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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: snailmail threats (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   2. USTW (joan lowney)
   3. Hard Soft Styles (Rudy Timmerman)
   4. No FEAR FACTOR here! (Mary Braud)
   5. RE: Tae Kwon Do Won (to John W) (Laurie S.)
   6. 4 WEEKS TO AUSTIN TKD GAMES 2003 (A.garcia)
   7. RE:Snail Mail Threats and Chubby Wubby (Stovall, Craig)
   8. Re: snailmail threats (Braeswood Martial Arts)
   9. Chuck Norris fought Full-Contact? (Stovall, Craig)
  10. RE: Hard Soft Styles (Wallace, John)
  11. Re: Chuck Norris fought Full-Contact? (Ray Terry)

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Message: 1
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:50:19 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: snailmail threats
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<To the fool that sent me the following from Louisville, KY via the US Mail:

"Chubby Hapkido GM?  Lies in TKD Times?  You will pay for your Black
Deeds!">>


hey ray...

maybe i'm mistaken, but sending threats via snailmail is a felony, neh?
foolish.

take care,
melinda

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Message: 2
From: "joan lowney" <joanlowney141@msn.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:02:02 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] USTW
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Hello folks!

 I just finished reading a little bit about the USTW. I do agree with
their mission. Unforturnately,  it is true that some instructors and
practioners do not practice the philosophy and the art of  Taekwondo
itself. However, I must interject. My Grandmaster. , Grandmaster Hong 
who is Korean , promotes nothing but the philosophies and the history of
TKD. When we are being tested, our oral exams consist not only of
explaining stances, but Korean terminology and meanings of the belts, the
dobok, both the Korean and the American flags. We are also required to
write essays (for the 1st gup and up). Written exams are required as
well. 

I am very proud to be under Grandmaster Hong's wing. He is a noble and
yet humble man. He has been practicing Taekwondo for 35 or so years. (He
knows, not only Taeguk Poomsea but others as well. ) He has inspired many
students to continue practicing and go on to Tournaments as well. It is a
very well balanced system he teaches.

Blessings

Joni  Andreozzi -Lowney2nd Gup

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:15:14 -0500
From: Rudy Timmerman <kwanjang@sympatico.ca>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Hard Soft Styles
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Gaby writes:
> I asked my master once what is the difference between Taekwondo and 
> Tangsoodo,
> his answer was tangsoodo is a hard style like karate and taekwondo is a
> hard-soft style.

Hello Gaby (most folks on the list use first names, I hope you don't 
mind):
The difference of hard v/s soft v/s hard-soft is often related to 
linear and circular.  Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, and Karate Do are often 
referred to as hard and linear styles.  On the other hand, Kuk Sool, 
Hap Ki Do, Kong Shin Bup, and Aiki Do type martial arts are often 
referred to as hard/soft styles (Kwan Yu Sool).  Many folks look to Tai 
Chi and some other Gung Fu arts as soft styles.

My personal take on this is that hard styles often (not always) block 
with force (usually linear), while hard/soft styles often (not always) 
deflect and trap (often circular).  All of this is subject to the 
individual interpretation of the leaders of styles.  For example, the 
Go Ju martial art, by its very name, is hard soft; however, most Go Ju 
practitioners I have seen in this area do not use soft applications.  
Perhaps evolution has erased some of the art.  In the end, this is just 
my few pennies on a subject that is open to many interpretations.
Sincerely, Rudy

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:16:24 +0000
From: Mary Braud <mbraud@fedex.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Organization: FedEx Express
Subject: [The_Dojang] No FEAR FACTOR here!
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Yo GO Ray!  This HONESTLY is one of the reasons that I love the DD.  We
are free to exchange ideas (and at times a few flames) :), and not
intimidated by those who are too cowardly to exchange ideas and flames
face to face!  (or should I say screen to screen)

GM West--perhaps the next Jackson seminar should be held in
Louisville--Southwest flies from Jackson, MS or New Orleans to
Louisville!

:)

Sincerely,
Mary


===================================== 
> Message: 10
> From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang)
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:06:05 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [The_Dojang] snailmail threats
> Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
> 
> To the fool that sent me the following from Louisville, KY via the US Mail:
> 
> "Chubby Hapkido GM?  Lies in TKD Times?  You will pay for your Black Deeds!"
> 
> Get it straight!  That should be Chubby Hapkido GM wannabe from down Florida
> way.
> 
> And if you'll get the PO Box number right, your hollow threats will arrive
> sooner.  The number is 110841, not 110891.
> 
> Ray Terry
> rterry@idiom.com
> 
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Message: 5
From: "Laurie S." <karatekid1975@hotmail.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:22:41 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Tae Kwon Do Won (to John W)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

John Wallace wrote:

<<<<Hi Laurie:

I was a member of the California TKD Association in the mid '80s, and the 
master there (Byong Hong Yu) described his art as Moo Duk Kwan TKD.  The 
format he used was quite similar to what you described, although the modern 
Kukkiwon forms weren't fully developed at that point.  He used a combination 
of his own interpretation of instructional forms for low belts, plus the 
pyung-anh (sp?) forms for higher gup ranks.  Worked fine - some great 
artists (IMO) are from that dojang.>>>>

Yes, this school is also Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan. They do Taeguk 1 through 
8 for gup ranks, then Nahanchi 1-3, Bassai, ect for dan ranks. They also 
learn joint locks, break falls, self defense, ect. Definitely not a sport 
TKD school. They remind me of my TSD days :o)

<<<<I'm curious - I've never heard anyone describe a dojang that they 
actually belong to as a McDojang - its always been a perjorative applied to 
"the place across town".  What drew you to that conclusion?>>>>

It's a long story, but I'll keep it short. The dojang I'm "stuck" at (not 
for long, though hehehehehe) charges outragious fees for EVERYTHING. They 
pass people for their belts no matter if they do bad or good. I saw them 
pass two people for BB that did not deserve it (that's also a long story). 
They claim to teach self defense, which is not the case. It's all sport, and 
a belt factory. Nothing wrong with sport, but the fact that they charge way 
too much, pass out belts like they are fries, make you sign a three year 
contract, and claim stuff that's not true is BAD.

