Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:02:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #548 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Bugbear again.... (Grant_Orchard@spe.sony.com) 2. Re: to push or not to push (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 3. Master Chuck Seref (Todd Miller) 4. Re: Sparring drills (Laurie S.) 5. RE: Michael Fell and Tae Yun Kim (Stovall, Craig) 6. Re: Master Chuck Seref (Ray Terry) 7. Kong Sang Koon (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. RE: Those long-lived Okinawans (Stovall, Craig) 9. Re: Kong Sang Koon (Ray Terry) 10. (no subject) (Dave Steffen) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Grant_Orchard@spe.sony.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net cc: ericules@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:27:08 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bugbear again.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Erik, If you can check the SMTP originator you can find the culprit that sent you the virus. If it's spoofed the address as the DD then you'll probably find it's someone who's subscribed to the DD but also has your address in their system. Hope this helps. Respectfully, Grant Orchard --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:12:26 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: to push or not to push Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "What you have to do is just punch them back, as hard as you can, kind of pushing them back (but don't push them or you'll get a warning), then just kick them while they're stumbling back." the last ustu referee seminar i went to taught that pushing back was allowable if your hands were in fists against the hogu (no open handed pushing allowed) and you were pushing the opponent away so that you could throw technique. anyone else want to chime in on this? take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2003 Annual Show Me State Open Martial Arts Tournament --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:13:57 -0500 From: Todd Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Chuck Seref Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Which group is Master Seref with? Todd Miller --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:47:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sparring drills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ryan wrote: <<<>>> Thanks Ryan. But one more question. I hope I don't seem "stupid" because I still don't know WTF rules (only TSD ones), but here goes: Punches don't count? Or does it count, but not as much as kicks points, wise? Miguel wrote: <<<>>> Yes, I kick very hard if I want to, but usually don't in class so I don't hurt fellow students. But in a tourny, like the one I'm going to, it's full contact, so I will definitely try that :o) <<<>>> Yes, I can kick to the head, and that is a very good idea. I like the "open" stance for head shots. And I do make use of the front leg kicks a lot. I will put your suggestions to practice in open class this saturday :o) Thanks again, for your help. Laurie High Blue belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:27:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Michael Fell and Tae Yun Kim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael, Can you provide some background information on Tae Yun Kim? Specifically, can you relate some of the instructors that she has trained with in her lifetime? At what time, and for how long did she train? What are the arts that she has formally trained in? Who was her primary mentor on the road to Grandmaster status? Does she hold any formal ranking in one of the larger Korean martial arts associations (ITF, WTF, Kukkiwon, ATA, etc.)? I've asked these things before both on this list and elsewhere, but getting specific information on her is a bit like pulling hen's teeth (but then again my "research" has not been very exhaustive). Any light you can shed on the subject would be appreciated. Thanks. And while I agree that she is a very attractive lady, I fear that you have broken fresh ground by being the first martial artist to refer to his GM as being "hot";) Craig "The Hope of Arkansas" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Chuck Seref To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:59:21 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Which group is Master Seref with? Gm Sereff is with the USTF. As of Oct 18 Gm Sereff and the USTF are no longer with the ITF (either one). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:10:48 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kong Sang Koon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Eamonn, Cho Dan is pretty early to be learning Kong Sang Koon in a Tang Soo Dojang. It is usually a sam dan hyung. You need to check out Karate-do Kyohan by Funakoshi Gichen and some other books on Okinawan Forms such as Karate Kata and Applications by Morris and Trimble. There are others, but these are the ones I'm looking at in my bookcase at work. Some Japanese/Okinawans claim Kanku or Kanku Dai (Dai means greater) was developed by Tode Sakagawa based on a system he learned from a Chinese envoy to Okinawa. Others believe the envoy, known as Kong Sang Koon actually brought the form from China as a part of his system, which he taught to Tode Sakegawa. You should be able to find historic references to the dates of that cultural exchange delegation being sent to Okinawa. I have never seen any other information regarding the Chinese system from whence it came/was developed though there is some speculation in some translations of the Karate Bible(sorry I'm brain dead this morning, can't remember the Japanese Title, but there are at least 2 translations out, the best of which is by Alexander. Good Luck. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:51:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Those long-lived Okinawans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Randall wrote, <<>> That's interesting. Recently, I was up late one night feeding my 3-month old (yes, ladies...I am Superhusband), and settled upon an infomercial with a doctor hocking some sort of high-powered calcium supplement. He related the fact that the Okinawans were particularly long-lived, and attributed this to their practice of literally ingesting a particular type of coral that is unique to the waters of that region. Evidently, this coral is a rich source of calcium, and allowed for complete digestion and absorption of the calcium into the system (whereas most supplements are not completely absorbed). As you can imagine, his supplement did the same thing, and for a low, low price you too can have the health and longevity of your average Okinawan. So, have you heard of this? Also, what is it about their particular diet (besides eating tasty coral) that would contribute toward better health and longer life? I would imagine they eat a ton of fish, little to no red meat, and rice by the bushel basket. Close? In addition, how much of their longevity could be attributed to their little corner of the gene pool as opposed to lifestyle? I haven't seen statistics, but I imagine that the Okinawans are not going to challenge the Sudanese any time soon for the title of "World's Tallest People". I've heard that a shorter, stockier stature is easier on the old heart, and would contribute to a longer life on average. Any truth to that? Anyway, what's the skinny on the Okinawans? Are they all on the Atkin's Diet or what? And to keep this on topic...ummmmmm...I like TKD better than Goju-ryu. Can I get an amen? Craig "I ain't eatin no coral" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kong Sang Koon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:23:15 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Okinawa. I have never seen any other information regarding the Chinese system > from whence it came/was developed though there is some speculation in some > translations of the Karate Bible(sorry I'm brain dead this morning, can't > remember the Japanese Title, but there are at least 2 translations out, the > best of which is by Alexander. Bubishi. Geo Alexander's title is Bubishi: Martial Art Spirit. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Dave Steffen Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:57:46 -0700 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Dave Weller > > So, Exactly how many ITF's are there now? > 1. in N. Korea with Chang Ung as head. > 2. another in Canada with Gen. Choi's son at the helm. > 3. and another group based in Vienna with Russell MacLellan running > the show. > > Is this right? Almost. There's really only two, with one of them having a leadership... ummm... argument. ;-) General Choi's son, Choi Jung Hwa, is in charge of one of the ITF's. He calls it "the New ITF", I think. The other ITF is the one that General Choi would be in charge of, if he was still around. Master MacLellan was appointed interim President when the General died. Chang Ung was unanimously elected President at a meeting in North Korea. Master MacLellan (and others) claim that this election was illegal, and all kinds of fun things have happened since. > I feel for the dedicated ITF practitioners who are caught in the > midst of this maelstrom. Does anyone see hope for this > organization to return to a single entity, or will there be 3 (or > more) ITF's when the dust settles? The current issues in the "Old" (?) ITF will almost certainly be settled without the organization breaking up, although I suspect some people won't be in it. ;-) Reconcilliation between the "old" and "new" ITF's is a much thornier issue. Master Choi, Jung Hwa created some _very_ bad feelings when he did what he did. > From: Ray Terry > > Yep, and I suspect there will be more as time goes on. But then > there were several ITF-splinter groups prior to the above. Of > course, they didn't attempt to name their group ITF. Right - people have been coming and going from the ITF for a long time. What's happening now is that _big_ splits are happening, and people are arguing about who gets to use the "ITF" name. The current issues in the "old" ITF are, IMHO, simply aftershocks of the General's death. He was a central figure to the organization, and it was perhaps inevitable that a period of mild anarchy would follow his death. As it happens, Grand Master Hwang has been in Colorado for the past few days, and I've had the chance to talk with him quite a bit about the current situation. I don't know how long it will take to clear things up, but I'm confident things will be sorted out. IMHO, ITF students and instructors should do what I'm doing - keep training, and let the Grand Masters sort it out. ;-) ;-) ;-) Personally, I'd be very suprised if Mr. Chang Ung's election isn't upheld. All the Grand Masters support him, except for Grand Master Seriff, who pulled the USTF out of the ITF completely. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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