Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:10:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #18 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Hwalmoo hapkido - Videos of Gm Moon-Bueng tae (Barrel's taekwondo) 2. Re: Patrol Exam (J T) 3. Congrats Michael (J T) 4. Apologies to the list (J T) 5. the Rapid Journal (Ray Terry) 6. Adaptability and counters in the martial arts (adam flanders) 7. RE: Adaptability and counters in the martial arts (Wallace, John) 8. The "sense and senibilities" of the Pyong Ahn series of kata. (Kakita Kentei) 9. weight loss and competition/testing (Charles Richards) 10. RE: Flexibility Form (Stovall, Craig) 11. RE: The "sense and senibilities" of the Pyong Ahn series of kata. (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:20:45 +0100 From: Barrel's taekwondo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hwalmoo hapkido - Videos of Gm Moon-Bueng tae Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all, For those who are interested: our Hapkido club has some videos of Gm Moon Bueng-tae demonstrating some of his skills. You can find them at: http://www.hwalmoohapkido.be/bansoo/movie.htm Barrel -- General Taekwondo Information http://www.barrel.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 06:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Patrol Exam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congrats on your exam Michael! Keep up the good work! Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 07:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Congrats Michael Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congrats on your exam Michael. Does this mean that we can get a 10% DD discount on all speeding tickets through your state? :) Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 07:18:05 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Apologies to the list Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I want to apologize for my post in which I did curse. Alain hyung is right in that I should watch the language that I use (regardless which tongue I chose to use it in). Again, this is just a bad habit I have to over come, because frankly I've ran out of salt for my reboks. ;) Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 07:38:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] the Rapid Journal Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FYI. Info on how to subscribe to the Rapid Journal... Ray ==================================================================== Dear Mr. Terry: Thank you very much for your inquiry. Rapid Journal (52 pp.) is a quarterly martial arts journal published by Taichi Works Publications in the Philippines. It was originally intended to feature articles on internal arts (such as taiji, pakua, aikido, qigong etc.) but it has now expanded to include articles on Filipino martial arts and other martial arts practiced in the Philippines as well. Currently, there are 23 back issues and we have just recently came out with our 24th issue. All back issues are available and it costs US $7.00/issue, this includes shipping. Subscription rate is US $28.00/year (4 issues). You can send international money order payable in US dollars to: Daniel Go 458 Jaboneros St. Binondo, Manila 1006 Philippines Tel. 245-6798 Tel.Fax 2310333. Thank you very much. Yours truly, Daniel Go Rapid Journal/Publisher --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "adam flanders" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:57:04 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Adaptability and counters in the martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I have been a lurker in the dojang for a good while now and want to thank everyone for contributing in making this one of the best martial arts resource and discussion sites out there. That being said, I'm interested in people's opinions and practices when it comes to change and adaptation in the martial arts. I think that many would agree that one of the most important aspects in maintaining a martial art is its ability to change accordingly to the most recent practices (which is probably who you would face rather than an old-style monk or master). For example most people wouldn't try to perform the traditional blocks when fighting a modern-day boxer...or maybe you might? We also saw this in the early UFC when many of the competitiors forgot about their "ground game"... So, what does everyone do to keep up with the latest practices? Do you attend cross-style symposiums? Have friendly sparring matches with other styles at near-by local schools? Do you teach counters if your students or fellow practitioners were to square off against other stylists or do you still make assumptions that you as a tae kwon do practitioner will be facing another tae kwon do practitioner? Do you consider counters when say, as a hapkidoist you might be facing a jiujitsu practioner or a muay thai kickboxer? If you do teach and consider cross-style counters, what kind of exercises does everybody do? Any process methodologies (thinking or teaching) that anyone might care to share about preventing some careless assumptions and/or evaluating your imaginary opponent? (For instance, I'm well aware I'm making assumptions even now by talking about martial arts from the perspective of fighting and self-defense aspects...not tournaments or the traditional practice of an art like gumdo). I'm interested in both sides of those who do and those who don't do this and their reasons as well... YITMA, Adam Flanders _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Adaptability and counters in the martial arts Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:39:14 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Adam Its an interesting academic question I suppose, but for the most part I think most of us have enough on our hands learning our particular style and focussing on handling self-defense situations that do not have the additional complications of what a white-crane kung-fu stylist would do in an attack against us. In other words, the odds of facing a martial artist trained in a particular style (even a good boxer, here in the US) are small relative to the odds of facing a drunken brute or an aggressive mugger. The low-hanging fruit (so to speak) is to prepare your self defense scenarios to deal with a larger, stronger attacker using bum-rush and brute force techniques (IMHO). Except for tournament situations, I wouldn't ever expect to meet a highly trained Martial Artist in a "street fight", for the same reason that you (Adam) shouldn't expect to meet ME in a street fight - I'm either at work or at home, or in the dojang, honing my skills. A thug spends most of his time being a thug...not working out esoteric jujutsu counters to hapkido throws. Perhaps the older/wiser graybeards would disagree with me? -JW I Dan, TKD Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: adam flanders [mailto:flanders_a@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:57 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Adaptability and counters in the martial arts ... That being said, I'm interested in people's opinions and practices when it comes to change and adaptation in the martial arts. I think that many would agree that one of the most important aspects in maintaining a martial art is its ability to change accordingly to the most recent practices (which is probably who you would face rather than an old-style monk or master)... ...For example most people wouldn't try to perform the traditional blocks when fighting a modern-day boxer...or maybe you might? We also saw this in the early UFC when many of the competitiors forgot about their "ground game" (For instance, I'm well aware I'm making assumptions even now by talking about martial arts from the perspective of fighting and self-defense aspects... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: Kakita Kentei To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The "sense and senibilities" of the Pyong Ahn series of kata. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Erik Brann here, as I am working on my next test hyung, Pyong Ahn IV, I recall reading somewhere about these patterns have a meaning, as it were to tell a story. I would be very curious to hear what the deeper meanings or attitudes these forms are designed to impart. I'd also be curious to hear about whether each form should be carried out with its own internal beat or if they should be performed to a very strict beat, to finish a form within a certain amount of time. And, should one be strongly aggressive for each form, or should they each be approached as an individual, and the "sense" of the form should be drawn through the moves? The reason I ask, is that I am learning this form, but am having trouble getting a sense of the rhythm of the kata, about timing the explosiveness of certain moves and being fluid with others, with each occurring at the right time. I had also heard that at one point the five Pyong Ahn forms were originally one form. Is this true? Thanks for your time. Erik 4th gup Moo Duk Kwan Tae Kwon Do PS. Thank you all for your voiced help about my loss of martial spirit. I've been attacking training, and am preparing for test time. ===== Kakita Kentei Crane Clan Samurai * SCRUB * Duelist Extreme Games TO One Draw. Three Cuts. Eight Pieces. No Quarter. Any Questions? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] weight loss and competition/testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Wondering: Why lose weight before tournaments? I don't understand. What I would call my "prime weight" is where I am the strongest ... and I hover around that weight within 3 pounds in either direction (for decades now). My question is really motivated by the approaches used to cause this short-term weight change advocated before tournament competitions. ... look at the lonf term big picture and structure life so that it is not necessary to chase unnecessary and possibly counterproductive changes. This reflects lifestyle discipline, and discipline is key. <> I need information about shedding pounds before a rank test. My rank test is April 5 and I have to do a running spin kick. I need to lose a little more weight by this time so that I have the speed and balance needed. I was told that weight does not matter but my balance seems to be off. Any suggestions? <> Dear Landa, First I don't know how much weight you're looking to loose, but in the 11 weeks or so I'd guess 15-20 pounds is the most you could safely do, say 5-10 pounds water loss in the first week and a "safe" one pound per week. As the gentleman put's it this will require lifestyle discipline.... What I can tell you is that 15-20 pounds will make a noticable difference in your athletic abailities. Good luck with your test, last month their was a lengthy thread on Atkins and Dr. McDougal diets so please search the DD archives or go directly to those sites. Now for the first post, I agree that trying to loose weight a short time before a competition does not make any sense to me, and that many quik loss plans will encourage muscle mass reduction, I can relay a little experience and personal philosophy. Over the last year or so I have reduced my weight by over 35 pounds. That included the first 20 before the AAU nationals past July, and I have a goal of being 20 pounds lighter by AAU nationals in July 03 (about a pound per week). I can say I can see a noticeable difference in my flexability, stamina, speed, vertical leap and a reduced stress on my joints. So the short term reason for doing it before a competition is it makes me a better athelete. Also as a competative person, the goal of doing well at the event helps keep you disciplined on the goals of your eating plan. Long range I know it will provide me a happier, healthier life, and make me a better martial artist. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:43:47 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Flexibility Form Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net James wrote, <<>> I vaguely remember seeing a similar segment from a documentary on the Discovery Channel. If I recall correctly, she was a student of Pan Quingfu. You may know him as the guy from Mark Salzman's "Iron and Silk". So, I would do a search for Pan Quingfu, and if that doesn't work I'd check into Wushu since I believe that's his background. This form that you're looking for may be a high level form within Wushu. Hope this helps. Good luck. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] The "sense and senibilities" of the Pyong Ahn series of kata. Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:01:11 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a link where you can see many forms including the Pyong Ahn's...: http://mchenry.homeip.net/TangSooDo/forms/index.htm I study both TKD and Shotokan, we have very similar forms called Heians (Shotokan), the Okinawans in say Shorin-Ryu call them Pinan, the Korean's call them Pyong-Ahn's... All three sets are really the same forms. The difference in the names is a result of the Japanese, Okinawan and Korean pronouncing for the characters that represent the forms name. Many Korean's studied Shotokan during the Japanese occupation... These forms were developed by 'Anko' Yasutsune Itsou (1830 -1915) one of Gichen Funakoshi's (the founder of Shotokan Karate) teachers. Itsou created the forms to make it easier for schoolchildren to learn and digest the techniques. It's rumored that Itosu created the forms from one from. Many believe this to be Kwang-Gae or Kong Sang Koon (Korean) name. I found this link on a quick search: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/9536/pyong_ahn.html I don't know that it's 100% accurate but should provide plenty of detail and food for thought and further exploration. Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Kakita Kentei [mailto:kakita_kentei@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:17 PM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] The "sense and senibilities" of the Pyong Ahn series > of kata. > > Hi all, > > Erik Brann here, as I am working on my next test hyung, Pyong Ahn IV, I > recall > reading somewhere about these patterns have a meaning, as it were to tell > a > story. > > I would be very curious to hear what the deeper meanings or attitudes > these > forms are designed to impart. > > I'd also be curious to hear about whether each form should be carried out > with > its own internal beat or if they should be performed to a very strict > beat, to > finish a form within a certain amount of time. > > And, should one be strongly aggressive for each form, or should they each > be > approached as an individual, and the "sense" of the form should be drawn > through the moves? > > The reason I ask, is that I am learning this form, but am having trouble > getting a sense of the rhythm of the kata, about timing the explosiveness > of > certain moves and being fluid with others, with each occurring at the > right > time. > > I had also heard that at one point the five Pyong Ahn forms were > originally one > form. Is this true? > > Thanks for your time. > > Erik > 4th gup Moo Duk Kwan Tae Kwon Do > > PS. Thank you all for your voiced help about my loss of martial spirit. > I've > been attacking training, and am preparing for test time. > > ===== > Kakita Kentei > Crane Clan Samurai * SCRUB * Duelist > Extreme Games TO > One Draw. Three Cuts. Eight Pieces. No Quarter. Any Questions? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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