Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:17:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #503 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Hapkido in Fort Worth (Dave Wilson) 2. RE: Ouch! [specifically ribs] (Andy Settle) (Arlene Slocum) 3. Tote Jitsu and Karate Jutsu Translations (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 4. Re: Ouch! [specifically ribs] (Jye nigma) 5. Spinning in martial arts (Jye nigma) 6. Bo Seminar (Ates, Michelle (ATESML)) 7. Executive self defense programs (Brian Beach) 8. I-Worm/Bugbear (earthlink) 9. Link to fix Bugbear.... (earthlink) 10. Ignore any and all attachments (Ray Terry) 11. Movies and virus.... (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 12. Aikido vs. Hapkido (FirstPe315@aol.com) 13. Re: Tote Jitsu and Karate Jutsu Translations (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dave Wilson" To: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:30:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Fort Worth Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well not actually in Fort Worth but close. The school is Dynamic TaeKwonDo and is located in Hurst Texas. The school name may be misleading - although the majority of students take TaeKwonDo - Hapkido is offered two nights a week and is NOT a mix of TaeKwonDo and Hapkido but strictly Hapkido. I'm working on a web site for our school and wanted to let anyone interested in Hapkido in the Fort Worth area know there are Hapkido classes available. The web site is www.MasterYang.info If you're interested in Hapkido in other parts of Dallas - check out my other site - www.dfwHapkido.com Dave --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Arlene Slocum To: "Dojang Digest (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:33:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Ouch! [specifically ribs] (Andy Settle) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Andy, I am not built at all like you but suffered for years recovering from body shots. I am 5'4" with a short torso for my height. I have powerful legs for my size but a weak upper body and the hits would get to me until I became determined to fix it. I found part of my answer in being more dedicated to hapkido practice (our school teaches both TKD and hapkido) - in particular the na-po (falling) part. Repeatedly falling on a wrestling mat (front fall, back fall, side fall over and over and over) has toughened my upper torso so I can do a better job of taking the shock of the impact. If there is no hapkido in your school it may pay to purchase a small mat for your basement (I got a nice one for about $160) and just fall on it. Start on your knees and fall down from there slapping your palms on the mat and turning your head to the side to avoid hitting your nose. There are numerous hapkido experts on this list who would be glad to give specifics on how to do elementary falls safely. The second thing that helps is to spin, spin, spin. If you spin your body as you see the blow coming it will glance off you with 90% of the impact removed. It takes time and experience to make the spin reaction automatic, but if you are in a place where you can make suggestions there are several excellent drills you can do to get used to spinning as the attack comes. Good luck in your training. Arlene Slocum 2nd Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas ArleneS@geoaccess.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:05:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tote Jitsu and Karate Jutsu Translations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a copy of a translation of Funakoshi Gichen's Karate Jutsu by Shingo Ishido entitled TOTE JITSU, published by Masters Publication in Canada in 1997. The hardback edition was first published in 1994. The author says it is a translation of "Funakosi's Karate Jutsu first published in 1922." I know that Funakoshi published a more extensive book in 1925, which included the material in the first book. I found a new translation of KARATE JUTSU by John Teramoto, published in 2001 by Kodanshi. I assume that it is a translation of the 1925 book. Can anyone tell me the how different these two translations are. I suspect that TOTE JITSU is actually also a translation of the 1925 book. It has a few pictures of Funakoshi doing the forms, but not many, particularly the upper forms. TOTE JUTSU contains the Bin an 1-5, Nianhanchi 1-3, Koshukun, Seishan, Wanshu, Jitte(Jutte) Chinto and Jion. Can anyone tell me whether Teramoto's book is a direct translation or an interpretation and whether it contains the same kata and more plates of Funakoshi? Any info would be helpful. Thanks. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ouch! [specifically ribs] To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi andy, Here's my approach to your problem. 1st and foremost go to a doctor or specialist to be examined. You just want to confirm that you don't have any kinds of conditions (rare or otherwise). Next you need to look at your diet. Make sure you are taking in the necessary calcium, and other nutrients that help bones. If you notice that you aren't taking in enough, or the correct amount, make the necessary changes. Now let's talk about blocking. Ideally you don't want anyone to be able to touch you, but since this may not be practial, or better yet realistic, you need to focus on these things....blocking, evading, and parrying blows. Blocking- You need to be able to block vulnerable spots in your stance. Looking at the fighting stance in TKD, you need to make sure you are properly protected even when throwing a technique. For instance, when I throw a punch utilizing the power generated from the twisting of the hip, a small portion of