Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:01:51 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #506 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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The Dojang???? (Laurie S.) 2. Executive self defense programs (Randall Sexton) 3. Re: The Dojang???? (Ray Terry) 4. Re: 32nd Can-Am Tournament (Lorne Keatley) 5. RE: RE>counters (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Ouch! (Jye nigma) 7. Re: RE>counters (Jye nigma) 8. Women's Self Defense Course (Ron Bain) 9. Surgery? (Douglas Nascimento) 10. Re: RE>counters (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Surgery? (Ray Terry) 12. Re: RE>counters (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:56:40 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Dojang???? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hiya all. I went to our school's BB test (to support 3 good friends of mine) and at the end, my master was giving away old magazines he collected over the years. One was called the Dojang, All Korean Martial Arts Magazine (April 1996). It was pretty impressive. Lotta great articles in it. I couldn't put this thing down till I read it from cover to cover. I was wondering if anyone knows if it's still in print (or exists) now a days? I'd love to have a subscription of this mag. Thanks in advance for any info. Laurie High green belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.  Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:58:20 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Executive self defense programs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I never forget when I was working in the University of MS ER, the night the strapping young fellow came in with multiple fractures of the elbow suffered at the hands of a blind senior citizen in a wheelchair who had a cane and didn't feel like being robbed on that particular night! >>>Doesn't each student have weaknesses and strengths? I would not like to only work with individuals at my own level. I would never learn what my limitations are; I could potentially get in a lot of trouble that way. Beside my cain comes in useful on occaision and I really can do a lot of damage gumming people on the arm. ;-)>>> Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com "Chaos often breeds life, where order breeds habit" Henry Adams --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] The Dojang???? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 06:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I went to our school's BB test (to support 3 good friends of mine) and at > the end, my master was giving away old magazines he collected over the > years. One was called the Dojang, All Korean Martial Arts Magazine (April > 1996). It was pretty impressive. Lotta great articles in it. I couldn't put > this thing down till I read it from cover to cover. I was wondering if > anyone knows if it's still in print (or exists) now a days? I'd love to have > a subscription of this mag. It no longer exists. I have the premier issue around here somewhere... and agree with you that it was a good magazine. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:40:44 -0400 From: Lorne Keatley To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 32nd Can-Am Tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all. It has been quite a while since I posted on the DD. Been busy in all areas of life. Just wanted to thanks Kat for her kind words about the Can-Am as well as her kind words about our training. I am just sorry I couldn't be around more and be more help. I am actually feeling funny, as in my eyes I did next to nothing for you, but if you see value in what I was able to give you, then that is thanks enough. You truly have the Jung Shin spirit and some of our local students could learn a lot from you. The Can-Am was alot of work, but it seems well worth it. Many people have been turned off tournaments for the lack of integrity and the "win at all costs" attitudes. That is why Master Timmerman decided to revibve the Can-Am classics from its slumber and put on a tournament people can actually enjoy attending. As long as people enjoyed it, all the work that Master Timmerman and myself and everyone else involved put into it was not a wated effort. Lorne Keatley --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE>counters To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi John, Here are a few of the replies: Answer 1- One example: Use of taisabaki, in this case tengu ashi (ghost step) to bridge the gap, a technique of koppojutsu, deflection of the leg and before it makes contact with the ground, a kick 90 degrees meeting the shin has the effect of cracking the tibia. Answer 2- By moving into the kick before it reaches you by using proper angling (similar to the last post) and doing a number of things. Anything from striking the interior proximital part of the calf into the LIV 10 point (lateral border of abductor longus) or even into the groin for men or LIV 12 point for women (be very very careful with this point, it will have the same effect or more as actually striking the groin but you need even less strength). You could do so many things from the "inside" position. You could also fall back into an ichi monji stance to a 45 degree angle so you would be out of reach. Its then a matter of timing. You would need to move in a split second before the kick passes, so by the time you reach your oppenent, s/he is just getting the end of the kick and has already passed you. Again from that position you could do anything. If it comes to it, just rush the guy. Thats our advantage. Maybe we Bujinkan students arent "Battle Royal on the mat" but I could easily take one deflected kick and rush him and take it to the ground. No offence, but my grappling skills and vital/soft spot striking are much better than 99 percent of most hard line Tae Kwon Do students. How could you a kick a 200 plus pound man rushing you? I couldnt. Just like i wouldnt try and grapple him or try any thing fancy. Somethings just wont work for 99.9 percent of people in certian situations (no matter how much we would like to prove different). Just ask that person to have a friend try and take them down while they kick. See how effective it is in a controlled enviroment first, and then you could take a look at how it would "really" work. The trick I find when working with people with really powerfull kicks is to not try and stop/deflect it unless you have to. My first American teacher was a kick-boxer. I find a side-kick alot harder to deal with than any kind of spinning kick or axe or circular kicks. Exspecially a lead leg side kick. When someone is really good at it, it can be lightning fast, unlike the rear leg kicks, which you can see and feel coming. Those are somethings to think about. Any other takers :) (jk) -Eric answer 3- How many