Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #541 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Relocation (Kevin Janisse) 2. Kuksul-won (Andrew Pratt) 3. RE: Low Carb Diet (Don Moore) 4. RE: Moonies (Chris LaCava) 5. Tang Soo Do Hyung Origins (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 6. RE: NA Weapons (Kirk Lawson) 7. slow list (Joe Gorges) 8. dobak (bill) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:17:45 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Relocation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Fellow MA's, I am finally relocated and back online in the Portland, OR area. I welcome any members of the DD close to the area to contact me. Any recommendations on instructors or clubs in the area would be appreciated. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse kevin_janisse@hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:14:38 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuksul-won Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is for all the Kuksul-won practitioners on the list. Late last night on Korean TV, there was a documentary on Kuksul-won. The documentary followed an American Kuksul-won club from Houston. The club was managed by husband-and-wife team of Barry Harmon and Lee Jun-ok (please excuse errors in the names, I have had to transcribe and guess from Hangul), both 8th dan. The documentary focused on two mid-dans in particular, Malcolm Dobson (3rd Dan) and David Awo (?), 2nd Dan. The club sent about 20 people to visit Korea. They first visited Paekdam temple in Kangwondo for an introduction to Buddhist meditation (interestingly one of the women in the group had earlier said that she liked sending her children to learn Kuksul-won because it reinforced her church's teaching on respect). Then they travelled to a couple of places for competitions, including a major event in Pusan. There were various clips of patterns (empty handed and weapons) and sparing. There wasn't too much coverage of self-defence techniques though. Interestingly, for the sparing, the fighters wore both WTF-style hogus and ITF-style hand and foot guards. I also noted that there were few people watching the fights (in the stands I mean) and that quite a few round-eyes were judging, which was a nice surprise. There was also one Englishman interviewed, Adrian Jackson, but it did not say whether he was teaching in the UK or in the states. Oh yes, at dojang that David Awoo runs in the US was beautiful. Large, clean, high roof, kick bag and weights, seating area, and the all-important swimming pool at the back. I think I will revise my dojang plans accordingly ;-). Unfortunately, because I came across the programme while channel hopping, I did not record the programme :-(. Regards, Andrew --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:30:19 -0600 From: Don Moore To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Low Carb Diet Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jon, I was able to MAINTAIN my weight while eating anything I wanted one day a week. ( Interesting though, when I was weight training in the morning 30 minutes, three times a week I was able to lose weight and still "splurge" one or two days a week!) I think the best thing to do is to experiment and find the best balance for youreslf. Stick to a healthy method that works for YOU. Don > Hey Don, > > Were you giving yourself that one day a week to eat anything you want while > you were losing weight, or after you lost the weight and were maintaining > it? --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:11:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Moonies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig: It's possible. Here in Connecticut, the University of Bridgeport is owned by Rev. Sun Myung Moon. I did some prereq. work there to get into Tri-State College of Acupuncture. I also took a martial arts class (Won Wha Do) while attending and I was approached. That was my last semester there. Take care Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:59:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tang Soo Do Hyung Origins Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fred and Dave, You are correct that most of the old forms come to Tang Soo Do by way of Okinawa. Some may have originated in China and been diseminated to Okinawa through trade and political alliance. Niahanchi and Kong Sang Koon may have developed in China. Many see strong chinese influence in forms such as Seisan and Ro Hai. Many also believe that the Jion hyung along with one or two other forms often refered to as Temple forms came from a Budhist Temple in China. However some of the higher forms have no conection to Okinawa. Tae Kuk Kwon is actually nearly identical to the Yang Style Tai Chi form. A lot of Tang Soo Masters are searching for So Rim Jang Kwon which translates to english as Shaolin Long Fist. The form may be lost to us, and its origins are unclear. Also, Do Ju Nim Hwang created two sets of forms in recent years, the Chil Sung and the Yuk Rho. Current word in SBDMDK is that these forms will replace some of the long time favorites such as the Pyung Ahn hyung, which will be made optional. Tang Soo! Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<> Who created the forms of tang soo do, was it Hwang > Kee or some Okinawans? > Fred>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:18:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] NA Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" > To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:00:45 -0600 > Subject: [The_Dojang] NA Weapons > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Charles, > > All cultures in North America were stone age upon first > contact. I don't agree > with the lack of progressive agriculture, it was there, but not in all > cultures. > But no cultures had metal capabilities. That is open to the definition of "metal capabilities." Various tribes, including the Cahokia mound builders in Illinios, used hammered copper for some tools and jewlry. The belief is that the copper was a trade item found naturally occuring in the Great Lakes region and traded as nuggets to be hammered and that no real attempts at smelting occured. The Cahokia civilization used these copper nuggets hammered into short rounded rods and embedded into wood or bone to create presure flakers for use in flint / chert knapping as well as for jewlrey, etc. > Keep in mind that the current archaeological theory, > based on numerous finds, is that the common tool kit included mostly > "preforms",that is knapped but unfinished blades that could be finished > into various tools > within a few minutes by a skilled worker. So they could be > made into scraper, > knife or projectile point in short order. The recent glacier man finds included knapping tools. The speculation was for repairing / re-edging. He was carrying broken and damaged arrows, etc. > Also, anyone that has ever tried to make > their own bow and arrows knows that the manufacture of these > weapons requires significant knowledge and skill. It requires special wood, harvested at specific times, aged properly and protected in specific ways. It requires special maintenance techniques. And that's just for your *basic* bow. The English Long Bow was a nature made laminate being made from one small portion of the tree so that it would be heartwood on one side and sapwood on the other. Other cultures had bizarely complex systems of laminates, horn, assorded different woods, glues, resins,... It's mind boggling what a bow craftsman had to know and peform. We wholehearatedly agree. Primitive doesn't mean stupid. Peace favor your sword --- "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Joe Gorges" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:55:38 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] slow list Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Terry, have fun on your trip to hawaii! Sounds like fun...almost as much fun as it is back here in Wisconsin where the temp is like 5 :( haha Respectfully yours, Joe Gorges _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "bill" To: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:43:49 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] dobak Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net where can I find belts and uniforms size 8 and up. I have a couple of large students that have attended for 1 month introductory class and now want to join. Thanks in advance. bill m --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest