Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:48:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #545 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Low Carb (Linda Valdivia) 2. RE: Low Carb (Kakita Kentei) 3. Back from Fort Wayne (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 4. Low carb mania (michael tomlinson) 5. Re: Women in Martial arts History (Denise Lee) 6. Carb/Protein/Fats (Khalkee@netscape.net) 7. Personal Space (CALLAHAN) 8. Married Southerners (Charles Richards) 9. Sparring drills (Laurie S.) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Linda Valdivia Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Low Carb To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I promised myself I'd stay out of this one, but.... sorry, can't do it! I tried for years to eat a healthly, sensible balanced diet consisting of 'good' carbs, low fat, etc. During that time I continued to gain weight, about 5 lbs a year, until I weighed in at 200 lbs when I was 43 years old! I was tired all of the time, barely had the energy to accomplish my everyday tasks, and would NEVER have had the energy to expend for martial art training. I tried to exercise regularly, but was usually so exhausted that it was a great burden, certainly not an enjoyable experience. I was requiring a minimum of 8 hours a sleep a night, and was still very tired, especially mid afternoon. In the past 2 years, I have slowly (actually, in spurts) lost over 40 lbs on a low carb diet, and I am still losing. I now sleep about 6 hours a night, train 5-6 nights a week, and have more energy than I know what to do with! I never have those mid-afternoon slumps anymore, and I am not hungry all the time, either. For me, low carb has been a life saver, literally. I am not trying to convert anyone to this way of eating.. we all have to do what is best for our own body, but please, lets at least consider that there may be another side to it... --- Khalkee@netscape.net wrote: > It's wise to pay attention to reports re: the fad of > low-carbohydrate "diets". > ... especially considering the effects > of increased protein consumption on the body: > kidney stones and gout. In reality, there really isn't any research that shows that low carb causes kidney or liver damage, or any of the other things that the media likes to tell us. Also, most low carb diets are in fact NOT "high protein" but moderate protein, anyway And, we've all heard that eating higher quantities of fat like one does on a low carb diet will lead to high cholesterol and heart disease, but the latest research is showing the opposite of that, too. Maybe it is in everyone's best interest to completely investigate both sides of the story. Mounting evidence is beginning to show that what we have always assumed regarding low fat vs low carb dieting may not be so accurate after all. Check out http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Living/ap20021119_371.html or the article that appeared in the New York Times in July that cause a such a big stir... http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/07FAT.html or this... http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_9952.html Linda ===== "That which does not kill me makes me stronger" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Kakita Kentei" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Low Carb Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:04:00 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ryan, I work for Atkins. I'm trained with the diet extensively. Executed properly, the body will break fat down, the process creating glucose and ketones. Ketones get flushed, and glucose gets burned. The four phases of the Atkins lifestyle create a state of ketosis, (not the evil ketoacidosis), by which your body converts stored fat into energy. Careful examination of a lipid molecule, (which itself is a very long chain hydrocarbon, shows that breaking it down yields energy and various byproducts. It's a far longer process than digesting carbohydrates such as monosaccharides, disaccharides, and polysaccharides, which take at most three steps to arrive at glucose, which is the only substance the body can use for fuel, the byproduct of buring glucose yields carbon dioxide, water and energy. However, the human body can burn three key kind of fuels, alcohol, carbs, and fat. The regulating mechanism for this is insulin. Ingesting alcohol bypasses insulin and the body burns it first. Ingesting carbohydrates such as sucrose or lactose, causes the body to produce insulin, which breaks the sugars into glucose, which is then burned. Per gram, the energy yield for burning sugars is very low, and of a very short duration, which is why when eating sugars you get a short high, then a low. Starches, a more complex carb, takes a bit longer to break down, ultimately into glucose, but is still lower in energy per gram than fat. However, when the body burns carbs, a chemical message gets passed along prompting the body to store fat. (The body is an adaptive engine after all.) To reverse the process, one must reduce the carbohydrate content of one's diet. Reduce. Not Eliminate. The body still requires some carbs to function. Dr. Atkins, a cardiologist, has performed clinical trials, and found that the least amount of carbohydrates a human could intake and still achieve a state of ketosis (or lipolysis) was 20 grams of carbohydrate per day. He also found that if one limited the perserving amount of carbs to 2g or less, results were optimal. However, 20g of carbs is a very low number. (1/15th the RDA per USDA.) What Dr. Atkins did was create a four stage program. Phase 1 is Induction. It's the most restrictive of the stages, with the following requirements: A. 20 grams of net carbs per day, maximum, and minimum. B. No more that 2g net carbs per single serving of a single food. C. More than half of the days carbs should come from green leafy vegetables such as lettuce, spinach, arugula etc. (This is not just because these are low in carbs, but are also high in fiber, and high in nutrients which you'd not get otherwise.) D. Meat is not just allowed but encouraged, since there are no carbs. E. 8 - 8oz glasses of water minimum. F. Dietary Supplementation, to replace nutrients not found in foods on Induction. G. Exercise. Mandatory. One should get at least 30 minutes of sustained activity causing the body to reach the target heart rate and stay there. Induction typically lasts 14 days. On average people in Dr. Atkin's study lost between 5 and 15 pounds. Phase 2 is a bit more complicated in that the above rules are followed, except the following. A. Daily carb intake stages up on a weekly basis in increments of 5g per day, until no weight is lost, then backed up 5g, which is called the Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing. B. Single serving carb counts can vary between 3 and 9 grams of carbs. Phase 3 is Pre-maintenance. A. Daily Carb intake is staged up in 10g increments weekly, until no weight is lost or gained. This is the Critical Carbohydrate Level for Maintenance. B. Single serving carb counts can't exceed 10g. Phase 4 is maintenance where you stay at the carb level found in Pre-Maintenance. This is a nutshell version of the diet. Far more information can be found in his book "Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution", as well as at www.atkinscenter.com Properly performed, the Atkins lifestyle can help people. However, just eliminating carbs isn't doing Atkins. The FDA and the AMA and others are starting to come around that this does in fact work. Thanks for your time, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Parks [mailto:rcp1987@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:59 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Low Carb Yes, I agree this diet is definitely NOT good for your overall health; first of all, people lost weight because the primary energy source of your body's cells are carbohydrates (made up of glucose) and when you starve your body of carbs, like in a low carb diet, your body goes straight to eating away stored lipids (which is stored as fat, causing weight loss) and proteins. This is why Atkins recommends eating more often with this diet, since proteins and fats are both for gradual unsustained activity, which is why you need carbohydrates. So you can see why the Atkins diet (and other low carb diets) work: they literally eat away at your body, and if you don't take in enough carbs they start eating you muscles, causing fatigue, muscle loss, and a general feeling of tiredness. I would never recommend anyone being on an a low carb diet for sustained periods of time. Ryan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:01:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back from Fort Wayne Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We made it home from the hapkido seminar with Master West in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Master West was in great form Saturday and the clinic was a huge success. His usual humor kept the day going and everyone entertained. Master West drove from Jackson, with 4 assistants from 1st dan - 4th dan. 54 people showed up from all over the Midwest (from Wisconsin to Kansas). We practiced basic techniques, pressure points, speed throws, ki strikes, ki breathing, etc. It was great to see old friends and meet so many folks from this group. I would like to thank my partner for the day, Master Kim Farral of Farral's taekwondo who only drove 4 miles to attend! Kim, you are a true gentlemen and it was a pleasure spending the day throwing you around and introducing you to our hapkido. On another note, I don't think I have been to that many buffet's outside of Jackson! BTW - I got the group photo back from Anthony and if anyone who attended (there are several lurkers who said hi) wants a copy, just send me an email. The new website is almost finished and it will be there as well... Jere R. Hilland. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:13:53 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Low carb mania Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ryan writes that a low carb diet eats away your body,, well Yeah! That is the idea!! And then states that if you stay on it it will eat your muscle,, well your wrong there.. During a high protein diet your muscle doesn't disappear but grows!!! Ever see bodybuilders before a contest? No carbs at all for around six weeks and they get ripped, not dead, I know, they do a lot of other stuff too that is not good but this is the basic concept of eating for strentgh athletes that has been around since the turn of the last century,, 1900, strength athletes in track, weightlifting, and a lot of wrestlers and footballers eat this way, it is not a "new" diet... If you eat a high carb diet you will eat your muscle away if you become calorie deficient. Protein builds muscle, what does high carbs build? if you want to see someone who is in a severe muscle eating stage look at most marathon runners, that is what the body looks like when it is emaciated. What do most marathon runners eat exclusively? That's right, a very very high carb diet for energy.. I just read in the newspaper last night,, the Daytona Beach Journal, which had an article in it from the Chicago paper that scientists have ran tests on groups eating a low carb Atkins diet and their cholesteral actually dropped! They are now funded to do further tests on it. This doesn't surprise me, I just started laughing because the same thing happened to me,, I bet in about 10 years or so you will see a trend of lowering the carb intake in this country,, but it's ok if you folks don't believe in this way of eating.. to each his own, but,, it is not a diet,, it has been around for thousands of years,, Imagine that you are in a culture that involves much food gathering from you, no supermarket no power bars no big gulps,, etc.. Guess which foods have the lowest amount of carbs,,, Meat,, eggs,, dark green vegetable,, nuts,, and berries,,, oh does this maybe sound familiar? Maybe if you were living 300 years ago this is what you would eat naturally,, no Fat Free food back then, no 7-11 etc... this is a natural way to eat, our bodies are funtioning on a biological clock that isn't set for the year 2002, again this way of eating isn't for everyone and I can respect that, but don't tell me to read more on it,, I have and I can tell when someone is just reciting something they heard from a "nutritionist", IMHO that job is as about as important to me as a "physical trainer", come on!! and to each his own but to coin a phrase from a friend of mine,,, "you can't pee down my back and tell me it's raining because I know better!!!! I guess the reason I lost 105 pounds my cholesterol dropped from 350 to 212 and my triglycerides went from a crazy amount of 390 to 60 and the fact that I feel the best I ever have and have the cardio and strength ability now that I didn't even have when I was 18 must be some weird coincidence!! But that's ok, I guess I'll get scared and go back to eating that "fat free" lifestyle, be miserable, get fat again, have my blood pressure go back off the charts etc.. etc.. just because some nutritionist doesn't "think" what Atkins says is right,,, yeah ok,, I MUST be a fool! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Denise Lee" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Women in Martial arts History Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:35:36 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Landa- If you haven't already found this resource, it might be useful to you. http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_svinth_0201.htm This particular article is specific to judo but it's followed by some pretty good links to other articles. I hope this helps! Denise > I was wondering if anyone has any information on women in martial arts > history? I have been searching the net, library books, and any other source > but only found about 2. There will be a seminar at my Dojo and I want to help > the host with this program. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:39:00 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Carb/Protein/Fats Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I will respect your right to overlook > the "overanalyzing" as long as you > have ALL the facts and choose to do so. IMHO that's well said Brooke. I would encourage anyone with a brain to use it to its fullest. When we pursue facts through reasoning, testing, proving ... we're not overanalyzing ... we're getting at the truth. What we can tolerate over short periods of time has no bearing on what holds true for us in general and/or in the long run. Consider: if/when the body begins to use -gluconeogenesis- to get energy from protein any/all organs can suffer as the body begins to scavenge and break down structural 'stuff' for energy. This includes the heart ... and I don't think that the heart has the capacity to recover from loss of muscle tissue. The natural electrical pattern of heart conductivity gets screwed up and that's a one way trip. Better to get the facts and dump the jive that some people push TO MAKE MONEY while disregarding the potential negative effects on the unknowing. Fats & Lipids = "Premium" for endurance and/or emergencies Carbohydrates = "Regular" for everything Amino Acids = From proteins ... Not a NORMAL Fuel Class This is basic, fundamental physiology which we cannot change. The smart athlete learns how to use fats to up his/her game ;-) Carbs + Fats sorta like jet fuel ... carbs run the physiology that help us to get more bang per gram out of fat stores. Better to have a long term lifestyle practice in place which results in gradual reduction of 'excessive' fat stores. This, once conditioned (remembered?) becomes a no-brainer way-to-live. You may find yourself stronger, more alert, and have greater endurance once you reach a 'normal' balance btwn intake and activity. Also helpful to manipulate intake of fats per expected physical demands, e.g., more fats before endurance activities. This is why some physiologists are adding medium-chain triglycerides to pre-activity fuel sources for endurance athletes. This is also why women have historically been better at long distance running than men. It's related to typical differences in body weight fat percentages. Not overanalysis ... just the facts. We either know or we don't know. If we call it overanalysis, then in general in life it is better to overanalyze (get ALL of the facts) than to underanalyze (get NONE of the facts?;-). Without facts we have beliefs, and belief implies "No proff required." Not agood place to hang out in, cuz then we can sell you anything! Just have to get you to believe it ... and behavioral science informs us that all we have to do to get you to believe it ... is repeat it. Hitler and his behavioral scientists knew this and used it to promote their "platform". Say something enuf and the people will tolerate it (they may grumble). Continue to say it and they will accept it (they stop grumbling). Say it some more and they will believe it/support it/promote it (they will shout it for you). The ability to reason critically is critical :-) Critical thinking serves us, we can't do too much of it. To consider it "overanalysis" may be a sign of lax reasoning, unwillingness to use our capacity for reasoning, and/or mental laziness. We know what this can do and it's being used to manipulate the entire society through the media everyday one way or another. Eventually people prefer their emotional reactions to reasoning (reasoning, critical thinking, involves more work!). So too all "fad" stuff wherein we wind up blindly following without rigorously eyeballin' and scrutinizin' what's actually goin' on. Enuf of my noise. Be well. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:55:32 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: CALLAHAN Subject: [The_Dojang] Personal Space Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry about the poor timing, but this kind of goes back to the self-defense thread. While teaching a self-defense class I feel there should be some discussion about maintaining a minimum amount of personal space all the way around yourself, my thought being about a 3 foot radius - although everyone may have a different distance in mind depending on their sense of comfort. So, here is my question - What type of drills can be performed with the students to help reinforce this idea and establish positive reactions when someone gets too close? Thanks --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:23:31 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Married Southerners Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My heartfelt congratulations and best wishes to my dear friend and associate, Master Rich Hodder, now of Seabrook, TX, who "walked down the aisle" this past Friday, with one of the nicest women I have ever met. Everyone at "West's HapKiDo" wishes you happiness and long life (but not too long).......J. R. West <> As usual I will have to agree with GM West. I am proud to know Master Hodder as a mentor and friend. He has now joined me as a southerner and married man. I wish he and his new bride a lifetime of balance and harmony. Walk in Beauty, Charles R. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:29:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring drills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hiya all. Since we are on the subject of sparring, I need help also. I don't want to draw the attention away from Andy, because he asked first. But this may help him, also. I am also going to a tourny in December (15). I am going to spar in a tourny for the first time there. I do WTF TKD style sparring. For those of you who don't know the rules: No hand contact to the head (which is something I'm still getting used to coming from TSD), no take downs, and no hits below the belt. Anyways, when I spar in the dojang, I seem to be having trouble with "punchers." The ones who move in on you and just pound away at your vest. I'm a kicker, so I'm useless when this happens. When I'm up against another kicker, I can do pretty good, I think. Please help. Thanks in advance. Laurie High green belt TKD (soon to be blue Dec 11 ... wooohooo). (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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