kicks is there available in Tae Kwon Do??. If somone used the same kicks over & over, you would learn (hopefully not the hard way) the kicks quite quickly and come up for with a defence against them? This is why I like training in Ninjustsu, you don't just kick, or just punch, or 'just' anything. You can use everything you've got, and not have to rely on any one kick or punch... The old instructor we used to have wasn't the best Sensai (at all). But one thing he did always say that made a lot of sense is "your not going to box with a boxer, or kick it out with a kickboxer, you going to do something different that hopefully they haven't seen before"... I'm sure there's other martial arts that teach ground grapling, holds, punches, kicks, etc. But how many cover all of them like ninjutsu appears to? seeya, Shane L. --- "Wallace, John" wrote: > Two questions Mr. Nigma: What was the gist of their > replies, and how many > of them had actually sparred with a TKD > practicioner, vs just giving their > opinion about what they _thought_ it would be like > to spar against TKD. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ouch! To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting.... What type of approach would you take against a person who doesn't look at the opponent? I ask this because as a child I played games/trained blind folded. So now I can spar looking or not looking at the other person(s). This throws alot of people off, and it kind of intimidates them. Now I don't really do it to intimidate them, it's just 2nd nature to me. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE>counters To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is a challenge for many TKD practitioners. Try sparring with people from not only TKD but from other arts, without TKD rules (no sweeps, elbows, knees, etc). Allow all techniques except the obvious like groin strikes, eye gouging, etc. Then and only then will you truly find out what works from your TKD reportoire. Spin kicks may work on one style better than another, and may not work at all on others. From my experiences, I can tell you one of the arts that will give you a run for your money is going to be Muay Thai! I can tell you right now what we used to do to people who attempted to throw a spinning technique....lol.....we'd either kick the leg that was supposed to deliver the blow, but I am famous for what we call the butt check...lol. I usually move out of the path of that spin technique and kick the person in the butt cheek, or the major pressure point in the butt, and they can't put their foot down without a strange feeling...lol Sounds harsh but it's all done in fun....it simply says, "that stuff wont work here"...lol. Now don't get me wrong, there are some people that can MAKE it work, like a friend of mine that studies Tiger Schulman's Karate. I once saw him fake a front snap kick, and do a spinning back kick that lifted my other friend off of the ground and against a rail. I thought my other friend was dead....lol. So I'm not saying it wont work. But things like a spinning hook kick? come on now. In a real fight it is very impractical to kick above the waist so I say to those who use traditional arts in modern times without upgrading the techniques.....should you ever get in a real fight, I hope that when you do your spinning techniques that you are successful! Jye --- Ray Terry wrote: > > in a sparring match with different rules (allowing > > sweeps, elbows, knees, etc), then you will begin > to > > see that alot of what is studied in TKD is not > practical. > > Actually I would say it is all practical. It is > just that some > people tend to employ certain techniques when they > are not practical. > > Nothing wrong with a spin technique, as long as it > is used at an > appropriate time and situation. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Ron Bain" To: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:19:32 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Women's Self Defense Course Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, Did someone a while back, post a list or guideline to teaching a Women's SD Course? Been asked to teach such a course at our community college and looking for any help/info. Thanks, Ron <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ron Bain's Website: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr Korean Hoshinsool On-Line: http://hoshinsulonline.tripod.ca Sr. Software Support Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Douglas Nascimento" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:28:57 -0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Surgery? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A friend of many told me that there's a surgery that cut something in the legs to it opens totally. Is true that there is a surgery to make the legs open totally like if you have trained for years ? I would like to kwon how it works if it was true. Douglas P.S.:Sorry if I wrote in bad English. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. http://messenger.msn.com.br --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE>counters To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > How could you a kick a 200 plus pound man rushing you? > I couldnt. 200+ pound guys, like me, hurt just like anyone else. A good straight kick (front, side, back) to the solar plexus works especially well on someone rushing you, (almost) regardless of their size. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Surgery? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > A friend of many told me that there's a surgery that cut something in the > legs to it opens totally. Is true that there is a surgery to make the legs > open totally like if you have trained for years ? I would like to kwon how > it works if it was true. You mean so that you can do full splits??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE>counters To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > my experiences, I can tell you one of the arts that > will give you a run for your money is going to be Muay > Thai! I can tell you right now what we used to do to > people who attempted to throw a spinning > technique....lol.....we'd either kick the leg that was > supposed to deliver the blow, but I am famous for what > we call the butt check...lol. I usually move out of > the path of that spin technique and kick the person in > the butt cheek, or the major pressure point in the > butt, and they can't put their foot down without a > strange feeling...lol Sounds harsh but it's all done > in fun....it simply says, "that stuff wont work > here"...lol. Sure it does, IMHO. I've trained in muay Thai and sparred against muay Thai guys. You just need to set up the spin kick. Works and works well, if set up properly... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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