So, I'm back to the Moo Duk Kwan :o)

Laurie



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:50:28 -0700
From: "A.garcia" <agarcia@totalaccess.net>
Organization: USA Tae Kwon Do
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] 4 WEEKS TO AUSTIN TKD GAMES 2003
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

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Message: 7
From: "Stovall, Craig" <CStovall@nucorar.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:30:13 -0600 
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Snail Mail Threats and Chubby Wubby
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Ray wrote,

<<<That should be Chubby Hapkido GM wannabe from down Florida way.>>>

Speak of the devil...I remember he used to post on this list from time to
time.  I was unsubscribed for a couple of months early this year while I
transitioned into a new job.  Was there some watershed event that I missed
that drove him away from the list, or did he just fade away (as most warts
do if given enough time)?  Forgive me for stirring up any
unpleasantries...I'm just curious (and svelte, and good looking).

Craig "Not Officially Recognized by the Korean Government" Stovall

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Message: 8
From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" <BMAC2@ev1.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] snailmail threats
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:57:49 -0600
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Hello Ray

Seems more and more "so called" martial artists do not uphold the ethics
they expect their fellow martial artists and/or students to uphold...

things that make you go "HHHHuuummmmm"

Attn:
the fool that sent Master Terry  the threats from Louisville, KY via the US
Mail:

do not forget, what goes around comes around!

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Message: 9
From: "Stovall, Craig" <CStovall@nucorar.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:57:17 -0600 
Subject: [The_Dojang] Chuck Norris fought Full-Contact?
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Ray wrote,

<<<He and Chuck Norris were among the top ranked full contact fighters on
the circuit at that time.>>>

Maybe we're speaking different languages here, but when I think of "full
contact" from that era I think of "PKA style kickboxing" ala what Bill
Wallace, Benny Urquidez, Jeff Smith, Joe Lewis, et al did.  I was under the
impression that Norris never fought any sanctioned full contact bouts (with
the boxing gloves, and the tacky satin pants).  Now granted, he's from the
old-school bare knuckle days when the "point fighting" had a lot more
contact than what you see out there today.  Is that what you mean when you
say "full contact"?

Speaking of Norris...does anybody know if he ever got his black belt from
the Machados?  I know he was/is a brown belt under them for a good long
while, and was just wondering if he had made it to black.  He's a very
impressive man.

Craig Stovall

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Message: 10
From: "Wallace, John" <John_Wallace@affymetrix.com>
To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'"
  <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hard Soft Styles
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:55:12 -0800 
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

I agree with Rudy, and I'd furhter submit that the reason why more modern
Taekwondo is referred to as Hard/Soft has to do with the refinements in
sport taekwondo (Olympic style sparring) where it would be madness to try
and block kicks with your arms.  This has lead to an emphasis on
positioning, footwork, and counterstriking (not being where your opponent
expects you to be), which is a "softer approach" than limb-to-limb blocking.
My dojang doesn't really get into the finer tactics and elite conditioning
that competition oriented schools do, but we recently got an object lesson
in the futility of blocking (some kinds of)kicks.  A 7th gup student was
sparring a 4th gup, and executed a textbook "outer forearm block" (wax on -
wax off) against an incoming, relatively high-power roundhouse (turning kick
to ITF'ers).  Snapped the pinky-side bone in his forearm...

John Wallace
I Dan, TKD
Fremont, CA

-----Original Messages-----

Gaby writes:
> I asked my master once what is the difference between Taekwondo and
> Tangsoodo,
> his answer was tangsoodo is a hard style like karate and taekwondo is a
> hard-soft style.

Rudy replies:
My personal take on this is that hard styles often (not always) block 
with force (usually linear), while hard/soft styles often (not always) 
deflect and trap (often circular).  All of this is subject to the 
individual interpretation of the leaders of styles.  For example, the 
Go Ju martial art, by its very name, is hard soft; however, most Go Ju 
practitioners I have seen in this area do not use soft applications.  
Perhaps evolution has erased some of the art.  In the end, this is just 
my few pennies on a subject that is open to many interpretations. Sincerely,
Rudy _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chuck Norris fought Full-Contact?
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:52:14 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> Maybe we're speaking different languages here, but when I think of "full
> contact" from that era I think of "PKA style kickboxing" ala what Bill
> Wallace, Benny Urquidez, Jeff Smith, Joe Lewis, et al did.  I was under the
> impression that Norris never fought any sanctioned full contact bouts (with
> the boxing gloves, and the tacky satin pants).  Now granted, he's from the
> old-school bare knuckle days when the "point fighting" had a lot more
> contact than what you see out there today.  Is that what you mean when you
> say "full contact"?

What!!!  You didn't see him fight Bill Wallace in Force of One?  :)

Yes, I think Carlos spanned both the full contact point sparring and full 
contact continuous sparring eras.  ???

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com


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