Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:42:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #555 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: running (Wallace, John) 2. ITF Spoof Website (Ray Terry) 3. RE: November McDougall Newsletter (Wallace, John) 4. Baked POTATO ( Mac) 5. Potatoes'n'stuff (Khalkee@netscape.net) 6. RE: Michael's "Just Do It" Lifestyle (Stovall, Craig) 7. Kuk Sool Books (Christopher Spiller) 8. Turkeys etc. (J.R. West) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] running Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:46:51 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Michael: Do what works for you. Your regimen would kill me - I'm not built to take that kind of mileage. I like a mile or two of aerobic running followed by interval sprints with fast walking to keep the heart rate up for a bit. We're all built differently, and it can take a while for each individual to find what works best. Running usually bores me to tears - I wish there was a better way. So, running won't by itself make it hard to lose weight; getting hurt, bored, or burnt out might though. No deep insight there. One thing that's apparently true though is that you can get a "belly" from running, even though you're not overweight. Your abdominal wall can stretch over time from the mass of your organs being slung against it. My Dad had this happen to him. 17% bodyfat by calipers (age 50ish at the time), but a definite potbelly. Drove him nuts, until the doctor suggested that might be the cause. He was a 5-mile a day runner at the time. All the diet and nutrition folderol is barely worth paying attention to IMO. Most people have a hard enough time eating sensibly without getting into all the biochemical justifications for one diet or another. The only definitive scientific work I've seen that’s worth changing your diet over is one that concluded "eat less". Enjoy your food in moderation. Bottom line. Individual metabolism, activity levels, medical history, etc make it almost impossible to generalize much beyond that. More anecdotes about my Dad. In the late '80s you may recall that everyone was fixated on the fact that carbohydrates and proteins have 4 Kcal per gram, while fats have 9 - therefore you could eat a larger quantity of high carbo food than high fat and still limit your calorie intake. We were all following that recommendation, and my Dad liked to contrast it with his father's (a dentist) abhorrence for carbohydrates. My grandfather would speak the word as though it were inherently distasteful. Funny how the "common wisdom" comes full circle over time. The diet gurus only have 3 classes of biomolecules to work with: proteins, carbohydrates and lipids. At any given point in time, it appears that one of these will be out of favour with nutritionists. Eat less. That's this scientist's recommendation. Oh, and exercise. -JW I Dan, TKD (B.S. Cell/Molecular Biology) Fremont CA -----Original Message----- From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:46 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] running Now let me get this straight, IF I run too much it will actually be counter productive to losing weight?? I guess I missed that article in the National Enquirer. ... What do you guys think,, am I gonna die soon doing all of this or should I just read another book ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Full details of Master Choi's and other official ITF contact details are available by selecting the 'Contact Info' link from our main menu. Member are further cautioned that if this site is controlled by, as may be justifiably suspected, any communist or other government regime, specifically one with an horrific record in respect of abuses of human rights, that their IP (Network) Computer Addresses and other connection data may be being collected for spurious purposes by the controllers of the spoof site. We confirm that the legal department of the ITF is currently considering any action that may be brought against the site publishers, owners & registrars. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] November McDougall Newsletter Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:13:16 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think it would be interesting if the various studies' authors monitored indicators of physiological stress such as basal heart rate, corticosteroid levels, hair loss, tremor, length of sleep and so forth in their analysis. Regardless of the lbs-lost outcome, if you could show a decrease in quality of life I think you could make persuasive arguments one way or another about such diets. -----Original Message----- From: Brooke Thomas [mailto:intv1@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:14 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] November McDougall Newsletter Atkins Diet Is As Good as Chemotherapy for Weight Loss ..... How did Westman get the results all your friends are talking about? The Atkins diet works by making people so sick that they eat less of all foods. The primary mechanism for this approach is to produce a condition called ketosis. ..... Ketosis is a condition that occurs naturally when people become seriously ill. It is an adaptive mechanism that allows the body to recuperate ..... classic example is cancer chemotherapy. Typically people on these toxic medications become ill, lose their appetite, eat much less food, lose weight and lower their cholesterol, blood sugars, and triglycerides. (Funny hyperbole and ad-hominem arguments snipped) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:45:26 -0600 From: " Mac" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Baked POTATO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: tg dewey <> Not according to the former Vice President of the US, Dan Quayle ;- ) Mac TangSoo! (and have a nice Thanksgiving for those in the US) ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:56:43 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Potatoes'n'stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I'd love a baked potatoe, but when I eat them > I feel like crap afterwards,, > it feels like I blow up like a pufferfish How quickly you put that potato down may make a difference. More correctly said, how slowly you put that potato down may make a difference. I don't remember the exact source of this saying but I think it was a Zen teacher who said: "Chew your liquids and drink your solids." What this means for the potato is that we will begin the breakdown of its starches by chewing thoroughly to cause more saliva to flow and allow its enzymes which digest starches to mix with the liquid potato. The stomach does not secrete anything for starch digestion, so all that starches can do in there is ferment, especially if we're trying to digest that big steak at the same time. That steak's got to sit there for awhile, so the starch gets more fermentation time. Sound familiar? It's real. On Asian Nutrition. Belief and feelings can make a difference in how we digest a meal, but belief and feelings cannot change physiology. if something's going to clog your arteries it will no matter how you feel about it. Maybe we can go esoteric ... naw, I don't think that is good advice ;-) You oversimplify Asian nutrition which has an important place in Oriental Medicine. It's a stretch of physio-chemical facts to suggest that the body will process things differently as a function of human attitudes. Physics and chemistry ... remember Scotty & the Enterprise! The diet pill industry is so big because the West is full of people who don't know what natural living is about. We tend to live out-of-synch and out-of-balance with the natural order of things. As a result many aspects of mind/body can become deranged. Digesting fat well or not, once it gets into the bloodstream (beyond digestion) it has predictable pathwasy which no belief will change. Otherwise a lot of contented rich people would not have to have bypass surgeries, stents, etc. Hey muchacho, I live in the West and nutrition has never been an emotional need ... mom always told me "If you don't eat you can't fight." Some nutritional needs/requirements are universal, common to organisms which share the same underlying physiological chemistry, e.g., across species. If these requirements are not provided, the organism tries to make do with what its ancestors have learned through generations of experience in varying conditions and environments. So, the "perfect diet" can vary with situation ... and types, durations, and intensities of activity. We can all believe what we want, but when we get past the "belief" stage we can more clearly and objectively evaluate and/or use info. 'mm ... having a -big- bowl of something (which suggests a -lot- of something) correlates with feeling that a -little- of that something will do us good? __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:01:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Michael's "Just Do It" Lifestyle Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Tomlinson wrote, <<>> Ha haaaaaa...I love that. Pure poetry! You also wrote, <<>> I was just wondering what you're getting out of the ginseng. I recently started taking Centrum Performance on a daily basis, and it apparently has extract from both ginseng and gingko. Of course, I have no frigging idea what ginseng and gingko are supposed to do for me other than the fact that it must be doing me some good if the folks at Centrum are taking the time to put into their pretty little pill. You got some insight as to the benefits of this stuff (Randall, please weigh in too)? The fact that you mentioned Yohimbe also caught my eye. As I stated on an earlier post, my 3-month old keeps me up for a while on most nights, and evidently most channels fill their overnight time with infomercials. Among my favorites are the shows that are pushing the so-called "male enhancement formulas". Well, evidently the bark of the Yohimbe tree is the main active ingredient in these formulas...at least that's what Ron Jeremy said on the commercial? So, what's the scoop on Yohimbe? What's the potential benefits of taking that stuff (besides the aforementioned...LOL)? Craig "My Wife Keeps Putting Yohimbe in My Food" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Books Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am wondering what the differences are between the > red KSW book published by GM In Sun Seo and the > black book written by In Hyuk Suh. > > I bought the red textbook version from a local > bookstore and someone told me there was a slight > difference between the two. I can't help you with your question, as I have only seen the first volume of the black books. But I have a question of my own: Where did you pick up GM Seo's red covered book? I was under the impression that it's no longer in print. As far as differences are concerned I seem to remember reading an interview with Dr. He-Young Kimm in TKD Times some time ago. If memory serves he stated something to the effect that when he started studying with GM Suh, In Hyuk he noticed some differences in the Kuk Sool curriculum. Maybe some one on the list who trains in the WKSA can be more helpful. Chris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:08:59 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Turkeys etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Thanksgiving to all on the list that it applies to, and may the spirit of the day fall on those that don't celebrate Thanksgiving. As far as gobbling the gobbler is concerned, Wayne Watkins provided me with a deep-fat fried turkey, injected with Cajun spices, on Saturday, and I have since turned it into a skeleton single handedly. On a side note regarding Louisiana's dietary habits, my dad and I traveled through Bayou country some 40 years ago, and his comment after sampling some of the local cuisine was, "I bet if the aliens land here, the Cajuns will make gumbo out of them"...J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest