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Today's Topics:

   1. 3, 9 & Hyungs (Charles Richards)
   2. taekwondo times (Hapkido Self Defense Center)
   3. RE: Will the real ITF stand up (S. H. WEE)
   4. RE: seal stone (S. H. WEE)
   5. Re: taekwondo times (Ray Terry)
   6. Re: Master Wollmershauser's passing (Ray Terry)
   7. Re: Basics (Beungood@aol.com)
   8. Re: Master Wollmershauser's passing (FRANK CLAY)
   9. Master Wollmershauser (michael tomlinson)
  10. Re: Re: Basics (Ray Terry)
  11. Re: taekwondo times (Braeswood Martial Arts)
  12. Re: taekwondo times (Ray Terry)
  13. Re: taekwondo times (bmac2)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:03:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Richards <mojakwan@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] 3, 9 & Hyungs
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<snip>>
Since there is this obsession with the number 9, and as Ray has pointed

out, the connection with the number 3...Why are forms (poomse) put 
together 
in groups of 8 (i.e. - taeguk and palgwe forms)?

<<end snip>>

Naihafanji Hyungs and Ki Cho Hyungs are in sets of three.....

ITF forms consist of 24 which is a multiple of 3.

Not sure why WTF came up with 8, other than maybe one per belt level?

Regards,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TangSooDo

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Message: 2
From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" <hkd@fuse.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:42:56 -0800
Subject: [The_Dojang] taekwondo times
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<Am anxious to see this latest issue.  But given I am a subscriber I seem
to be one of the last to see it...>>

Ray, I got mine about 2 weeks ago in the mail. Mmmm....
Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com

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Message: 3
From: "S. H. WEE" <shinhoe@pc.jaring.my>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:54:03 +0800
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Will the real ITF stand up
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Regardless of who is the REAL ITF now, judging from North Korea's
international reputation, the Chang Ung & friends definitely not the honest
one and I am 100% sure that THIS particular ITF will definitely be a
government manipulated tool. I for one, is not interested to become a pawn
for the North Korea.

Sincerely,

S. H. Wee

> I am wondering where is the REAL ITF located and who is in charge?  I
> have been reading about this one and that one who claim the same
> things.  Someone has to be lying.
>
> Todd Miller

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Message: 4
From: "S. H. WEE" <shinhoe@pc.jaring.my>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:54:09 +0800
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: seal stone
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Well Charles, traditionaly you only carve your name and/or your school's
name on the stone, and nothing else. Take a look at the certificates issued
by the Korean masters. Most of them only have their names carved on the seal
stones.

Regards,

S. H. WEE

> Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: seal stone
> Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
>
> "I will be using it primarily for test certificates, (and white belts
> foreheads when they are bad.)?I figured my name, rank, style, and
> school name, but that would probably be a large stamp.?who knows...any
> suggestions?
>
> Yours in the Martial Arts,
>
> Charlie Veuleman"

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Message: 5
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] taekwondo times
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:51:48 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> <<Am anxious to see this latest issue.  But given I am a subscriber I seem
> to be one of the last to see it...>>
> 
> Ray, I got mine about 2 weeks ago in the mail. Mmmm....

Yet more problems with the Pony Express, I suspect.

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com

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Message: 6
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Wollmershauser's passing
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:53:12 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> My condolences to the family and students of Master Mike Wollmershauser
> as he passed away yesterday.  Master Mike had been battling cancer for
> the last few years.

Very sad to hear.  About how old was he? 

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com

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Message: 7
From: Beungood@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:41:54 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Basics
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

In a message dated 12/9/02 4:09:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:

> However, he might do a nice form, but he is doing it early seventies ITF 
> style.
> The ITF basics have changed A LOT since then.
> 
> 

How can the baiscs change on the forms?

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Message: 8
From: "FRANK CLAY" <frankclay@msn.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:55:19 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Wollmershauser's passing
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Master Miller,

Thank you for this information.

While I never had the honor of training with this man, I also never heard 
but good things about him.

I sincerely wish to express my condolences to both the Family and extended 
Family (Hapkidoin)of Master Wollmershauser. He will be missed.

Sincerely,
Master Frank Clay
Haemukwan Hapkido
Korea Hapkido Federation
www.koreahapkidofederation.com


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Message: 9
From: "michael tomlinson" <tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:23:43 +0000
Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Wollmershauser
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Sorry to hear about Mike W. I only had the opportunity to train with him 
once on the mat in Tampa Florida years ago but we had a great day  full of 
Hapkido and a few beers and food later that night, he was fun to be around 
that day, and I came away knowing more about Hapkido than before I met him, 
My deepest condolences to his family during his passing.
                        Michael Tomlinson

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Message: 10
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Basics
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:51:14 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> > However, he might do a nice form, but he is doing it early seventies ITF 
> > style.
> > The ITF basics have changed A LOT since then.
> 
> How can the baiscs change on the forms?

It probably relates to the sine-wave approach to basic motion currently
employed by the ITF.   ???

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com

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Message: 11
From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" <BMAC2@ev1.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] taekwondo times
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:49:45 -0600
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

I got mine last Thursday.
Kat

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Message: 12
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] taekwondo times
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:17:41 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> I got mine last Thursday.
> Kat

Had to run out and buy one, couldn't wait.  Congrats on your pic in the
issue!

Am now headed off to "the Middle East at an undisclosed location".  :(

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com

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Message: 13
Date: Mon,  9 Dec 2002 21:45:58 -0600
From: "bmac2" <bmac2@mail.ev1.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] taekwondo times
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<Congrats on your pics>

Thanks Ray, can't wait to see you next March.

Kat


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