope, swim, cycle, spar more intensely, etc., etc. in order to produce a "training effect" and therefore increase my cardiovascular endurance by strengthening the heart and increasing the volume capacity of my lungs. In and of itself, this is not a "wrong" approach, but it is typically pursued to the exclusion of the other alternative. I would offer that you may already have a significant capacity to spar for extended periods of time, but you are unable to exploit this capacity because you are not relaxing and breathing properly when you spar. The example I always give is of my favorite TKD instructor. This was a man of middle-age who no longer trained vigorously. Even by his own admission he was "out of shape". However, he could spar with his students at what seemed to be full speed and power for extended lengths of time. I'm talking 30 to 40 minutes straight. The thing of it is that this "out of shape" person would not exhibit the slightest amount of fatigue. Other than perspiring, you wouldn't know that he had been working out had you just walked into the room. From my observation, he was able to do this because of his incredible capacity to relax and breathe while sparring. His movements contained no more tension than a person who was strolling across a park. Meanwhile, much younger and "better conditioned" martial artists (including myself) would be left wheezing and huffing just to keep up with his pace. The difference was the tension created in our bodies as we sparred. We had tension, and he had little to none at all. A lot of people look at the extreme regimens of professional fighters, and draw the conclusion that it is their conditioning programs that allow them to go 12 to 15 rounds. This is only partly true. I would offer that Lennox Lewis' ability to sustain a fighting performance over the course of a 12 round fight is just as much attributable to his ability to relax and breathe in the ring as to the programs that he follows in his training cycle. Now, this doesn't mean that you shouldn't condition your body through strength and cardiovascular training. Just be aware that it is possible to gain extraordinary results just by learning to move in a relaxed fashion and to control one's breathing. I believe that most champions are those that have learned to do this in addition to doing all of the conditioning exercises. Food for thought. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ates, Michelle (ATESML)" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:16:51 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: What is a Kip-up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes a kip up is when you spring from your back using your shoulders or hands. A tutorial of one can be found at www.trickstutorials.com Michelle L. Ates Michelle.Ates@uc.edu http://Welcome.to/Livin4HIM --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] On Fat Fools To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yeah it's really serious stuff. I am not surprised to find all the great dishes made with only vegetables. My sister makes a vegetable lasagna with a white sauce, and oh boy!!! I can't eat the whole thing. Also one other thing I'd like to point out is for those of us that choose to eat just veggies and fruits this doesn't mean to over eat! All things should be done moderately. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Weapons - Fans To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There are various kung fu styles that use the fan. Even Kuk sool won and Hwarang do I believe. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:49:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Roberto Facundo Memoli To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: Shipalgi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Alain, I have some information about Sipalki/Shippalgi/Sibfalgi/Sibpalki that might help the person you mention. It is my understandig that there are several different styles of this martial art. I have some training in the style Yon Bi Ryu, this style was introduced in South America by GM Soo Nam Yoo 30 years ago (see links 1*, 2* and 3* below). I did some internet-research on Sipalki some time ago. I have the impression that this martial art is not well known in the US. I found only a few dojangs where it is practised in this country. If you cannot find this contact-information in the webpages given below (the ones in spanish) I can help you extract it. You can find a lot of information in the following websites: 1* http://www.sipalki.com (spanish) 2* http://www.sippalki.net/ (korean) 3* http://www.sipalki.com.ar/ (spanish) 4* http://www.muyewon.net/topmain.htm (korean) 5* http://shippalgi.tripod.com/end.html (english) More links can be found searching the web using (for example) www.google.com with one of the romanizations of the name given above. Good luck. Roberto F. Memoli --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:03:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] JR West seminar update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to agree with Mac. The seminar this weekend at Master Kuns Iron Dragon with Master West was both informative and just a down right blast. I would like to Thank Master west and his dan members for their help and williness to work with us all. For those of you who didn't make it I hope to see you next year. Tang Soo Dean Sr. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:06:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Special Thanks To Master Kuns Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to thank Master Kuns for hosting the Seminar in Seabrook Tx this past weekend. As last year he provided an enviroment where we all felt welcome and at home. Tang Soo Dean Sr. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Ship Pal Gi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is info on this in the archives, around v08.n348, 349, 350... For the most part a somewhat recent creation save the version that is flavor of Korean Kung Fu... But not much info on schools or places to train in this Korean Kung Fu-ish style. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Mac" To: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:11:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ship Pal Gi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You may want to check with Master Henry (Hank Murphy) who teaches Ship Pal Gi: http://www.classicmartialarts.com/ Regards, Mac --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ship Pal Gi To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ii am very interested in Ship Pal... an someone provide soome history for me? Jye --- Mac wrote: > You may want to check with Master Henry (Hank > Murphy) who teaches Ship Pal > Gi: > http://www.classicmartialarts.com/ > > Regards, > Mac > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:37:52 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fan in Korean martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Joe, You asked: > Lately, I've been researching some of the different Martial Arts that utilize weapons. I've found some very interesting information, but I'm having some difficulty with one thing. I was especially interested in one art that uses Asian style fans as a weapon, however, I'm not sure of it's name. I'm also unsure of whether this is a separate martial art in itself such as Haidong Gumdo, or just part of another art. Additionally, I've heard that this art is very feminine, is this true? I've seen some pictures of it and saw a demonstration of it once and it looks beautiful! < I believe fans have been used in Chinese and Japanese martial arts. Nowadays it does seem that in Chinese martial arts, the fan is exclusively the prerogative of female practitioners but I am no expert on Chinese martial arts nor do I know if this is historically accurate. The fan does have a place in Japanese martial arts as well. There is a famous story that during one great battle, one daimyo led a cavalry charge and broke through the opposing forces and charged down the opposing daimyo, who was sitting at his command tent (for want of a technical term). I believe that carrying a fan was a sign of status (you have leisure time to use a fan and spare money to spend on such frivolous items) and also it would have been very hot wearing armour. With the enemy suddenly breaking on him, the opposing daimyo used the only item readily too hand, his fan, to defend himself. Sorry for the poor description, I do not know the names of the daimyo off hand. As to Korean martial arts, I am not aware of the fan being used as a weapon traditionally. The fan was certainly common among the elite but the elite did not often engage in physical combat. I must admit, I have not really researched the possibility and stand ready to be corrected. There are numerous historic dances that use the fan but I am not aware of any of these dances being related to martial arts. Probably the place to look for the fan as a weapon in modern Korean arts is in Hapkido and its offshoots, Hwarangdo, Kuksul-won, etc. I think Anthony may recently have seen a fan being used at a martial arts festival to defend against a sword but this would not seem to be mainstream in Korean weapons arts. Andrew --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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