Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #533 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Top Judo Throws (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 2. Re: Native American Arts (Dana Vaillancourt) 3. Kukkiwon event (Ray Terry) 4. Breaking (Charles Richards) 5. Native american fighting arts (Charles Richards) 6. boards and kidz (Dave Weller) 7. 18 skills (Andrew Pratt) 8. Breaking children.... (Miguel) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:38:02 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Top Judo Throws Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I shared the recently posted list of top judo throws with a friend who is a judo instructor. He commented, "Well those are very practical..... but they completely omit the countering throws that are so effective for defense. Such as Ushiro Goshi (reversing throw), Tani Otoshi (Valley drop) and De Ashi Harai (Advanced foot sweep)." Many techs are effective, but there are good counters to many also. To the instructors on the list: How much focus do you place on defending against "trained" opponents and at what level do you start this instruction? Sharon --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Dana Vaillancourt" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 19:01:40 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Native American Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I recently had a discussion with a Lakota and Dakota elder (Sioux) during a Tribal partners workshop and during a break period, asked specifically about whether there was retention and practice of any indigenous martial systems within their specific tribes [understand that practices are different from tribe to tribe]. While one noted there might be some residual traditions carried through that signifies earlier types of martial activity, they were not aware of any formal native styles of martial training. Again, each tribe is different and not knowing me very well, they may not have talked about anything that was of tribal business. Dana _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:01:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon event Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fyi... Gangnam-ku Promotion Test (1st - 3rd Poom, 1st - 3rd Dan) will be held at the Kukkiwon on Nov 10th. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with GM Timmerman I adjust my board sizes to weight We break with a kick with shoes on the first time (sounds overkill safety but it works for me). I try to use 4+ holders to stabilize the board, and teach folks how to hold properly. None of my youth do PNF stretching, Knuckle or fingertip press ups or break with a punch. Now my adults are subject to a 1%'er traditional old school mentality :-), ne... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TangSooDo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:53:12 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Native american fighting arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Craig Here's a clue about N.A. fighting arts. The spagetti westerns always show the tomahawk, but the N.A. warrior was introduced to steel weapons, by the Europeans. Later N.A. warriors also became excellent marksmen with cap and ball muskets. Some historians also feel that the N.A.'s learned the practice of scalping from Europeans.... A more traditional N.A. weapon might be a war hammer, either of wood, or the hip bone of a large animal (Cow, Ox, etc.) Long way of saying european blade techniques most likely are not part of the N.A. "traditional" fighting arts. Walk in Beauty, Hunnunpa a.k.a Charles Richards __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:08:31 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dave Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] boards and kidz Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Walker wrote in response to another nice person's question: >From: "Eric Walker" > Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking children.... > their joints to break. Even if it seems harmless at the moment, there > could be long term effects that may not show up until later in life. If > this information is true, why subject your students to this potential > health risk?> > I also asked this question. I have only seen one response that addresses it > in passing. I guess the fact that people are using thinner, rectangular, > > boards minimizes the risks involved.... > Eric I am not especially fearful of children doing board breaking for several reasons. 1. The boards are small and break EASILY. (plus, the holders typically "help" the munchkin who is breaking). 2. In our school( and I betcha in many others) there is not an exorbitant amount of time spent breaking boards for young students. We are more likely to work on the good stances and powerful kicks that are the foundation of board breaking. 3. When they do break it is infrequent (generally only at testing and pretests) 4. It is really more of a confidence builder than something that teaches or shows true power for small children. We recently had a small make-up test at our local school. There was a 7 y-old 8th gup testing. We seldom do testing at our school and the only boards we had were 12x12... My master told me to "find the hardest board we had." I found one with a flaw in the center that I knew this student could break. Master told him we didn't have any children's boards and he would have to break an adult board. He looked nervous and scared, until he did his step side kick and broke the board !!! His face lit up like a supernova. He has been a MUCH better student since then and I attribute much of that to the confidence he gained when he broke a "real" board. I do agree that beating the Makiwari (spelling?), or beating the devil out of the heavy bag is not appropriate for young students, but this type of board breaking seems to me quite harmless physically, and the morale boast is phenomenal! -- dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:15:23 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] 18 skills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, Another article on Sip P'al-gi, http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2002/11/08/200211080053.asp Andrew --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Miguel" To: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:27:53 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking children.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Note: This is not an endorsement for teaching anyone to break any solid materials. Break at your own risk. Breaking, in general is not a natural thing to practice and can cause harm to both children and adults but, it does help to point out something in your (or their) training; The Power principle of TKD is based not on muscular power or strength, it is based on leverage, focus and speed. I've seen big, muscular people not break through a board because it was more of a "push" than a strike. Breaking during examinations shows if you have mastered this concept and how well. I weigh 150 lbs. and punch through 4 - 8x16 patio blocks, which demonstrates my ability to generate that much concentrated energy. Miguel http://garciatkd.com [if you can't beat your computer at chess. try kickboxing] --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest