Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #566 - 8 msgs Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:01:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #566 - 8 msgs Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Forms (Gerard De Valence) 2. wrist and hand strength (michael tomlinson) 3. Looking for a fix (Chris LaCava) 4. Re: RE>spin off? (Braeswood Martial Arts) 5. More Grip and Forearm Stuff (Stovall, Craig) 6. Chops (Charles Richards) 7. RE: TSD Trim (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. PMA and Dr. Benson (Khalkee@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:59:59 +1100 From: Gerard De Valence To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does anyone know where to find outlines of the steps to the Taeguk > forms(WTF)? I want to practice before I go back for my next belt test. I like the Shamelessly Unofficial TKD Hyung Resource Page at http://ryanshroyer.tripod.com The layout and moves are very clear, and there are many forms listed - ITF, WTF and a few others. Gerard [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of gdvalence.vcf] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:16:10 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] wrist and hand strength Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For under 9.99,, ok my favorite device that I have is this,, take a one liter plastic drink bottle, a two liter plastic drink bottle, and a small 12 to 16 oz. plastic drink bottle, take the outside wrappers of,, I used mountain dew plastic bottles,,, fill each one up with sand but leave about an inch empty at the top of the neck,, duct tape the caps securly back on the bottles so the sand never comes out,, now use these to grip and squeeze in every concievable fashion,,, if you are savvy you will notice that the two liter bottle is about the size and consistency of someones neck and flesh,, the one liter equates to someones upper arm or forearm and the small bottle equates to someones wrist,,,, these are the closest things I think you can find to simulate actually grabbing someones body, the sand and plastic are flexible but have a hard core,, just like real bodies!!! When you get tired of using sand, switch to cheap aqaurium gravel and fill newer bottles up with gravel,, same consistency, just a little harder to squeeze,,, cheap and effective,,, I use them while I watch tv at home, they come in real handy while I watch Florida State get beat this year!! Very good stress control, Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:40:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Looking for a fix Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi there. My girlfriend and I spent Thanksgiving at her parent's house in Delaware and it got me thinking. Being the "martial art-aholic" I am, does anyone on the list have a Dojang in the Newark/Willmington area that will accept visitors from out of state? I get "withdrawals" if I stay away too long. ;) Thanks & take care. Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE>spin off? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:02:47 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Larger or pre-existing? Didn't think larger sounded accurate, so I had > to look. FWIW... "anything derived from something already in existence > without detriment to it". > > Ray Terry > Then I guess we can say ALL martial arts "Styles" are spin off's... --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:34:05 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] More Grip and Forearm Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Ah, yes. That's an oldie but goodie. Along those same lines, you can use a newspaper for similar effect once you get tired of grabbing the air. Take a newspaper and lay it flat down on a table top. Then place your hand palm down on one corner of the paper and use you fingers to start pulling the paper until it's wadded up in your hand. Throw it away and do the next page. Sounds simple but you'll be surprised at the burn a good sized paper will give you. You can also use a similar concept to strengthen and condition the feet. Sit down on a chair or whatever with a towel laying flat on the floor with your feet at one end of the towel. Now use your toes to start pulling the towel until you can get it bunched up underneath your feet. This is a good one to do after a shower since a damp towel is a little easier to get a good grip on. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chops Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> What all could/Should be included? I will be using it primarily for test certificates, (and white belts foreheads when they are bad.) I figured my name, rank, style, and school name, but that would probably be a large stamp. who knows...any suggestions? Yours in the Martial Arts, <> Dear Charlie, You crack me up. Currently I hand write Richards Dang Soo Do Sa Bum on all my gup certificattes in Korean in red pen and oversign CRichards in blue pen. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:23:31 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: TSD Trim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Richards, I don't know when the practice of trimmed tops started, but it was already a long established tradition by 1973 when I first began training. KJN Shin Jae Chul attributes the reason to an old murial painting, can't remember from where right now, but it is the one seen in a lot of books, that shows a mounted Korean warrior/hunter with a drawn bow in a hunting scene. The top the warrior/hunter is wearing is white/light colored with black lapel and bottom trim. The top appears nearly identical to our current do bahk tops. I have found that KJN Shin follows KJN Hwang Ki in most of the traditions, but I don't know anything about what KJN Hwang attributed this practice to. I have also heard the reason you state from those using midnight blue, but we still use black. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:28:00 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] PMA and Dr. Benson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, DISstress can contribute to many types of pathology, but it is not the "single most cause of most diseases/poor health." Similarly, feelings and thoughts (beliefs and feelings) can impact health in any direction. That said, it is unwise to fall for the stress "hype" ... which is partly a function of medical and pseudo-medical marketing. Consider: There are robust, healthy people who come to our USA from war-torn, violence-ridden, poverty-stricken places who consider life in America a cakewalk. They consider Americans in general to be wusses (I could give you a direct quote and the name of a Korean Grandmaster who confided this to me over lunch one day ... but I won't ;-) Some immigrants from places as described were robust, healthy people in the places they came from, and continue to be unless/until they dive into the American fast-food/superficial lifestyle. The mechanics of chemistry and biological reality will supersede any soft-think stressed out nonsense that some New-Agey might try to tell you is the ultimate truth. I recall that same Kwan Jang Nim telling me that my chi would protect me from catching cold one day when I was helping him to sandbag his school against flooding water (we were standing in the rain, ankle-deep in water). OK ... so he goes to Korea and comes back with a honking cold which made me have to teach classes for a longer stint. So much for belief. Debunk. My area of specialty in Behavioral Medicine was stress-related disorders. My favorite study was stress, emotion, and motivation ans health consequences. Nothing special, this is just to say that I know the territory in a deep way ... the rigorously-examined way (i.e., "cut-the-bulls__t-do"). Yes there are psychophysiological dynamics which reflect psychodynamics, but one can believe all that he wants, for example, that his/her chi will protect against opportunistic pathogens which find their way past their body's defenses at the right time ... and at no time will just believing that this ain't so change it. This is called objective physical reality. Our habitual thoughts, thought tendencies, moods can make a difference. When our "beliefs" make a persisting difference in those habitual thoughts, thought tendencies, moods, etc., then our beliefs can impact our health. For example, some aspects of brain chemistry are easily modified by changes in mood/emotion. The behavior of circulating immune cells is 'modulated' by exposure to the changes in chemistry at the brain level of the hypothalamus. This is ONE determinant of how effective they will be in combating infection when they travel to other parts of the body. In depression these cells can be 'down-regulated' when they pass thru the area of the hypothalamus and become less effective 'fighters'. This is just one part of the puzzle. No matter what the subject may believe, said belief will not make a difference when they are faced with challenges that impact sytems not effected by their 'belief'. A healthy rich person may believe that they've got the world by the tail and nothing can bring them down ... then all that rich dining takes them out in the middle of the night while they sleep. I hear of physicians dying in their 40s with cardiovascular problems which they never believed would affect them ... one in particular comes to mind ... rich SOB (I say that with a friendly smile) makes a few hundred thous per year ... almost died due to atherosclerosis and heart attack ... but he's otherwise an "I'm on top of the world" kind of person who essentially has it all, minus the types of stresses that some older street people might face EVERY DAY ... and may live longer. There is stress, eustress and distress. Eustress is comprised of the challenges which we face and are capable of coping with, sometimes going beyond what we believe we are capable of doing. This reflects "robustness". Distress is comprised of those challenges we face which exceed our capacity to cope or for which we have no coping strategy. No strategy leads to panic, and panic screws up everything ... leading to increased likelihood of failure. Someone may think/feel/believe that they can handle something only to find that that something exceeds their capacity, regardless of what they think/feel/believe. Everything that I teach, I teach as "The Mechanics Of ..." In other words, identify and aplly reliable mechnisms involved in managing what we require, apply those mechanics to determine and familiarize their predictable/reliable outcomes until we reach their logical conclusion. This yields certainty, not belief. This also promotes greater reliability under stress. It's a conditioning thang, not a belief thang brother. Got two fighters, one believes/feels that s/he's up to the task of dealing with the other. The other fighter is certain that s/he is up to the task becuase they've prepared themselves so, they've examined the requirements, identified suitable methods to reliably handle those requirements, they have applied those methods persistently and consistently to make them effective and reliable, and they're ready to apply them to their logical conclusion. Which one is going to win? The "True Believer" or the "Master of Self"? If I had any money I know which way I'd bet. All of this to say that we do not help each other by encouraging this non-thinking belief in the effects of simply believing. Call it my humble opinion, but it is an educated opinion. I've studied the mind/body science of both East and West and have been applying my blend for more than 30 years now. I would be remisss as an "instructor" to suggest to someone that believing and thinking are the most critical elements in determining their health outcomes. It's just not true. There are many people who meet unnecessary troubles because of this type of thinking. An extreme example that comes to mind is a woman who believed that her energy-healer friends could help her with ovarian cancer. After many transfusions because she refused a straightforward surgery, she died. All of the "belief" talkers went on their merry ways ... they'd collected their fees and accomplished squat. They should have all told her "Get the surgery." For some, mental methods might help with their cancer or other health problems. For many, perhaps most this just ain't true. OTOH, as I relayed before, thought/mood/emotion can make a difference and reliably so in SOME cases. For example, examination of populations of cancer survivors has identified one factor that is apparently key to longevity after diagnosis and treatment of cancer: Those who did things which promoted good feelings about self lived longest. In the arena of research on mind/body issues in health, it is this type of targeted, focussed examination of facts that serves us best, not some loose, undisciplined assertions that it's all in our heads. It ain't. Now, for a good parallel, examine athletic performance. What is the "psychology" of winning? There are parallels btwn the dynamics of promoting "health success" and athletic success. It should be obvious that belief and thinking are -not- the major determinant of athletic achievment, yes? OTOH, there are specific, reliable mental/emotional /belief-related dynamics that we can manipulate in specific ways that will make a marked difference in our athletic outcomes ... but they are all related to mechanical/physical/behavioral "stuff." On that note I'm gonna shut up for awhile ;-) BTW, Benson's work (Behavioral Medicine :-) did not "legitimize" meditation. There was plenty of literature around on the benefits of various "meditation" techniques and their potential health consequences before Benson chose the TM guys to examine. Meditation has been "legit" and prescribed for thousands of years. I don't have a reference forya, but I remember that benson may have been dissatisfied with the outcomes of his early research. He later dropped the TM guys and began more serious examination of Chi Kung/Qi Gong/Ki Gong practitioners. How about that? Seated meditation has its plusses, but it's not best for everyone, nor is it best under -all- circumstances for anyone. Speaking a little more re: stress and tension, it is most helpful to notice that there are some who face the same levels and incidence of acute and/or chronic DISstresses as others but do not get ill. This may be more a function of lifestyle practices than thinking, acknowledging that differences in personality and thinking may play some role ... just not necessarily THE most significant role in determing the difference in outcomes. We are what we repeatedly DO ... otherwise hypocrites would be saints. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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