Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:40:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #526 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Does anybody really know what time it is? (Jye nigma) 2. 18-skills (Andrew Pratt) 3. TKD Workable Tech... (Charles Veuleman) 4. Re: Hams (Lee Fisk) 5. multiple kicking techniques (rich hodder) 6. Loss of Martial Spirit (Kakita Kentei) 7. Re: Traditional Korean Archery (Thomas Duvernay) 8. RE: Loss of Martial Spirit (Randy Mertes) 9. Re: Re: Hams (Jye nigma) 10. breaking (sam saenz) 11. Re: 18-skills (Ray Terry) 12. Re: workable technique (Mark M. Smith) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:00:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Does anybody really know what time it is? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (This just in....Ray Terry get's mugged by little old lady walking a little old dog...details at 11...lol) --- Ray Terry wrote: > Of course, if it is a little old lady walking her > little old dog, then it > is ok to give her the time. But keep your eye on > that dog... :) > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:33:35 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] 18-skills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For list members who are in the Seoul region, You may be interested in watching this demonstration of Sip P'al-ki which will be held on the 1st and 3rd Sundays until the end of the year. www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2002/11/02/200211020035.asp Andrew --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:03:38 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Workable Tech... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just as in Judo, there are just a few techniques in TKD that would work under fire. When did Tae Kwon Do start including all the multiple kicking techniques and why were they developed? Fred Hi Fred... I don't really know when multiple kicking techniques came about, but I am sure it is a tournament oriented thing. Just think, you fake low, then go high and score. The thing is, when doing repetitions and practicing, you have to throw those kicks as hard low as you do high, that way they are respected. By this I mean that if you just barely stick your foot up there, and it does NO harm, your opponent (tournament or whatever) won't give a crap. Where the heck is Bruce? YITMA Charlie Veuleman ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lee Fisk" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:26:22 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hams Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jye, Sorry, I've been busy with work and working out. This was my first chance to check my e-mail since yesterday. Yes my hamstring healed and it my flexibility was significantly improved. I have torn my hamstrings on five different occasions. They heal; the trick is to take it easy while they heal. My hamstring tears have taken up to three months to heal. On the other hand there is the operation that was recommended. Regards, Lee Message: 11 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Hams To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oh My goodness....I wouldn't want to tear my hamstring, did it heal completely? Jye --- Lee Fisk wrote: > Many millennia ago when I first tried out TKD I > found away to rapidly increase > my flexibility without operation. I used to work out > on Nautals (sp?)equipment > including leg curls; following that I'd do a TKD > class including sparring. The > results were three hamstring tears in a year. It did > increase my flexibility a > lot however. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:56:17 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] multiple kicking techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know when TKD started doing multiple kicks, but I have been doing them since the very early 60's. We did all of our kicks on the ground, standing and in the air and yes that includes single, double and triple kicking techniques. Maybe we were just ahead of our time have fun, Rich Hodder (since there is another Rich on the list now)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kakita Kentei To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: tlk@taction.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Loss of Martial Spirit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, Erik Brann here. It's been a while since I last posted, but I've found myself in a place where I feel I have lost my martial spirit, and really don't feel much like training. I've been under some very deep pressure lately, due to a combination of issues, and had laid off training while these things sorted themselves out. Currently, some of those issues have mostly resolved themselves, so I can return to train, except I just don't feel up to it. I attended class last week for the first time since July, and I just didn't feel right about being there. Physically I am in very poor condition, and it didn't help the mental/emotional state. Prior to these issues arising, I really felt solid about my training and where my head was. Now I am not so very sure. Couple this lack of focus with significant weight gains, and I just don't feel much like training. I'm almost ready to quit. As far as training itself goes, I was not allowed to test for my red belt at the last test, and it kind of demoralized. (Testing Instructor had not observed me in class, and refused to allow me to test. She was right about this.) However, that eroded my confidence, and now, I don't even have the energy to even think about attending class. I have a couple of questions for the forum: 1. Have any of you had this kind of loss of martial spirit? 2. If so, how did you handle it? 3. Have any of you wanted to just walk away because something about training dissatisfied you? 4. I genuinely need help with knocking off this 75 extra pounds I am lugging around. Can any of you offer me advice on how to approach this? 5. Does anyone have a training regimen I can use to get myself back into condition, but doesn't try to do it all at once, which is an issue I am having? Please feel free to email me directly, Thank you. Erik Brann __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Thomas Duvernay" To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:37:56 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Traditional Korean Archery Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just rewatched an old Turtle press video on Kuk Kung, Traditional Korean > Archery. Interesting in how rank is attained in this art. > > Any practitioners present in the_dojang? > Glad you asked, Ray. That is my one and only MA. I have been a goongdo practitioner for ten years. My son (15), I and a Korean archery friend put on a demo at the largest traditional archery festival in the world, at the Eastern Traditional Archery Rendezvous (ETAR) in north central Pennsylvania this past summer. You can see pics at: http://wwwk.dongguk.ac.kr/~bluelake/etar2002/etardemo.html Last weekend, Kuk Sool Won had a competition/exhibition here in the Korean city I live in (Kyongju-- historic capital of Korea during the Shilla Dynasty). A few members, including Master Barry Harmon, came over to my club to shoot (they shoot without thumb rings-- ouch). A few pics of it are at: http://www.hornbow.com/ksw/ksbow.html More info about Korean traditional archery can be found at my web site: http://www.koreanarchery.org Thomas Duvernay --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Randy Mertes" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Loss of Martial Spirit Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:12:05 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Erik, I just tested for my red belt a couple months ago. I passed but I didn't feel like I cared. It was a strange feeling for me because I have always loved coming to class. According to my Master, Garrett Dewitt, this is the time when many students found it easy to just walk away and I wonder if the reason is just plain tiredness. I came to TKD from 25 years of Olympic Style W/L. In that sport we had a phenomenon call 'over training.' After working out hard for a long time, the lactic acid buildup in the muscle tissue began to take its toll. It was usually so subtle that the first indication was attitudinal. I would get to the point where I just didn't care if I trained or not. I felt physically sluggish and tired too. All the tweaking of my workout regimen in the world didn't amount to squat (pardon the pun). Usually the best thing to do at that point was just to take a week or two off and rest. Not being a bio-physical-something-or-other, I don't have any hard research to support that except my own experience. In your case, since you have been off for awhile, this may not apply. All I can say is keep on pushing. There probably isn't a magic formula but my guess is that you will never regret having stayed with it. The old drive will probably return but it may take a while, especially when you start making gains. In my case age is a factor (48 now) and I am wondering if others have gone through the same thing. Randy -----Original Message----- From: Kakita Kentei [mailto:kakita_kentei@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:20 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: tlk@taction.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Loss of Martial Spirit Hi, Erik Brann here. It's been a while since I last posted, but I've found myself in a place where I feel I have lost my martial spirit, and really don't feel much like training. I've been under some very deep pressure lately, due to a combination of issues, and had laid off training while these things sorted themselves out. Currently, some of those issues have mostly resolved themselves, so I can return to train, except I just don't feel up to it. I attended class last week for the first time since July, and I just didn't feel right about being there. Physically I am in very poor condition, and it didn't help the mental/emotional state. Prior to these issues arising, I really felt solid about my training and where my head was. Now I am not so very sure. Couple this lack of focus with significant weight gains, and I just don't feel much like training. I'm almost ready to quit. As far as training itself goes, I was not allowed to test for my red belt at the last test, and it kind of demoralized. (Testing Instructor had not observed me in class, and refused to allow me to test. She was right about this.) However, that eroded my confidence, and now, I don't even have the energy to even think about attending class. I have a couple of questions for the forum: 1. Have any of you had this kind of loss of martial spirit? 2. If so, how did you handle it? 3. Have any of you wanted to just walk away because something about training dissatisfied you? 4. I genuinely need help with knocking off this 75 extra pounds I am lugging around. Can any of you offer me advice on how to approach this? 5. Does anyone have a training regimen I can use to get myself back into condition, but doesn't try to do it all at once, which is an issue I am having? Please feel free to email me directly, Thank you. Erik Brann __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Hams To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well I'm glad to hear you're back to 100%. Hey just be careful. Jye __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: sam saenz To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To Whom It May Concern, Where can one go to obtain wood for breaking? Also, normally, what is the size of board for students under the age of twelve? If anyone can help me with this I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much for your time. Taekwon, Sam Saenz __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 18-skills To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:21:00 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > For list members who are in the Seoul region, > > You may be interested in watching this demonstration of Sip P'al-ki which > will be held on the 1st and 3rd Sundays until the end of the year. > > www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2002/11/02/200211020035.asp Looks interesting. Will you be checking it out? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:19:31 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Mark M. Smith" Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: workable technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, At 03:01 AM 11/4/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >>There is an interesting article in the autumn issue of the WTF Taekwondo >quarterly magazine on WTF style-sparring. > >I'll just quote one portion of it: >"A statistical research of final contests of several world championships >the folowing law was revealed. Most often, scores are awarded in fighting >for application of bandal-chagi (38%), dwit-chagi (29%), nerio-chagi (21%), >hurio-chagi (7%), dollio-chagi (5%). Thus, no scores were awarded for >thrusts and fist strikes in fighting." << Now, I have read several times that the majority of scoring techniques in WTF style sparring are from the dollyo chagi (roundhouse kick). The figure I usually hear is around 75-80%. This seems to contradict that. Of course, right now I can not put my hands on the references for the 75-80% figure, but I do remember they were supposed to be from studies of WTF matches. Anybody else hear the same? Also with regards to the techniques mentioned: Bandal-chagi - dichotomy kick Dwi-chagi - back kick Naeryo-chagi - downward kick (axe) Huryo-chagi - thrashing kick Dollyo chagi - turning kick (roundhouse) The Kukki-Taekwondo Textbook does not have good illustrations of the Bandal chagi and the Huryo chagi. I have always assumed the bandal chagi is a 45-deg roundhouse kick (halfway between front kick and roundhouse kick). This is support by the description given in the textbook: "This is the medium style of the ap-chagi and the dollyo-chagi. The fore sole or the foot back delivers a kick by making a slant circle of movement." The Huryo chagi sounds like a "hook kick" or "wheel kick", kind of the opposite of the roundhouse kick, where instead of striking with the instep, you strike with the heel or sole of the foot. Does this sound correct? Respectfully, Mark M. Smith Merrimack, NH --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest