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ITF side peircing kick? (Charles Veuleman) 2. Best Defense (Divetony@aol.com) 3. Re: Best Defense (Jose) 4. RE: ITF side peircing kick? (Wallace, John) 5. TKD Times and GM Ji (Sun Mu Kwan) 6. Re: TKD Times and GM Ji (Ray Terry) 7. Choson Kwon Bup in TKDT (Ray Terry) 8. obit (Travis F.) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF side peircing kick? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hope you don't mean laughing side peircing? Thats just mean. Anyway, I don't know quite what you are talking about, but we probably do the more Japa-Friendly version in our system. From what I have seen, the ITF peoples chamber with the bottom of the foot pointing at the target. We chamber with our kicking foot beside our standing knee, kinda like aiming with our rear (you have eyes in your butt too, don't you?). When explaining it to students, I usually explain to them the 3 ways I have seen the kick chambered (our way, ITF, and the version where the knee of the kicking leg crosses your center line, then you kick). I tell them starting the foot that far back makes it too slow, and makes you more prone to turn your back to opponent, and kicking with your foot aimed at them is just a push, so the middle ground is the best. More power because of distance, and because we chamber 90% of our kicks from this position. From what I have seen, and given our 'roots', I am guessing this is the Japanese side kick you are talking about. IMHO, I must say I really do feel more power coming from the foot to knee chamber, and less from the foot aimed out chamber. I am sure it is just a matter of what you have chambered with for your years of training. In an unrelated question... I am going to be going to europe/middle east for a month next year around MAY, in particular, I am spending about 1 1/2 weeks in Bahrain, a little (very little) country off the coast of saudi arabia. Here is my shot in the dark, does anyone know of any karate schools on that island? what about amsterdam (we fly in and out of there) ? Till then, I'll just be kickin in the sand...wonder if camels kick back... YITMA, Charlie V. ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:14:21 -0500 From: Divetony@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Best Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I took some lumps last night in a full-contact sparring drill. I'm a 42year old Red belt my opponents are 16 and 17, similar rank.. They are tall and nimble, easily throwing jump and spinning kicks, it's their strength, I'm a little shorter than them with a more powerful upper body, so my strength lies in punching. Of course by now they know this so they are a little hesitant to get too close. Yesterday's drill came with the rule of no punching and failure to get kicks to the head would result in push-ups. Without punches allowed I am a big target, obviously slower than my opponents, I'm sure this was part of the reason Master Chung threw in the no punch rule. I understand this is part of the learning journey. My question to the more experienced sparring members here is what is my best defense in this situation? I usually like to get close to them, to tie them up and punch to keep them back. Is block and kick inside the best defense for me to practice?Or is there a better way? This was at the end of a tough class so I realize I was very tired, that didn't help. Also any tips on how to control the tempo of the match? My focus was gone I think due to fatigue, I ended up defending most of the time and not kicking. Thanks for the input, I've asked the instructors but I wanted to get more opinions, especially from those in my age group. I am one of the oldest adults and the highest ranked non-instructor in our school so there aren't a lot of people my age I can discuss this with, the young guys don't understand us old guys. Thanks --__--__-- Message: 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Best Defense From: Jose Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:09:09 -0600 Organization: kiyap.com News Gateway Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Divetony@aol.com wrote: > *I took some lumps last night in a full-contact sparring drill. I'm a > 42year old Red belt my opponents are 16 and 17, similar rank.. They > are tall and nimble, easily throwing jump and spinning kicks, it's > their strength, I'm a little shorter than them with a more powerful > upper body, so my strength lies in punching. Of course by now they > know this so they are a little hesitant to get too close. > > Yesterday's drill came with the rule of no punching and failure to > get kicks to the head would result in push-ups. Without punches > allowed I am a big target, obviously slower than my opponents, I'm > sure this was part of the reason Master Chung threw in the no punch > rule. I understand this is part of the learning journey. > My question to the more experienced sparring members here is what is > my best defense in this situation? I usually like to get close to > them, to tie them up and punch to keep them back. > Is block and kick inside the best defense for me to practice?Or is > there a better way? This was at the end of a tough class so I realize > I was very tired, that didn't help. Also any tips on how to control > the tempo of the match? My focus was gone I think due to fatigue, I > ended up defending most of the time and not kicking. > Thanks for the input, I've asked the instructors but I wanted to get > more opinions, especially from those in my age group. I am one of the > oldest adults and the highest ranked non-instructor in our school so > there aren't a lot of people my age I can discuss this with, the > young guys don't understand us old guys. > Thanks > * It's good that you know your strenghts and weaknesses. I'd suggest you try doing some fakes (especially lead leg kicks) and try to get your opponents to commit to a defensive move. Once they commit, you can slide away and counter with your favorite kick or, if punches are allowed, slide in to tie them up and punch away. -- Jose ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.kiyap.com Online Community for Martial Artists View this thread: http://www.kiyap.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=293 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] ITF side peircing kick? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:04:12 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Charles: I'll leave the particulars of the kicks to an ITF person to respond to - but I think you're correct about the chamber position you described as being the "Japanese" style. I've also heard it called the "Bill Wallace" (no relation) chamber, because he advocates throwing front, round, and side kicks from that chamber to disguise your intention from a sparring opponent. Good luck in Bahrain, I hear it’s a beautiful place. John Wallace I Dan, TKD Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: Charles Veuleman [mailto:sensei@bluewavekarate.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:38 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF side peircing kick? I hope you don't mean laughing side peircing? Thats just mean. Anyway, I don't know quite what you are talking about, but we probably do the more Japa-Friendly version in our system. From what I have seen, the ITF peoples chamber with the bottom of the foot pointing at the target. We chamber with our kicking foot beside our standing knee, kinda like aiming with our rear (you have eyes in your butt too, don't you?). When explaining it to students, I usually explain to them the 3 ways I have seen the kick chambered (our way, ITF, and the version where the knee of the kicking leg crosses your center line, then you kick). I tell them starting the foot that far back makes it too slow, and makes you more prone to turn your back to opponent, and kicking with your foot aimed at them is just a push, so the middle ground is the best. More power because of distance, and because we chamber 90% of our kicks from this position. From what I have seen, and given our 'roots', I am guessing this is the Japanese side kick you are talking about. IMHO, I must say I really do feel more power coming from the foot to knee chamber, and less from the foot aimed out chamber. I am sure it is just a matter of what you have chambered with for your years of training. In an unrelated question... I am going to be going to europe/middle east for a month next year around MAY, in particular, I am spending about 1 1/2 weeks in Bahrain, a little (very little) country off the coast of saudi arabia. Here is my shot in the dark, does anyone know of any karate schools on that island? what about amsterdam (we fly in and out of there) ? Till then, I'll just be kickin in the sand...wonder if camels kick back... YITMA, Charlie V. ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/2002 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Times and GM Ji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I finally got my copy of the TKD Times. Its truly sad I had to purchase it before I got my copy in the mail but it seems to happen quite often. Anyway, just wanted to know what others felt about the article regarding GM Ji and Master Garland? It was interesting to say the least. Great article! Could anyone shed any light on the counter clockwise kicking method he mentioned? I truly interested in hearing more on that topic. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD Times and GM Ji To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:29:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Anyway, just wanted to know what others felt about the article regarding > GM Ji and Master Garland? It was interesting to say the least. Great article! Interesting indeed. As it so happened, I was in Philly on business last January. While in town I had a chance to spend time with Gm Ji. One of the things we did was go to the travel agency to pick up his airline ticket to fly to Nashville to teach a seminar at Mr. Garland's (CG) dojang. I asked Gm Ji whose school he was teaching at there. He said, "Some Hapkido guy". I then asked if it was someone he had worked with before. He indicated that this would be the first time that they would meet, then mentioning that he hoped they could find each other once he arrived at the airport in Nashville. That doesn't seem to jive with what CG says in the article. Perhaps I misunderstood, but I don't think so. Gm Ji was supposed to go a second time in the summer for another seminar in Nashville. Someone mentioned to me offline that CG had canceled the seminar because Gm Ji was ill. That worried me as I didn't know Gm Ji was ill. So I called GM Ji to inquire as to his health. He indicated that he was just fine, no problems. He mentioned that CG had canceled the seminar at the last minute. > Could anyone shed any light on the counter clockwise kicking method he > mentioned? I truly interested in hearing more on that topic. Gm Ji's approach to spin kicks is that they should only be done in a clockwise direction, not in a counterclockwise direction. He describes this as when you want to rub out pain you rub the area in a counterclockwise direction, as if you are unscrewing a screw. i.e., rubbing out the pain. Per Gm Ji, if you rub in a clockwise direction you make the pain worse. Therefore in kicking since you want to hurt the person, you spin kick in a clockwise direction. Interestingly I mentioned this to a 7th Dan friend that was running a KHF dojang in the Pusan area at the time. He mentioned that this was very interesting. He had been taught to only do spin kicks in a clockwise direction, but hadn't really thought about why. His HKD instructor had been a student under Gm Ji many years prior. FWIW. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:06:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Choson Kwon Bup in TKDT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While we're talking about TKD Times... Congrats to Ian Cyrus on getting published. Good article on his Choson Kwon Bup. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Travis F." To: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:42:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] obit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael J. Wollmershauser of Feeding Hills, MA passed away peacefully in the arms of his loving wife Joan and his children holding his hands on December 8, 2002 after a long five-year battle with cancer. Mike was employed since 1992 for the Hampden County Sheriff's Department as a Fitness Trainer/Correctional Officer. Michael was known by many as "Master Mike". He was an 8th degree black belt in Hapkido and President of the American Hapkido Assoc since 1981. For more see: http://www.legacy.com/Link.asp?Id=LS00647759X --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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