Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:06:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #510 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Ray Terry inquiries... (Charles Veuleman) 2. JAMA (Cliff.Vaught@pmusa.com) 3. Meditation (TeachingInChina@aol.com) 4. Women Self Defense (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 5. Funakoshi's Books (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 6. Flesh Ripping and New Style (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 7. hamstring operations (wild horse) 8. Re:Check this out = http://www.makotodojo.com/ (ramon Navarro) 9. Re: hamstring operations (Jye nigma) 10. Re: Ray Terry inquiries... (Joe Dupaquier) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: Joe Dupaquier , sensei@bluewavekarate.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Ray Terry inquiries... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Ray (Carbon Copy To Joe) Whats with the sudden intrest in us again, got bored and decided to watch Joe D. do some kata on tape? Thats what I do in my spare time...stupid Chul Gi II.... anyway, this is definitly our (LA Boyz) domain, but let me email Joe to get some specifics for you. Perhaps they might join the list. Yours In The Martial Arts, Charlie V. <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Cliff.Vaught@pmusa.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:11:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] JAMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree that the Journal of Asian Martial Arts (JAMA) is a stylistically polished magazine - but I rarely, if ever, see articles that pertain to Korean martial arts. Am I missing the boat? Cliff Vaught > -- __--__-- > > Subject: [The_Dojang] RE>good reading > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > If you're looking for a good informative magazine try The Journal of Asian > Martial Arts. It covers a wide variety of MA , interviews from some > impressive > people and is printed quarterly. > michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 3 From: TeachingInChina@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:22:11 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Meditation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To the list: I have a question that you may or may not be able to answer. Before class we are asked to meditate and clear our mind before starting class. I am finding that it is very hard for me to do this after leaving work, school, etc. Is there any way or do you have any suggestions on how I can do this? Should I just concentrate on breathing and not be so concerned? Thanks Landa 6th gup green belt TKD --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:50:00 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Women Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ron, Seems like there was a lot of discussion on womens self defense with some cirriculum ideas back 2-3 years ago here, in DD. Also, you might try self defense forums. I'm pretty sure the subject has been discussed a couple of times in the past at SDF. Alain may be able to help you there, since he is the Street Smart Forum Moderator. Marc McYoung has a lot excellent material in his website, but not techniques. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:03:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Funakoshi's Books Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks Ray, That was the info I was looking for. Guess I will spend my buck on another book. None of the bookstores or libraries have copies of the new translation here. That is one of the cons in living in a relatively rural environment. But the pros make up for it. I agree, I have never found it adequate to learn a form from a book. My interest is in comparison with the master level Tang Soo hyungs, as well as the diferences between Funakoshi's earlier book and Karate-do Kyohan. Thanks again, Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:13:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Flesh Ripping and New Style Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Nigma, I'd like to hear more about your flesh ripping. I assume it is more than just eye gouges. Your comments the other day about ninjutsu tactics to defeat turning kicks as well as your frequent comments about having your own style also makes me curious as to your training background and your style. Can you share a bit more with us? Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "wild horse" To: "dojang digest" Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:32:26 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] hamstring operations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Just a quick comment regarding the operation on hamstrings to increase flexability. I have a dodgy knee; my knee cap is pulled out of line when I bend my leg by my outside quadricep (vastus lateralis i think). I was given exercises by a physio to try and strengthen my inside quadricep but they didn't work so I was offered an operation to release my outside quadricep, I refused it though. So this is a proper procedure but I still recommend that you increase flexability the 'normal way'. If I'd had that operation, I would have been out of action for 3 months and with no guarentee of it being a benefit. So in my opinion it wasn't worth it and I wouldn't recommend it just to be more flexable because you couldn't be bothered to do a bit of work. Sincerely Wendy.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:33:41 -0800 (PST) From: ramon Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Check this out = http://www.makotodojo.com/ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Aikido is a powerful method of self-defense that can be studied by people of all ages. It is a non-competitive martial art that teaches a student to understand, recognize, and then act in the face of a violent or harmful situation. Aikido is ideal for women and children that would be physically less strong than an attacker due to the non-resistive techniques involved in dealing with this kind of situation. At Makoto Dojo, there are classes for Adults, Teens (11-14 yrs), Children (7-10 yrs) and Toddlers (4-6 yrs). We also conduct periodic special "self-defense" workshops designed for the lay person that is not inclined to take up a life long study of Aikido. Makoto Dojo is part of a network of dojos called the "Makoto Aikido Kyokai". The dojo itself is directly under Larry Reynosa Sensei. We are affiliated with the Aikido World Headquarters located in Tokyo, Japan and receive all DAN (Black Belt) ranks directly from the Doshu Moriteru Ueshiba. We welcome all students of the martial arts to train at Makoto Dojo regardless of style, rank or affiliation. Our purpose is to be cause in the matter of less suffering in the world by understanding violence and becoming part of the solution rather than part of the problem. Please come by and visit...you will always be welcome. We have two class levels for Adults: Level I is for the new student needing the basics. Curriculum includes stretching and flexibility training; learning to fall and roll in order to recover from a throwing technique; terminology and protocol understanding; Aikido theory and philosophy; and plenty of questions and answers. Level II Classes for adults involve an infinite number of empty-handed techniques that deal with throwing, unbalancing, or pinning a potential adversary; exploration of the possibilities involved in disarming and adversary that chooses to use a weapons against you, such as a knife, broken bottle, baseball bat, or even a handgun.In addition, special classes are conducted in the use of the short staff (jo) and the wooden sword (bokken). The Teen classes are targeted for the teenager that may feel he/she doesn't fit into the children's class, but is a little intimidated about training in an all adult class. We understand the pressures our teens have in today's society and do our best at teaching them how to overcome some of those fears that cause them to veer off into the sort of life that leads to problems. Giving them a way to vent these frustrations and turn them into a positive lifestyle is one of our main goals. Class curriculum is basically the same as the Level I Adult class. The children's class for ages 7-10 years has been growing rapidly. Class curriculum includes basic discipline, stretching and flexibility training; games that teach a child better motor skills function and coordination; teaching that there is no "try", you "do" or "do not"; and failing isn't bad...but if you fail or fall, then you get up and "do" it again...and again until you succeed. You never give up!; teaching the awareness that would lead a child to flee a stranger, not to open their door, fall for a false story that would lure them into a kidnapping situation; teaching them about the nature of a physical power to power struggle and how to deal with such a situation in a more positive non-resistive way. The Toddlers class for ages 4-6 years has been very successful. The goal of this class is to see them graduate into the older children's class and be able to deal with the advanced lessons presented. We work very hard on self-discipline; sitting quietly after running like crazy; self-confidence building and self-expression is a major goal at this level; providing a safe environment that will lead to better motor functions and coordination and understanding of their physical selves is also a major goal at this level; and above all teaching the kids to have fun learning. The overall emphasis of all the classes is on understanding basic human behavior and the need to stay alive during a conflict versus knowing hundreds of techniques and katas. I would rather have a student understand how to be creative in the moment something that is harmful might occur, rather than having them stuck in some kind of structured format that doesn't apply to the situation. Kind of like insisting the square peg goes in the round hole?! The situation at Columbine High School, the Jewish Community Center and others can happen anywhere and anytime. We have to be prepared to deal with the moment based on what "is" and not what we "think is". I know this sounds a little confusing, but the way we process what actually is occurring through clear mindedness rather than through our fears and past experiences, will allow us and our children to survive these very dangerous situations more often. Overcoming our fears is half the battle and rather than having another take our lives and our loved ones lives, we need to teach ourselves and them to be creative in the moment, move quickly into action and be open to all possibilities! After all, it doesn't matter what you "think" you know if someone can still punch you in the nose, you still "really" get hurt! Teens will be invited into the adult classes with the approval of the Chief Instructor. Parents and spectators are always welcome to visit and watch the classes. Welcome Dojo Aikido Aikido Events News Store Home Chat Training Instructor > Photo Album Links Contact Info Resources Location OSensei Makoto Aikido Kyokai Seminar Information Affiliations Seminars Workshops Online Learning TBS shoots footage here Makoto Dojo KI Enterprises Sensei Reynosa David Hornback Gerrit Green Bill Kendig Jeff Green _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hamstring operations To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How's your knee now? Jye --- wild horse wrote: > Hi all, > Just a quick comment regarding the operation on > hamstrings to increase > flexability. I have a dodgy knee; my knee cap is > pulled out of line when I > bend my leg by my outside quadricep (vastus > lateralis i think). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Joe Dupaquier" To: , Cc: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:43:08 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ray Terry inquiries... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is my understanding that Chittim returned from Korea a brown belt and met Trias (1946). Trias offered to train Chittim in his style, Shurei-Ryu. Chittim said no thanks, to long of a commute to Az. Any other ideas ? Trias said go back to Korea and find the best instructor you can and bring him back. That is how Rhee got to the states in 48. Rhee had to live with Chittim for a year. Chittim was legally and financial responsible for him for that year. Rhee later left for Dallas where he trained Allan Steen and then went on to DC. Most of this was told to me personally by Trias, I only met Chittim once (my black belt test). but had many opportunities to sit down with Trias and get war stories from him. Joe -----------------------------------------do not write below this line------------------------------------------ Joe Dupaquier 2050 Spartan Drive Mandeville, Louisiana 70448 985-626-7608 985-674-9110 (fax) ,. \-'__ / o.__o___ \/_/ /.___/-, ||\' jdupaquier@jumpkick.com | / www.jumpkick.com \_\ - '' "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Veuleman" To: Cc: "Joe Dupaquier" ; Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Ray Terry inquiries... > > Hey Ray (Carbon Copy To Joe) > > Whats with the sudden intrest in us again, got bored and decided to > watch Joe D. do some kata on tape? Thats what I do in my spare > time...stupid Chul Gi II.... > > anyway, this is definitly our (LA Boyz) domain, but let me email Joe to > get some specifics for you. Perhaps they might join the list. > > Yours In The Martial Arts, > > Charlie V. > > <<<<<<<< > Perhaps the LA Boyz can add something to the history of Gm Atlee > Chittim. > > In Master Joe Dupaquier's videos on the forms of Korean Karate, the art > > of > Tae Kwon Do, it says "Tae Kwon Do first made its way into the United > States > when a Texan by the name of Atlee Chittim who had studied martial arts > in > Korea during the Korean War returned home, and then in 1948 began > teaching > in San Antonio. In 1946 Chittim became the first member of the newly > founded USKA which was under the directorship of the late Grandmaster > Robert Trias." > > I'm confused. Did Master Dupaquier get those dates turned around or > ??? > Sounds like maybe Gm Chittim was teaching before he was in Korea. Did > he > perhaps study under Trias from 1946 to 48, then teach from 48 to 50 or > 51 > before heading off to Korea and the Korean War? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > > -End Snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ===== > ------------------------------------- > L. Charles Veuleman > Natchitoches Karate Institute > 204 Rapides Drive > Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 > http://www.bluewavekarate.com > ------------------------------------- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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