Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #598 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Bo and Other Arts (Gerard De Valence) 2. weapons (freddie bishop) 3. Tae Kwon Do Times Articles (Kenneth W. Legendre) 4. Happy New Year (Kevin Janisse) 5. Bongsul (Hapkido Hoshinsul Dojang) 6. reply on bo/bong (tdkmonti) 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Korean_Stuff?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. Bong Bo, Bo Bong (Khalkee@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:09:48 +1100 From: Gerard De Valence To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Bo and Other Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I started studying Jodo a year or so ago, partly because age is catching up with me and I was looking for a technically demanding art that I could practice for many years and partly because I wanted to do something Japanese (to complement the Korean and Chinese). Jodo is about using a 4ft x 1 inch (127cm x 2.4cm) stick (usually oak, or other very hard fine grain wood) against the 3ft Japanese sword, therefore it is related to the Japanese sword arts. The jo is always 4ft long, regardless of the height or size of the practicioner. Some of the advanced techniques also use a short staff. It is very focused on staying alive in a duel against a sword, and has kept its martial tradition intact with no sparring or sport elements. A good jo site is www.geocities.com/Tokyo/8187/Jodo.htm Best Gerard [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of gdvalence.vcf] --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What other weapons are associated with the KMA's? Can you assume that some of the weapons of Okinawa were also used in Korea? Such as the tonfa or the kama or sai. Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:22:22 -0600 From: "Kenneth W. Legendre" To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Do Times Articles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Just a quick note on the articles published in Tae Kwon Do Times. As Master Clay stated, most of the articles published in the magazine are not written by the staff of TKD Times. (If you check the author of the article she is probably listed as a contributer. Sorry dont have my copy of the magazine on hand) I know many of the people involved with the publishing of the magazine personally. It is almost impossible to verify all of the articles that they receive. They do their best. If they feel that the article is accurate, which appears to be if you have not met either Grandmaster Ji Han Jae or Master Garland, then the article will be considered. If you feel that the article is in error write a note to the editor Mr. Greg Ryman. His email address is posted on the TKD Times website, and he does read the email he gets. I correspond with him regularly. I hope that you will not hold TKD Times responsible for the claims that were made in the article. Please contact them for Grandmaster Ji Han Jae and set the record straight for all of us who read the magazine and have not had the opportunity to meet him. Thanks Ken Legendre innae@netexpress.net 3rd Dan TKD 4th gup HKD --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:55:44 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy New Year Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wish all of you the best for the coming new year and hope your relationships, life, health, and your finances are blessed by God for the entire year and beyond. Oh yeah....Keep teaching and training hard too! Sincerely, Kevin Janisse NKMAA --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Hoshinsul Dojang" To: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:30:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bongsul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the past decade I have run into many KMA practitioners who call the bong a bo-staff. I am not sure why as they are actually saying staff-staff. Bongsul is the term for the techniques of the staff in the KMA. As far as making your own staff, we have for years at about $5 (US) each out of nice hard wood. In Houston, I found a hardwood store in the YP under lumber. They had one-inch dowels off all type of wood and sold it by the foot. Here in Cincinnati they can only get walnut (I have only found one store here) and a 5-foot or 6 foot staff runs only about $5. We then sandpaper and oil them - it is relatively simple. Tung oil appears to work the best. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:43:50 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: "tdkmonti" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] reply on bo/bong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Kent, With regards to the bo/bong question I have never seen a dojang that just teaches the staff, however you might check out Turtle Press they have 2 good video tapes on the Jang Bong. Most of the dojang that I know of that offer weapons training borrow the most or all of their weapon techniques from Okinawan Kobudo. You also might want to check out some gumdo schools, while its not the staff, Korean swordsmanship is a great weapons style to study. Hope this helps! Tony Monti [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of blue_forest.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/gif which had a name of blue_forest_backround.gif] --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:47:43 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Korean_Stuff?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Kent: "...... I was wondering if there is a Korean staff art around, maybe a Bong Do or Bong Sool? I have been looking around for different approaches to staff fighting, such as Japanese Bojutsu and European Quarterstaff. I really like working with staves, and I am interested to see if the Koreans had their own take on the matter......" The Mu Yei To Bo Tong Ji has a number of staff, cudgeol, and spear hyung. Despite these being heavily derived from Chinese traditions, I think you owe it to your Korean traditions to learn these weapons as the Koreans decided to use them. ".....Ray, I assume the reason why most people use the term 'bo' is because 'bong' has other, less martial-arts oriented meanings, and its easier to use the Japanese term to avoid confusion....". Confusion? What confusion is that, Kent? These are Korean arts, so why should there be confusion using Korean terminolgy? Taken a step farther, just why should the Korean art be better represented by using Japanese terminology? Are you suggesting that because the Japanese arts are more widely known that their terminology should somehow become a defacto standard? I, for one, have no problem with someone using English equivalents to overcome a language issue (IE: "Jang Bong" = "staff"). THAT would certainly address confusion. I would rather not hear that someone espouses Japanese terminolgy for English-speaking practitioners because it might somehow help understand Korean arts better. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:24:10 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bong Bo, Bo Bong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bong sounds about right to me. I've never heard any Korean source, my own instructors included, call a staff a "Bo". Every stick weapon, of any length, was some kind of bong. Reminds me of the sound my Chinese teacher used to make when describing fight action .. you know, like when we might say "wham" or "slam" or "bam" or "pow" or something like that ... it was always "Bahng!!!" So, Dan Bong to Jang Bong, "bong" it is, 'ey?:-) __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. 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