my body is exposed, but I usually keep the other hand back by my body so if another technique is thrown by my opponent, I can block with that hand while bringing the other one back into position. *My fighting style is a little different because I have my own system, but fighting principles can be used in all martial arts. You may want to practice drills where countless techniques are thrown at you and all you do is block. This will teach you the fastest/best blocks you can use. In sparring you may want to use other methods of blocking as well. In TKD you tend to put force against force to block, but in TKD they don't teach increasing bone density so you may want to also include going with the opponent's force in stead of against it (parrying). Parrying- Now when it comes to parrying, you want to simply deflect the opponent's blow. *Think of a ball hitting something flat like a wall, the wall asorbs all of the ball's force. Now think of the same ball hitting an a wall that's at an angle, only some of the force is absorbed. So you may want to use that concept in your sparring. Foot work and body positioning is very important in parrying. So i hope these things will help you Jye You definitely want to evade strikes when you can. This will get you out of the path of the strike and place you in a possible position for countering, intercepting, or just a safety zone. You will need to stay light on your feet and work on inproving your speed and reflexes. You may even just want to practice getting out of the way of an attack in the most effecent way(s). --- Andy Settle wrote: > Hi! > > I'm coming out of lurk mode to ask a question > regarding punches to ribs - > specifically under the arms.... > > I've only being doing MA for a few months now. I'm > studying 2+ times a week > with a club here in the UK which is affiliated with > the English Korean Karate > Association (EKKA). I'm loving every minute of it > and have even recently > entered a local tournament for lower grade kumite. > > Here's my problem - I've taken a good few knocks to > my ribs, one's to the > chest are fine however I've already broken one rib > (according to my doctor) > during training from a punch to my right hand side > floating rib. During the > tournament I took a good punch to the upper ribs > under my arm on my left hand > side. > > Whereas the first incident was probably excessive > force and bad timing (which > has been addressed by discussions with my sparring > partner at the time) the > second incident was not in my opinion anything but a > good, clean, controlled > and well executed punch. There have been a number of > other incidents but the > latest one during kumite has concerned me.... > > A contributing factor is probably my build - 6'1" > tall at 65kg/140lb. Not a > great deal of 'meat' on my body and I find it very > difficult indeed to put on > weight of ANY kind (muscle OR fat). I am also 38 > years old. > > I am concerned that this is going to cause problems > with future competitive > kumite and training. At the moment for instance I've > not had an undisturbed > night sleep for over a week because of being woken > at night by the pain in my > ribs every time I roll over - it's like having a new > born baby in the family > demanding feeding again! > > From what I can gather from the anatomical diagrams > I've looked at - there > isn't that much muscle tissue covering the areas I'm > having a problem with - > apart from the intercostals(sp?) themselves. > > I suspect the answer is - going to be a combination > of 'learn to block better' > and 'get a bit of weight on'. But I thought I'd ask > you good folks for any > comments. > > -- > mailto: > http://www.journeyman.net/ > tel:+448703213256 fax:+447092240737 > sms:+447885260409 > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/wishlist/39RV453DNHQXY/ > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Spinning in martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Arlene, I'm a little worried about spinning in sparring, competition, and definitely real fighting. I know there are certain times when to counter a technique a good spin mixed with another technique would be great if pulled off. For instance if the opponent throws a right side front turning kick, and you (facing the opponent) spin to the left and throw a spinning back kick that would be good, but few people can pull it off, and even if you can it's not really practical. You never want to take you eyes off the opponent. Now even though I have nailed alot of people with spinning techniques, I wouldn't recommend doing it outside the realms of TKD (Dojang or TKD tournaments)...and definitely wouldn't suggest using it in a real fight. How often do your students use this technique? Jye --- Arlene Slocum wrote: > If you spin your > body as you see the blow coming it will glance off > you with 90% of the > impact removed. It takes time and experience to make > the spin reaction > automatic, but if you are in a place where you can > make suggestions there > are several excellent drills you can do to get used > to spinning as the > attack comes. > Good luck in your training. > > Arlene Slocum __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Ates, Michelle (ATESML)" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:52:24 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bo Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Event: Winning Weapons Seminar (Taught by Tang Soo Do Stylist Anthony Atkins, 2000-2002 World Synchronized Forms Champion, featured on ESPN2) First 15 pre-registrants get in FREE Date: Saturday Nov-16-2002 Location: Lincoln Heights YMCA, Cincinnati Ohio Seminar websites: www.geocities.com/rulivin4him or http://welcome.to/livin4him For more info contact : Livin' 4HIM