Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:43:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #556 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Running the fat off (Dave Weller) 2. Training (Khalkee@netscape.net) 3. Re: Potato, Potatoe (Stanley Wojcoski) 4. Happy Thanksgiving! (Stan Lim) 5. Thanksgiving (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Happy Thanksgiving (MagicNum2@aol.com) 7. Okinawa+ (Khalkee@netscape.net) 8. Yohimbe for Craig (michael tomlinson) 9. Yohimbe (Khalkee@netscape.net) 10. vitamins (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:08:40 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dave Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] Running the fat off Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson has written some very interesting things about the high-fat diet. I think the point that Mr. Sexton was trying to make about the running (and forgive me, randall, if I am wrong....) is that your weight loss MAY be due to all the physical activity you engage in... Running, weights, and (best of all) Hapkido. The Atkins diet may not be the major factor in your weight loss. But, you enjoy it and I think that is the key to it all. I eat like a horse with no regard (or little) for fat, carbs or any any of that other stuff. I love bread, beans, rice and other stuff the Atkinites say are a sure path to obesity. I love salmon, tuna, sardines and about any other seafood you can name. I eat lots of chicken, a fair amount of red meat. I adore Ice Cream, and must have an occasional candy bar(s)... I have weighed 165-170 for the past 6 years. 5'10". I ENJOY food. I ENJOY exercise. I ENJOY a cold brewski now and again. Mr. Sexton was right, how you perceive your food (diet) is most important. I doubt you can truly lose weight and maintain that loss on a diet you HATE. It might work in the short term, but in the long term you'll go back to what feels good. And Mr. Tomlinson has obviously found that with the Meat and no Tater;s regime. Hey, what ever works !!! Just like in Martial Arts! -- dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:30:02 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting comments on training. 12 mile run, hey, that's cool in my book. My running regimen used to be 6 miles 6 days a week, then bike/run 14 miles on Sundays, martial training 2 hrs everyday. During chiro and grad school that had to change. During chiro school it was 6 miles a day, bike/run 14 miles every Sunday, martial training 2hrs/day, 6 days a week :-) In grad school it changed a little more ... run 2 miles 5-6 days/week, martial training 1 to 3 hours everyday (sometimes just bag work), bike at least 20 miles/day, 40 miles EVERY Sunday. Later grad school it became infrequent running, martial stuff 6 days a week, 2 to 8 hours/day ... yep, did some 8 hour ones perdiodically ... could hardly walk to the car those days!!! Little running, infrequent biking (damned mountains all over the place). Now I'm an old man (heh-heh) training martial stuff 3-4 days/week, 3-4 hours each day with resistance training (not usually weights) interspersed. Include 'yoga' throughout all of this, up to two hours/day 2-3 times/week. I don't eat solid meals on heavy training days, just use a pre- and post-workout athletic drink with my secret blend of herbs and vitamins and chug fruit juice for the duration (3+ hours of no-break slam-n-jam). Moderate 'mindful' weightlifting once/week. By mindful I mean slow or fast contraction, isometric contraction, slow return. I've watched bodybuilders crumple trying to do this with heavy loads. I've always followed resistance training (weights/machines or body weight) with high repetition skills-training. I usually begin high-repetition skills-training with resistance (heh-heh). After 30 years I still exclude other animals (and animal "products") from my food supply and am stronger with greater endurance than my 28 year old all-sports MVP son. When he trained with me recently he dropped disgusted saying "... and I thought that I was in the best shape of my life!" ;-) Main food since 1971 = rice. The first swami-guy from the Himalayas that I studied with once asked us: "What is the most important food?" Nobody answered, I said "Bread!" He replied "Close ... grains!" Yohimbe: Be careful as with Ephedra ... known to cause disruption of normal heart rhythm. You may be OK if its effect maxes in the middle of your workouts. If you ever feel a PVC (heart "skips a beat"), at least back off your dose. We know it has other, perhaps desirable, effects other than ergogenic, but if it's frickin' around with the heart, it ain't worth it. It's easy to mess sumthin' up, may not be as easy to correct it if/when correction becomes necessary. Yohimbe and Ephedra can do a job on electrolyte balances (if any of youse is experiencing cramping in hands or feet after working out with ephedra, it's the offender) and that's not a goodie for the ticker brother. If it can cause cramping imbalnaces in the muscles of the extremities ... well, the heart is a muscle, 'ey? Unles you're using it for those other benefits alluded to, yohimbe should be taken before working out. Like ephedra, it's also not a good idea for those prone to high blood pressure. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stanley Wojcoski" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:12:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Potato, Potatoe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is that you, Mr. Quayle? :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:47:58 -0800 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Stan Lim Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy Thanksgiving! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net De-lurking because I am back in San Jose, California for Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Happy training, Stan Lim California & Singapore --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:27:24 -0500 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Thanksgiving Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wish all our friends in the US a very happy and healthy Thanksgiving Holiday. If you are driving, please drive safe. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association --__--__-- Message: 6 From: MagicNum2@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:56:54 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy Thanksgiving Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Thanksgiving to all the Dojang readers out there! I'm going to try not to pig at the dinner table because I like to keep my girlish figure so I can kick some butt in class on Monday! :) Hyun Lew going-to-be purple belt tkd !!! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:37:30 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Okinawa+ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just listened to a report by the author of The Okinawa Plan.  Synopsis:  the Okinawan diet is mainly plant-based with "plenty of carbohydrates" (direct quote).  Rice and noodles baby.  Also mentioned mental attitudes (sense of purpose in life) and the practice of exercises similar to the solo froms of Tai Chi Chuan (i.e., not hapkido as one of our colleagues stated :-) Also mentioned:  status as longest-lived will soon be challenged by increases in MacaDonaldo-style living with oversized burgers, etc. and import of suh-tuh-ress-o (stress) from Japan. >One thing that's >apparently true though is that you can get a "belly" from running, even >though you're not overweight.  Your abdominal wall can stretch over time >from the mass of your organs being slung against it.   This reminds me of how I've always encouraged people to run, not "jog".  Altho we still experience some vertical stress in fast running, more forward propulsion reduces the amount of vertical bounce that everything we carry makes with each step.  No cure-all but it may make a difference. >All the diet and nutrition folderol is barely worth paying attention to IMO. Hey muchacho, once we've got nutrition in order we can forget about it.  problem is that humanity tends to forget what "natural" means (or somebody keeps redefining it into some un-natural folderol :-) >the biochemical justifications for one diet or another.   Biochemical/structural/physiological -explanations- very necessary for the thinker to "get it".  People operate on belief too much.  Then their choices become political instead of reasonable/sensible, yah? Bottom line is give the body what it requires, and eliminate whatever does it injury (like too much food). >The diet gurus only have 3 classes of biomolecules to work with: proteins, >carbohydrates and lipids. There are 3 classes of substances that the body requires to conduct its normal physiology: proteins, fats and carbohydrates :-)  Forget diets and gurus, we just need sensible balances of these 3 basic classes of 'stuff'. > At any given point in time, it appears that one >of these will be out of favour with nutritionists. ... and that's the kind of leadership that we don't need.  The physiological chemistry is not going to change ... we can learn to manipulate it though, e.g. to optimize physical and mental performance, emotional state, etc. >Eat less.  That's this scientist's recommendation. Amen brother. >Oh, and exercise. Double "Amen". >What do you guys think,, am I gonna die soon doing all of this I hope not amigo ... but it might be worthwhile to consider long-term effects, especially the yohimbe and anything like it.  Even casual use of ginseng is a bu-hao-yi-si (bad idea).  The effects on both short-term low-level physiology as well as long term endocrine function ... unknowns. >just read another book Watch out for the PVCs after yohimbe use.  If you get'em, dump that stuff.  Unknowns ... future might not be in a book ... nor in the tea leaves or cards (in other words, may be unpredictable).  I had a woman come in to a seminar once jacked up on ephedra so that she could get a "real good workout".  I told her "Well, this is about learning ... you can workout anytime and you'd better drop the ephedra."  She had to leave when her head started pounding and her heart started acting weird.  No one but this joy-killer had ever suggested that she might be hurting herself with her self-prescribed ergogenic aids.  She coulda died and that would have been the proverbial that.  All because of her lack of awareness and blind (uninformed) beliefs. >I think it would be interesting if the various studies' authors monitored >indicators of physiological stress such as basal heart rate, corticosteroid >levels, hair loss, tremor, length of sleep and so forth in their analysis. >Regardless of the lbs-lost outcome, if you could show a decrease in quality >of life I think you could make persuasive arguments one way or another about >such diets. You are da man. >should >I just read another book and ponder the metabolic and physiological >ramifications of the centrifical futility of all of the mental masturbation >associated with the plethora of literary experts who have never ran further If I were you I wouldn't listen to what any literary expert had to say about physiology and/or metabolism ... what da heck does literary skill have to do with physiology???:-) >than the proverbial ice cream truck or had to pace themselves heading for >the metaphoric elevator door closing on their lives as it heads up to the >5th floor where all the health and fitness books are in the library, I don't >know maybe I'll just drop back and punt?>>> ... ach, I forgot to include that for 5 years straight I trained hard style Northern Shao Lin 6 hours a day!!!  Dang!!!  All that rice must be clouding my memory ;-) >right after I lift >weights I take a good dose of Yohimbe bark and >ginseng, I buy both of those herbs fresh and grind them myself, that will >really rev you up!!!>>> Ginseng should be used SEASONALLY, otherwise you can set yourself up for hypertension amongst other things.  Check it out with any Doctor of Oriental Medicine.  If you ever start having nosebleeds you got the picture.  These things are meant to be used to give physiological nudges, not pound physiology with a hammer.  Ginseng is not meant to be used everyday, just as steroids and hormonal releasers/secretagogues are not meant to be used everyday and/or continuously.  Hormonal adjustments are designed to be long term adjustments, e.g., in periods of hours to periods of months. >I have no frigging idea >what ginseng and gingko are supposed to do for me other than the fact that >it must be doing me some good if the folks at Centrum are taking the time to >put into their pretty little pill. It's called $$$.  Test is to find out what the pharmacological dosage is and compare it with the dosage conatined in the multivit.  Sometimes the dose in the multivit is just enuf for a company to say that it's in there because they know that the stuff has the imagination of the buying public. >Yohimbe also caught my eye.   >so-called "male enhancement formulas".  Well, evidently >the bark of the Yohimbe tree is the main active ingredient in these >formulas...at least that's what Ron Jeremy said on the commercial?  So, >what's the scoop on Yohimbe? Ergogenic aid as well, but watch out for your heart. >Craig "My Wife Keeps Putting Yohimbe in My Food" Stovall Is your wife tryin' ta give you a heart attack bro'?:-) >"I bet if the aliens land here, the Cajuns will make gumbo out of them" Curious:  Isn't "Gumbo" from Africa? __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:47:29 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Yohimbe for Craig Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Now remember, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer so take what I say with a grain of J.R.'s cajun spice,, Yohimbe comes from a tree in west africa and has been used for many centuries to boost the "performance stamina" of newly wed males on their honeymoon nights,, anyway I read this article in an herb book once about it many years ago, I guess you have to take massive amounts for that to happen,, let me vehemently state,,, I DON'T USE IT FOR THAT!! What it does for weightlifters and strength athletes is boost their testoterone levels "naturally" as opposed to steroids, now it is nothing like steroids at all,, when it is taken at moderate to low doses after you work out it will boost testosterone and supposely help stimulate your natural human growth hormone,, It is sold in a myriad of concoctions at health food stores etc.. and is exspensive,, I am lucky because their is a local health food store up the road from me that gets it in in bulk and actually sells the chunks of inner bark!! And it is very cheap like this, I have to grind it in an old mortar and sometimes use a blender just to get it down to the level of being able to wrap it in a single ply tissue and swallow it down my throat with a big drink of water,, it is VERY fiberous.. and it works,, I have been eating ginseng since around 1970 to 72,, my relatives in Kentucky actually gather american ginseng in the national forests in their spare time and sell it to pharmaceutical companies,, they have been doing this as long as I have been alive and they would take me with them when I was a youngin, so when I heard about ginseng years ago from martial arts teachers I was already familiar with it,, I can't tell you what books or science says but I can tell you straight out that I take it every day and it DOES make a difference.. it enhances your level of concentration and I take it before every run and almost every weight workout,, it helps me get into that zone where you can concentrate better and lose track of time, when I was in college majoring in drawing we would draw everyday in studio class for 4 hours with no sound and no disrtactions, I took ginseng everyday before drawing class to help me become one with the objects or people I was drawing and it helped me zone then too, be careful and don't take a ton of it in one day, I have and it gives me a headache everytime, I take two to 4 gelatin capsules a day, no more than that,, now there might be some rebuttal's on this but I don't care, I KNOW this from personal experience over two and a half decades.. I am NEVER without it,, be careful though because it definately boosts your sex drive and without getting to graphic,,, you can tell the difference in one of your sexual bodily functions when you take it regularly, your secretions change and become very thick!! Alright I won't say anymore about that! Regardless, the Asian cultures have been taking ginseng for over 3 thousand years so there must be something there huh,, Anyway when you take ginseng and yohimbe together regularly it just plain makes you a healthier man IMHO,, Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:53:29 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Yohimbe Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yohimbe is used in treatment of heart disease and impotence ... it causes dilation of the coronary (and other :-) arteries. Associated problems are too real. Words for the wise here . . . Yohimbe Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings Yohimbe can be toxic and should be avoided. The effective dose is very close to the toxic dose. Self-medication is strongly discouraged because of its side effects. Yohimbine from yohimbe bark can produce significant side effects even in moderate to small amounts, ESPECIALLY IF TAKEN OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. May induce excessive adrenal or sympathetic nerve stimulation, anxiety, panic attacks, high blood pressure, increased heart rate, irritability, headache, nausea, skin flushing, sweating, dizziness, frequent urination, water retention, rise in body temperature, and hyperactivity, weakness, paralysis, gastrointestinal problems, hallucinations, psychosis and even death. People who have inflammation in their sexual organs should not use Yohimbe. Yohimbe should not be used by people who are taking drugs - especially tranquilizers, anti-depressants, sedatives, caffeine, amphetamines, antihistamines or narcotics - or significant amounts of alcohol. Anyone with a heart condition, kidney disease, diabetes, glaucoma, abnormal blood pressure, irregular blood sugar, psychological disorders, or history of gastric or duodenal ulcers should avoid this herb. Advise your health care practitioner before taking any yohimbe-containing product if you are taking cardiac or psychiatric medication Yohimbe is also a short term MAO (monoamine oxidase) inhibitor and should be used with caution, especially if you have high blood pressure. Being an MAO inhibitor, yohimbe should not be taken with any food or drink that contain high amounts of tyramine (all wines, beer and ale; cheese, products made with large amount of yeast, salami, sausage, bologna, pepperoni, pickled herring, meat extracts, chicken liver, salted dried fish, avocado, tomato, green bean pods, eggplant, Italian broad beans, banana, red plums, oranges, figs, raisins, soy sauce, bouillon cubes, soya, stored beef) and particularly not with the amino acids tyrosine or phenylalanine. A rise in blood pressure can result from the body not being able to remove the tyramines from these foods. Re: impotence, it's generally of no value when impotence stems from organic nerve troubles. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:54:45 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] vitamins Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I also take the centrum plus multivitamin,, it is good, I also take vitamin e, vitamin c, potassium, b-complex, and calcium everday Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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