Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:15:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #513 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: RE>counters (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Women's Self Defense Course (Lori Kettel) 3. self defense (freddie bishop) 4. pinching (Steve Kincade) 5. Re: dodgy knee (Chris LaCava) 6. Re: pinching (Jye nigma) 7. Pinching, but at distance and w/a magnum (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Re: Women's Self Defense Course (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Re: Women's Self Defense Course (Ray Terry) 10. Re: Pinching for Self Defense (Laurie S.) 11. Re: in a pinch (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 12. RE: Re: Pinching for Self Defense (Michael Forman) 13. Re: Re: Pinching for Self Defense (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:06:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE>counters To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Micheal I agree to a certain extent. Each system has some type of loop hole because of the time frame it was created. The single strike in karate for instance, was utilized to shatter bamboo armour to deliver a deadly strike. In modern times, can that strike still kill someone? yes! but is it practical trying to lay someone out with only one punch? No. The reason is because 1) all fights are different/unpredictable and that one blow might not connect then what? So it's not just a TKD thing it's an system wide thing. Because TKD is a fairly new martial art compared to others, it makes it very easy to upgrade, meaning their is very little to strip away from TKD as far as impractical applications. It's pretty much a straight forward system in my opinion. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:16:55 -0600 From: Lori Kettel To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Women's Self Defense Course Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I've been lurking on this list for awhile now and thought it was about time I came out of lurk mode and said hello. I've really enjoyed reading this list and have learned quite a few things. I've been studying hapkido for a couple of years now and the discussion on women's self defense has come up at a rather appropriate time for me. Last week I caught a student cheating on an exam I was supervising and afterward he cornered me in the hall and would not let me pass while pleading for me not to tell the instructor. While I wasn't in any danger it did make me realize that if some one was actually trying to attack me I think I'd freeze up. I don't have this problem in class as I know the other people aren't intentionally trying to do me serious harm. I've thankfully lead a very sheltered life and have never been in any kind of dangerous situation so my question is how do you learn to get past that panicked feeling and defend yourself? Lori --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] self defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Some day when I get my own dojang/dojo, I'm going to teach Tae Kwon Do as self defense. What do you all think of that ? I'm especially interested in the womens' opinion. I really believe that Tae kwon do was mean't to be a combat method, and should be practiced as such. Maybe I should switch to Tang Soo Do? Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Steve Kincade" To: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:05:09 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] pinching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave Weller writes: One night I was teaching this technique to my students as a sure-fire release technique and I invited a friend of mine from Louisiana to be my dummy. He is at least six inches taller than me, and outweighs me by maybe sixty pounds. He locked me (painfully) and I proceeded to grab and pinch the inside of his inner thigh, just like I had been taught. The one thing I didn't count on, however, was his stubbornness. I pinched, then grabbed a handful of his inner thigh, twisted with all my might, and finally had to tap out instead of using another technique, since I had exhausted myself trying to make that one work. When the night was over, Mike had an incredible bruise and I had validated an old lesson: everything doesn't work on everybody. (Except maybe for chokes and bullets.) It's amazing what we can put up with if the stakes are high enough, and the only thing we had at stake then were our egos. Steve Kincade - --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:13:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: dodgy knee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wendy: Hi Wendy, Does your knee still mistrack? My girlfriend had the same problem with her knees. She had the operation done on one knee so far and is doing well. The procedure she had is called a "lateral release." They make an incision in the Vastus Lateralis (outside quadricep) to release some tension on the knee cap because the Vastus Medialis (inside quad) isn't strong enough to keep the patella on track. I don't know how your condition is, but for my girlfrind it was a positive decision. She is alot happier now. I hope your doing well also. Take care Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] pinching To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Steve....lol I can't stop laughing because that reminds me of a comedy show....but anyhow, that is true, but the key is to only pinch a little bit of the skin. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:26:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Pinching, but at distance and w/a magnum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > When the night was over, Mike had an incredible bruise and I had validated > an old lesson: everything doesn't work on everybody. (Except maybe for > chokes and bullets.) It's amazing what we can put up with if the stakes are > high enough, and the only thing we had at stake then were our egos. imho, the only things we can be sure of are death, taxes and complete trust in a .460 Weatherby Magnum. But can I get that 460 in semi-auto, just to be sure... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Women's Self Defense Course To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hi Lori, my advice for you is to practice drills, and simulate dangerous situations. You do this to make it like second nature so when something occurs you wont have time to freeze up because you will react right away. I should want to simulate dangerous scenarios like what you experienced. Here is a great training tip....practice self defense with people who don't study martial arts, have them attack you how ever they want to, and then you'll see how people REALLY attempt to attack you....meaning, in martial arts even the attacks are a little far from reality. not everyone attacks from a fixed stance, throws 1 technique, or attacks as planned in martial arts. This will really prepare you. also train with others in the martial arts. In case you're wondering, I haven't lived a sheltered life. I'm only 26 and have met with death more then enough times. Jye Jye --- Lori Kettel wrote: > Hi, > > I've been lurking on this list for awhile now and > thought it was about time > I came out of lurk mode and said hello. I've really > enjoyed reading this > list and have learned quite a few things. I've > been studying hapkido for > a couple of years now and the discussion on women's > self defense has come > up at a rather appropriate time for me. Last week I > caught a student > cheating on an exam I was supervising and afterward > he cornered me in the > hall and would not let me pass while pleading for me > not to tell the > instructor. While I wasn't in any danger it did > make me realize that if > some one was actually trying to attack me I think > I'd freeze up. I don't > have this problem in class as I know the other > people aren't intentionally > trying to do me serious harm. I've thankfully lead > a very sheltered life > and have never been in any kind of dangerous > situation so my question is > how do you learn to get past that panicked feeling > and defend yourself? > > > Lori > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Women's Self Defense Course To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:54:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > In case you're wondering, I haven't lived a sheltered life. > I'm only 26 and have met with death more then enough times. Best to realize right now that we deal with Ms. Death each and every day. She is our only constant companion. Not even our shadow stays so tightly attached to us at all times. So best to just make her your friend. Now go out and enjoy the day... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:22:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Pinching for Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<>>> <> I have to agree with Jye on this one. I was dropped by a pinch from my master (TSD). I didn't think it would work either. He pinched me under the arm. He only pinched a little bit of skin, and it HURT!!! I was bruised for two weeks. My TSD master was about 5'7 to 5'8 and skinny. He had a 250 (mostly muscle) pound guy grab him in a headlock and my master pinched him. Guess what? He hurt the big guy. He let go so fast ..... Very effective technique . Laurie High green belt TKD (5th gup blue belt TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --__--__-- Message: 11 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:22:47 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: in a pinch Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I'm not sure a pinch would stop someone with a strong headlock in place. I will try this in class tonight. I'll let my master headlock me and see if he lets go or squeezes my brains out when i pinch him. I gotta think ripping the flesh might be more effective, or stomping the foot, or gouging the eyes, etc. Adrenaline can mask a WHOLE bunch of pain.  Have you ever tried this technique outside the gym in an uncontrolled situation? Just curious," i used this one a week ago when we were working on self defense escapes in an adult class. i have one new male in class who was continually testing me during the evening. although he's a great guy and is really wanting to learn, i think he felt it necessary to see if i knew what i was doing. while demonstrating some different escapes throughout the class, he would occasionally jump me and say, "what if i did this?". most of his attacks resulted in an armbar or chicken wing with him on the floor saying, "oh...ok!" the last attack, however, was a great segue into the pinching type of defense. he attacked with a choke from behind. i demonstrated to turn chin to attackers elbow, reached back, grabbed some abdominal flesh and pinched the he!! out of it. he let go without delay, rubbing his abdomen. it led to a great discussion on the alternative and unsavory types of defense: pinching, gouging, scratching, etc. so...in a pinch, i pinch. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2003 Annual Show Me State Open Martial Arts Tournament --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Michael Forman" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Pinching for Self Defense Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:48:56 +1100 Organization: Endurance Electronics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net DD'ers, Out of lurk mode again (twice in one day is a record for me ;-) I am sure that the pinch hurts, and that a person in the dojo will let go. However if you get an attacker who is pumped up and has some bad intentions, then I think it is a different ball game. For a release from a headlock, by a person who is aiming to inflict damage, then there are lots of other techniques I would much rather use. For the same headlock from a rowdy friend, go the pinch! Cheers, Michael > <<< place.>>>> > > <> > > I have to agree with Jye on this one. I was dropped by a pinch from my > master (TSD). I didn't think it would work either. He pinched me under the > arm. He only pinched a little bit of skin, and it HURT!!! I was bruised > for > two weeks. My TSD master was about 5'7 to 5'8 and skinny. He had a 250 > (mostly muscle) pound guy grab him in a headlock and my master pinched > him. > Guess what? He hurt the big guy. He let go so fast ..... Very effective > technique .> --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Pinching for Self Defense To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes Ladies and everyone, The fact that we study the martial arts is a plus, but it is our element of surprise such as pinching for self defense that gives us the upper hand. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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