Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:12:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #534 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Native american fightin (Kirk Lawson) 2. RE: Top Judo Throws (Farral, Kim) 3. RE: Native American Arts (Stovall, Craig) 4. Re: self-defense advice on the dojang (Ron Bain) 5. Re: teaching an all female self-defense class (Ron Bain) 6. TKD Calendar (Ray Terry) 7. Re: loss of martial spirit (Denise Lee) 8. 11.9.45 (Ray Terry) 9. diet and exercise (freddie bishop) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 8:03:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Native american fightin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Charles Richards > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Native american fighting arts > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Dear Craig > > Here's a clue about N.A. fighting arts. The spagetti westerns always > show the tomahawk, but the N.A. warrior was introduced to steel > weapons, by the Europeans. Later N.A. warriors also became excellent > marksmen with cap and ball muskets. > Some historians also feel that the N.A.'s learned the practice of > scalping from Europeans.... > A more traditional N.A. weapon might be a war hammer, either of wood, > or the hip bone of a large animal (Cow, Ox, etc.) > Long way of saying european blade techniques most likely are not part > of the N.A. "traditional" fighting arts. > > Walk in Beauty, > > Hunnunpa > a.k.a Charles Richards There are examples of Flint/Chert tomahawk heads. Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'Dojang' Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:56:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Top Judo Throws Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When teaching throws...of which I am versed in but a handful of basic throws...I first demonstrate and explain the body positioning, grabbing style, leverage, and general technique...I allow the student to attempt the throw once or twice before explaining the cautions and pitfalls of being countered, then explain and demonstrate the counters to the throw...nothing special really...much of it depends on the student... Pil Seung! The One and Only "Tink" Kim G. Farral 5th Dan TKD ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:19:20 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Native American Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles addressed specifically to me, <<>> Yes, that makes sense. The Native Americans didn't have many well developed agricultural techniques, much less the metallurgical technology and know-how to take raw iron ore and convert it to even the crudest grade of steel. <<>> Not sure why all of this is addressed to me. Did I imply that they WERE a part of "traditional" NA fighting arts when I mentioned Blaise Loong and some of the material that he teaches? Color me more clueless. Thanks. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ron Bain" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:07:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: self-defense advice on the dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Still looking for the Women's Self Defense curriculum/guide....I could have > >swore someone posted it on this list....but then again... > > > >Ron > > > Well, if you are talking about Megan's suggestions for checking if the > course you are taking is covering the correct things for a true > self-defense course, you are right. She put up 10 tips, and someone > else came up with others as well. I will look for it in my records, but > it occurred about jan 2001 to aug 2001. If that helps. > Spunky Thanks Spunky, Will check the archives again. Ron <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ron Bain's Website: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr Korean Hoshinsool On-Line: http://hoshinsulonline.tripod.ca Sr. Software Support Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ron Bain" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:31:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: teaching an all female self-defense class Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Serious question for anyone on male instructors teaching a Women's Self > >Defense course. You mentioned the ground training, which is a valid point. > >How should a Male approach teaching these techniques to an all female class? > >For example the Mount position (and variations). I would assume having them > >practice on each other....but what about initially showing the techniques if > >there's no other males around? Anyone know where I'm coming from here??? > > > >Ron > > > Ron, I agree with Denise that the attitude and demeanor the instructor > demos will help keep the situation from being charged or misinterpreted. > I would however suggest that you bring in a female as an instructor or > aide. Someone you know and trust. As a woman, I would like to say that > my gender would be able to focus on the goal of self-defense and not get > giggly, or find some sort of sexual situation in the defenses, but I > have seen and been told of females who do exactly those things or like > to charge men with unsavory goals no matter how professional the men > are. It's a possibility that could lead to serious repercussions, so if > I were you, I would find a female aide. Thanks again for the input and advice. It's nice to get a female opinion. This was precisely what I was concerned about. As previously mentioned, I have a female daughter who will help me should this proceed. As a side note, I have also been discussing the option of starting an on campus martial arts program. This actually appeals to me a little more. After a year of recuperating from a serious foot break (and some uncertainty about my MA involvement), I have the doctor's OK to resume normal training with some restrictions (was looking at surgery)...so really looking forward to getting either program off the ground. Will let you's know what evolves from this. (Kim, haven't forgotten about your offer) Ron <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Ron Bain's Website: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~bainr Korean Hoshinsool On-Line: http://hoshinsulonline.tripod.ca Sr. Software Support Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:54:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Calendar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The_Dojang's calendar of Sport Taekwondo Events Nov 8, 2002 http://MartialArtsResource.com http://the-dojang.net Dates and locations subject to change. 2002 Western Intl Champs Nov 9 Las Vegas, Nevada BSU Open Nov 9 Boise, Idaho Mid-Atlantic TKD Nov 9 Winston-Salem, N. Carolina Virginia State Festival Nov 9 Springfield, Virginia Garden State Nov 11 Rahway, New Jersey ITF Goodwill Champs Nov 16 Bridgeport, Connecticut NC AAU Harvest Tourny Nov 16 Fayetteville, N. Carolina ITF Irish Open Nov 17 Cork City, Ireland ETU Solidarity Nov 22-24 Minsk, Belarus Castle Rock Extreme TKD Nov 23 Castle Rock, Colorado AAU Freedom Cup Nov 24 Rockaway, New Jersey 19th Central American Games Nov 28-Dec 1 San Salvador, El Salvador ITF World Junior Champs Dec 1-8 Ponce, Puerto Rico USTF Winter Nationals Dec 6-7 Hot Springs, Arkansas AAU Fall Classic Dec 7 Lawrenceville, Georgia ITF Russia Open Dec 7-8 Saint Petersburg, Russia 2nd Senador Cup Dec 8 Arecibo, Puerto Rico 18th Boeskool Trophy Dec 14 Oldenzall, Netherlands 2003 11th Pan Arab Games TBD Algeria Australian Olympic Youth Festival Jan 8-12 Sydney, Australia NC AAU Winter Tourny Jan 18 Fayetteville, N. Carolina Master Choi Cup Down Under Jan 19 Melbourne, Australia AAU Spar Wars Jan 25 Marietta, Georgia 1st Incas Open Jan 31-Feb 2 Lima, Peru Indiana Open Jan Indianapolis, Indiana ITF French Open Feb 1-2 Thonon-les-Bains, France US Open Feb 19-23 Las Vegas, Nevada 1st PROTAE-ITF Puerto Rico Open Feb 21-23 Arecibo, Puerto Rico Int Flor Pokal Open Feb 22-23 Elmshorn, Germany European Juniors Feb 28-Mar 2 Athens, Greece ITF Italian Open March 1-2 Riccione, Italy Indy Cup March 15 Indianapolis, Indiana 1st Paris Open March 15-16 Paris, France ITF Intl FITE Open March 22 Madrid, Spain 1st Technical Paris Open March 22-23 Paris, France Dutch Open March 29-30 Eindhoven, Netherlands Moja Kwan Invitational March 29 Roswell, Georgia AAU Georgia Qualifier March 29 Smryna, Georgia 2nd Pan Am Junior March Rio de Janeiro, Brazil South Carolina State Champs March Rock Hill, S. Carolina Canadian TKD Champs April 11-13 Mont-Tremblant, Quebec German Open April 26-27 Bonn, Germany 4th TKD Masters Cup April 26-27 Geleen, Netherlands ITF North American Champs April Ottawa, Canada 29th US National TKD Champs May 21-25 New Orleans, Louisana Danish Int Poomsae Champs May 24 Kolding, Denmark 13th World ITF Seniors June 12-15 Warsaw, Poland ITF Chi Cup Open June 14 Punto Fijo, Venezuela ITF NAG German Open June 21-22 Wetzlar, Germany Canadian Juniors June 27-20 Winnipeg, Manitoba USTU Junior Nationals June 28-July 5 Orlando, Florida 12th South Pacific Games June 28-July 12 Suva, Fiji European Technical Champs June France AAU Nationals July 2-5 Knoxville, Tennessee AAU Junior Olympics July 27-Aug 1 Detroit, Michigan 14th Pan American Games Aug 1-15 Santo Domingo, Dominican Rep USTU National Team Trials Aug 24-25 Colorado Springs, Colorado 3rd World Military Games Aug-Sept Madrid, Spain 9th Women's World TKD Champs Sept 24-28 Garmisch, Germany 16th World TKD Champs Sept 24-28 Garmisch, Germany 22nd World University Games Sept 24-28 Taegu, Korea ITF World Seniors Sept 25-28 Las Vegas, Nevada Swedish Open Oct 4-5 Malmo, Sweden 2nd PATU Juniors Oct 15-18 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil ITF Open Champs Oct 25-26 Auckland, New Zealand World Quals for Athens Dec 2-5 Paris, France 22nd SouthEast Asian Games Dec HoChiMinh City, Vietnam Olympic Games TKD Test Event Dec-Feb Athens, Greece 8th African Champs or early 2004 Accra, Ghana 2004 European Champs for Teams Feb Grenoble, France Pan American Quals Feb Miami, Florida Olympic Test Event March Athens, Greece 13th Women's European Senior TKD May 4-9 Lillehammer, Norway 15th European Senior TKD Champs May 4-9 Lillehammer, Norway 8th World University Champs June 1-3 Patra, Greece 2004 Olympic Games Aug 26-29 Athens, Greece Canadian Juniors TBD Dartmouth, Nova Sciotia 2005 4th East Asian Games TBD Macao, China ITF Senior World Champs TBD Uzbekistan 23rd Universiade July 16-26 Izmir, Turkey 2006 15th Asian Games Dec 11-14 Doha, Qatar Please submit updates and corrections. Ray Terry California Taekwondo and Hapkido http://MartialArtsResource.com The_Dojang, the Internet's discussion forum for Korean Martial Arts http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Denise Lee" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:27:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: loss of martial spirit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Erik: Perhaps I can add one more perspective to the wonderful ideas that have been shared by other members of the DD for you to consider. I tell my students (as well as myself!) that if you never want to quit, there's something wrong with your training experience. If it always goes smoothly then there is no challenge to grow in your purpose. We need to be driven (human nature is to develop habits) to ask ourselves "Why? Why do I do this? What is it that drives me to continue studying the martial arts?" I know of NO ONE who has stayed in the arts for a long time who has not found reasons along the way that are different from or are added to those that got them started in the first place. It is often a struggle like yours that might cause one to step back & ask: "Why am I doing this? What is my purpose?" If we are to mature, we should find new reasons to train as we grow in skills & understanding. In GM Hwang Kee's translation of the Sip Sahm Seh (Song of Thirteen Influences), it is stated: ". . . Give awareness and purpose to every movement." and " . . . Beginners are guided by oral teaching. Gradually one applies himself more. Skill will take care of itself." So one of our responsibilities, if we are to be "good" students is periodically to re-commit ourselves to martial arts training. In your situation, Erik, you have been away from your dojang for a while, have thus lost some of your "connection" with your fellow students & to some extent with your instructor. Change has happened while you were away -- both in your school & in yourself. Dealing with your Dad's illness, especially with it's potential -- happily a positive outcome! -- has probably affected your view of life & what's important in your own life. If you can find at least one reason to train, then you can commit yourself. If not, it is out of habit & without true purpose. A waste of your time. And your Dad's recent illness has probably affected how you view your own time on this earth? So, if you ask yourself "Why do I want to train?" you may find it a more pleasant experience. Perhaps right now, your training might be a respite from life's stress. Training as a "habit" until your physical fitness begins to be re-established, helping you to feel better both physically & mentally. At the same time, you will be re-integrating yourself into your dojang's community & re-establishing your relationship with your instructor(s). There's 5 "why's" (stress respite, physical fitness, mental stimulation, re-connecting with your fellow students, re-establishing your relationship with your instructor) which will also facilitate your increased skill & understanding as a result of the physical repetitions of your "rusty" techniques. Perhaps you will try this & discover that you just plain don't enjoy the martial arts any more. This happens. Maybe you want to try a different way get physically fit, find a different stress-reliever, associate with different people -- for now, or maybe for good. This happens, too. Then maybe at some time (could be years from now! -- ask some of the DD members) you may want to "finish what you started." This also happens -- a LOT. So you return to your dojang & start with a fresh perspective & purpose. IMHO it's important, Erik, that you not allow your training to add to the stress (physical, mental, spiritual) of your life. Adding a few more phrases from GM Hwang Kee's SSS translation that was partially quoted above: " . . . Give awareness and purpose to every movement. When done correctly all will appear effortless. . . . Keep alert and seek the meaning and purpose of your art. Bent and stretched, open and closed. Let nature take its course. . . " As in all poetic interpretation, there are nuances to the meaning of this one. Sure, this applies to the physicality, etc. of the arts, but also to our own essence as the practitioners. We are challenged, we find & dedicate ourselves to a purpose, we grow, we are again challenged, we find & dedicate/re-dedicate ourselves to a purpose/purposes . . . & the beat goes on & on & on. And then we die. Oh, and if we enjoy a few beers, the company of good friends, the love of our spouse/kids/parents/sibs/etc. along the way, we die happy:) I truly hope that you find a way to enjoy your martial artistry, Erik, & hope this might have been of some help. Denise --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:19:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 11.9.45 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Birthday to the Moo Duk Kwan Born November 9, 1945 Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:05:28 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] diet and exercise Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have good results with a high protein diet. My carbohydrate intake is never higher than 30 grams a day. It took a while to adjust to this regimen but it has been well worth the effort. I have reduced my bodyweight by 20%. That weight loss shows in on my waist, I lost 8 inches! I have always been insulin sensitive, but this diet keeps my blood sugar levels on an even keel. I include 30 minutes of treadmill walking first thing in the morning right after my 1 cup of coffee. The treadmill workout is intense because I include 30 second sprints for every 3 minutes of walking. My walking pace is between 3.6 and 4.0 mph. My portable CD player keeps me motivated towards the end of the workout. Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest