Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:20:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #587 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Chair Tech (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 2. Re: Successor Claims (Victor Cushing) 3. successor (michael tomlinson) 4. Knee Fwd Kicking (Khalkee@netscape.net) 5. Re: Re: Chair Tech (Ray Terry) 6. RE>side kick pivoting (MW) 7. Re: Holidays (ISA CONSULTATION GROUP) 8. Re: Handicapped Students (Jose) 9. Cross training for TSD and TKD artists (Chris Holmes) 10. Still@ NUGA (Tolulope Oludipe) 11. Re: Handicapped Students (Ray Terry) 12. Re: Handicapped Students (Tolulope Oludipe) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:39:37 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Chair Tech Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 12/17/2002 2:00:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Have any instructors here tried borrowing or renting a wheelchair for a few days/weeks to work out a special program of hand-to-hand techniques for those in a chair. >> Chair tech is already a standard part of our curriculum. However, each physically-challenged student must be assessed individually for mobility, muscular control, and strength, etc., before a teaching plan can be formulated. Sharon --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:27:20 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor Cushing Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Successor Claims Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While it certainly is GM Ji's right to choose a successor for Sin Moo Hapkido, it is equally very open to question that he has done so (recent TKD Time article). However even were he to have made that choice, the person so named will not hold or inherit his place in Hapkido history. There will not be the likes of GM Ji again, and we should rejoice in what he has and still contributes to this art. We live in a western society where we tend to decide whether we are going to accept leadership rather than simply have it imposed on us or decided for us by someone else.This art has already outgrown the notion of a single central authority figure. There are any number of good to great teachers as Masters/Grandmasters who are continuing to refine develop and indeed add to the practice and knowledge base. No one is going to reunite Hapkido...Pandora's box for good or bad has been open too long. We once had one telephone company, anyone think that is going to happen again? TKD Times has an unfortunate habit of basically selling space for front cover feature articles and or just ignoring basic journalistic principles as long as what is printed will bolster circulation. Someone arranged for this cover and article as well as the sound bytes in it, and I highly doubt that the someone was GM Ji since media presentations, internet web sites, and modern promotional techniques are not his area of experise. In doing an investigation one often asks, "who would benefit most from this event having happened?". Seems the answer is pretty obvious, "Chris Garland". This is an attempt to hijack Gm Ji's reputation and drive away with it. Vic Cushing --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:24:57 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] successor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I noticed in this article also that when asked who were the most knowledgeable people when it came to Hapkido under Doju Nim Ji, Doju Nim stated that it was Ken McKenzie and Jurg Ziegler? Two of the most knowledgeable people I have seen and worked with are Yung T. Freda and Tony Pak, I would definately follow Tony Pak, he has his head in the right place and I HIGHLY respect him, and these two have been around Doju Nim Ji for many many years, not just one seminar. I thought the pictures were really cool with Doju Nim Ji back in the old days, lots of real history there, and a lot of the text sounded exactly what I have heard him say personally and some of it sounded well hmm,, he has explained the Sam Rang Do connection to us before and although the article didn't do it justice the Sam Rang Do history is really awesome to hear Doju Nim talk about it, on the part about old style or old school Hapkido,, well I think people who were around doing Hapkido in the 60's have a sound grasp on what old style Hapkido is, uh, they actually lived it. I don't think you can tell venerable people in the Hapkido world like Bong Soo Han, Jin Pal Kim, Hwang Duk Kyu, Oh Se Lim, Sea Oh Choi, He Young Kim, J.R. West, etc,, that they aren't doing or have been taught real Hapkido? That doesn't make sense to me. You can't tell me that the Hapkido that J.R. West learned and practiced in Vietnam during the war wasn't old style Hapkido. I just have this feeling that what J.R. was doing in Vietnam wasn't playing Hapkido pattycake. Even though I haven't worked out with GM J.R. West I give him tons of my respect for what he has done for Hapkido and how he has talked and treated me personally.. I don't know about you folks but in my book a persons actions and mannerisms define who he is to me, and that is how I judge to either be around them and listen to them or to forget them and move on,, my two cents. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:49:51 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Knee Fwd Kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A good thing to note about knee-fwd kicking ... training the base is easy, just run! If you haven't found it already, there's also a lot of continutiy btwn running, kneeing and kicking. Swimming is also a great foundation for kick training. Any swimmers out there ever train after spending an hour working out in the pool? Swimming will make all of your movement more fluid. Also promotes strength at extreme ranges of motion, i.e., at the limits of your ability to stretch and kick. Often times people train flexibility but do not have full strength around the joints at the limits of kick extension. This is dangerous, e.g., when doing fast axe kicks and even side kicks. The muscles that act across/around a joint need to be strong from all angles and at all ranges of motion. Swimming is very helpful in this regard. It provides natural resistance through full range of motion in a way that no standing or other exercises can provide. Many exercises can be performed in the water to promote strength in ways that can't be replicated outside of the pool. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Chair Tech To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:18:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Chair tech is already a standard part of our curriculum. However, each > physically-challenged student must be assessed individually for mobility, > muscular control, and strength, etc., before a teaching plan can be > formulated. Any significant changes/updates from the basic set of chair hoshinsul techs? i.e. I have learned/taught basic chair hoshinsul (as opposed to your basic WWF steel chair techniques :) , but not sure how similar these would be to techniques that would work well in a wheeled chair...??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: 18 Dec 02 09:43:31 -0600 From: MW To: the_dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] RE>side kick pivoting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net < By the way. The pivoting of the base leg should not take place before the kick itself is executed.> I was taught that the pivoting is done as the knee is chambered or set up, depending on the kick. That way your body is in a straight line to your target. The same with round and hooks. I also find that my knee to shoulder chamber range is greatly increased and I get an additional 5-6" in height (if needed) by doing so. Since I was taught this way from the beginning I feel I have increased my speed enough to where there really is no "telepath" and can change my kicks immediately if I see a better opening. michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ISA CONSULTATION GROUP" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:05:20 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Holidays Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To those of you on the list who celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, Merry Christmas. To those of you who don't, enjoy a holiday on the Christians. George Petrotta and the ISA http://4dw.net/sungjado _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Handicapped Students From: Jose Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:05:18 -0600 Organization: kiyap.com News Gateway Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We've had handicapped students in our school. I remember working out with a kids who was wheelchair bound and a kid who was blind. When we moved across town > 2 years ago we lost some students, including them. I agree with you, the benefits were very noticeable. You could see their growth in tems of confidence and self-esteem. They were also very good students and consistently put out a lot more effort and enthusiasm than non-handicapped kids. You could see they really enjoyed it and took it very seriously. I wasn't an instructor back then, although as an assistant I got the priviledge of working with them one-on-one on some techniques that my teacher asked me to help them with. Needless to say, it was quite a good experience and an unexpected surprise to see these kids overcome their physical limitations and perform at the level at which they did. As I said, I wasn't an instructor back then but if anyone is interested I can ask my teacher for any techniques, tips or training ideas to share with you. -- Jose ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.kiyap.com Online Community for Martial Artists View this thread: http://www.kiyap.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=498 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Chris Holmes" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:42:54 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cross training for TSD and TKD artists Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I just wanted to know how many of the TSD and TKD practitioners over 2nd Dan decided to study other arts to enhance their training. I will shortly be testing for 3rd Dan in Tang Soo Do but my main focus is on Han Mu Do now. I ask this because even though I have the greatest respect for my instructors and the art of TSD and the styles of TKD, I have always felt like I needed something more in my training. I found that something more in Han Mu Do. How many of you have had the same experience and what have you studied in addition to TSD and TKD? Thanks Chris Holmes _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:54:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tolulope Oludipe To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Still@ NUGA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi class, I'm still @ the 19th edition of NUGA holding at the University of Ibadan . Lost out @ the qtr finals :-( Shoot, this was my second and final attempt at it & again I lose out @ the qtr finals. I'm now officially a graduate so no more NUGA 4 me. I must ask: 1. Is it true the July2002 WTF rules are still in testing or they are officially in effect? because our referees (from the Nigeria TKD Referees Association) refused to use the new rules saying it was not yet valid. Please confirm 4 me. 2. Where can one get online videos of tounaments if available? Anyway, it was great- and Mr. Terry, I did kick butt! (though not a valid target :) TKD will end 2mro the 19th of Dec. with the Heavy wts. Peace out. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Handicapped Students To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:59:26 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > As I said, I wasn't an instructor back then but if anyone is interested > I can ask my teacher for any techniques, tips or training ideas to > share with you. Go for it! :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tolulope Oludipe To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Handicapped Students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net @ the just concluding NUGA in Nigeria, I witnessed a Fly wt. with a bad right hand. It must have stopped growing when he was about 10 and believe me, he earned his bronze medal. TKD should be encouraged to all! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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