Martial Arts, (513) 674-7898 Email: RULivin4HIM@aol.com Submitted by, Michelle L. Ates Michelle.Ates@uc.edu --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:59:30 -0400 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Executive self defense programs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have any experience with scaled down programs for Hapkido for the 35-40+ age group. We have had some members that have expressed interest in a program that eliminates some of the more strenuous activities i.e. jumping and spinning kicks and no hands/sky falls. We also have others that fit that age group that just work to the best of their ability and seem to get along fine. In fact they seem to work a little bit harder than some of the younger students that these things come more easily. The program would be separate from the Hapkido program maybe called an executive self defense program. Has anyone tried this type of program? Any success with it? Did it add value to your school? Would the school be better served by recommending a different school to people with these requests? Thanks, Brian P.S. This is not an invitation to open up the Combat Hapkido thread. This program would be separate from the Hapkido program. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "earthlink" To: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:30:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] I-Worm/Bugbear Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To anyone that is on this list...If you got the message that looked like it came from Master West, you could very likely be infected with a worm. I didn't open the attachment that was with this email, but it tried to put out roots anyhow. From what I read, this is a bad virus/worm. It is a self replicating, key-stroke logging, back-door opening nasty bugger. If you think you might be compromised you can get a removal tool from symantec or macafee for free. This thing appears to be truly nasty. It will allow a malicous user to upload/download to your system run programs on your system, plus learn all of your passwords, account id's, bank account #'s credit card#'s, etc. BE VERY CAREFUL. I don't have any way to know how this was sent to me since the worm spoofs the sender, but I would guess it is someone that subscribes to DD. It's the only way that this thing could have gotten a part of an old message from DD AND my email address ..... Good luck. Eric Walker --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "earthlink" To: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:34:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Link to fix Bugbear.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's some good info and links to worm-fix for bugbear. http://www.utexas.edu/its/alerts/bugbear.html --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Ignore any and all attachments Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To anyone that is on this list...If you got the message that looked like it > came from Master West, you could very likely be infected with a worm. I > didn't open the attachment that was with this email, but it tried to put out > roots anyhow. ... Just a quick reminder to all. Never open an attachment from ANY email list, this one or any other. Moderated email lists should never forward attachments to subscribers. Thus any email containing an attachment appearing to be from our list is an obvious spam or a virus. Just delete it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:49:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Movies and virus.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Jack, do you have quick time installed on your system? If you can't open it, that is most likely why. Media player may even open it with sound only. But, just go to http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ and follow the instructions. After that, you should not have any problems, I did not.... Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul PS. I love modern technology, my anti-virus software ID'ed and deleted the virus. I also tried to reply to the sender, but it came back undeliverable. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:01:33 -0400 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Aikido vs. Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/24/2002 5:01:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: The late Fumio Toyoda's group (AAA)out of Chicago are very skilled in what they do. Many members in Southern California as well. Jeff > That would be my second choice. > You can go to www.makotodojo.com to find out more about > Larry Reynosa Sensei > and his Aikido. --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Tote Jitsu and Karate Jutsu Translations To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >upper forms. TOTE JUTSU contains the Bin an 1-5, Nianhanchi 1-3, Koshukun, >Seishan, Wanshu, Jitte(Jutte) Chinto and Jion. Can anyone tell me whether >Teramoto's book is a direct translation or an interpretation and whether it >contains the same kata and more plates of Funakoshi? Any info would be helpful They appear to just be translations from two different people. One notes in the 2001 version a mention that this verison is the only translation approved by the Japan Karate-do Shotokai. The only real diff I can detect is the material at the end of the To-Te Jitsu book contains what seems to be a few more pages of material, plus it includes three pages of the original text that the translator was unable to translate. It says something to the effect of "I and others were unable to translate the Chinese style that appears above". The forms presented and pics of Funakoshi appear identical. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest