Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #22 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. carbonecho (Tkdsid@aol.com) 2. Dinosaur Training ?? (Ray Terry) 3. To Adam (Luke Edwards) 4. Re: carbonecho (Jose) 5. Top 1% (Patrick L) 6. 1% and Forrest Morgan (Charles Richards) 7. Training for the Best (FirstPe315@aol.com) 8. Re:Tukong Moosul (Jonathan Payne) 9. Re: Training for the Best (Ray Terry) 10. Korean Studies: Gi-wook Shin, Jan 23 (Ray Terry) 11. RE: "Living the Martial Way" by Forest Morgan (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 12. re: true warriors (Darin Walker) 13. questions for Mr. Timmerman (freddie bishop) 14. the real thing (freddie bishop) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:33:15 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] carbonecho Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know what happened to carbonecho.com? Does anyone know where to get an accre4dited Ph.D in martial arts? S. Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:01:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Dinosaur Training ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Any folks out there using the concepts of 'dinosaur training'? No, I'm not talking about throwing around big ole monsters like Grandmasters West and Timmerman... :) But weight training concepts put forth by Brooks Kubik. Anyone? Comments on how you found it? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Luke Edwards" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:26:45 +0930 Subject: [The_Dojang] To Adam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is in response to your question about what other martial artists do about the difference of controlled and uncontrolled fighting environments. Personally, where I train, techniques are taught to be used in a variation that suits you best in whatever situation. Most traditional kicks, punches and defense techniques will never be applied to an actual street fight. In addition, fear and adrenaline will most likely make you lash out instinctively and forget your training which is why techniques are taught to become second nature and incorporated into your life, not just for a brief training session. The point is, in a real situation, you do whatever you can to get out of it. If this included your training, then good, but if you can execute a powerful kick to the gut or a punch to the face, you won't have to worry about technique or counters. How many people really expect to twist some dudes arm around his head, sweep his legs and shatter his spine at the same time? It's all about basic technique. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jose Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:38:44 -0600 Organization: kiyap.com News Gateway Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: carbonecho Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Carbonecho has been down for months, but I don't know what happened to them. Too bad, 'cause it was a really nice site. I've never seen anyone offer a degree in Martial Arts, but there are plenty of places that offer degrees in Asian Studies. Do a search on the web for Asian Studies and a number of universities will show up. -- Jose ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.kiyap.com Online Community for Martial Artists View this thread: http://www.kiyap.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1263 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:03:31 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Top 1% Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear J, The statement "train to deal with the top 1% of martial-artists." sounds good, but it is only a toss-off, motivational, trainer type quote. If it keeps YOUNG MEN motivated, then it is a worth using ON THEM. But I hope you don't use it as a standard to judge all Martial Artists. Some just don't have the time, athleticism, and strength to even consider training in such a fashion. You might wish to consider the probability you will NEVER be in the top 1%, and the certainty that if you are, that you won't stay there more than 5 years, and then think about what will keep you motivated to do that which you obviously love? Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:03:34 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 1% and Forrest Morgan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Speaking of this topic. Has anyone read "Living the Martial Way" by Forest Morgan? It addresses many of these issues. If some people have read this book, I'd be interested in discussing it. <> Yes I've read it and agree with a lot of it. Taking a Morgan/West approach I tend to try to be overprepared, beit for fighting by NGB "X's" rules or "street-wise" rules. No matter how you cut it when the fecal matter hits the oscilating fan you need a skill that is developed to such a high degree it will work in crisis mode, and an understanding that allows you to adapt a "bread-and-butter" technique when the "entry/feed" is presented in a "totally stup un-orthodox" method. Put another way upon reaching 3rd Dan I had a Master Instructor (mentor) who said to me "...now is when training gets very boring...." He was talking about doing low spinning heel kick so many times on a bag that you would always hit the achillies in the same pain compliance point....nothing to it but literally thousands of repititions....trust me he taught three variations of how to enter into that technique and as the ranking student at that seminar guess who he demostrated on :-) he was that accurate... Taking Master Terry's logic, I will assume that my oponent know more about fighting under the rules dejur than I do which includes fighting by his own stupid rules. So I agree train with the best players and expect to be outskilled train with the most junior ranks and expect to be "sucker punched" or hit with some wild uncontrolled technique Keep an attitude of never to old to learn and the rest is commentary.... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TangSooDo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:45:37 -0500 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Training for the Best Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Again, I would humbly disagree with Dave, Khalee and Ray. My point, more specifically is this. When you train with principles over (not instead of) rote memorization of attack and defense procedures, you ARE training to beat the best because these principles work in any situations and all attackers and types of attacks are susceptible to them. You can't train for any possible variant in combat by training against specific attacks alone because each combat variable changes even the attack itself. The environment, ability, strength, mindset etc. all impact even the same attack. I both agree and disagree with you Ray in that by using principles and learning adaptability in your technique you can absolutely handle ANY situation or attack, but if you only train for "odd" attacks, what about the odd attacks you haven't thought of yet. And Dave, I would very much disagree that these types of ideas cannot lend to you the possibility of defeating "more skilled warriors" than yourself. Age, injury and mobility problems are merely corrected by having your movement perhaps more subtle, your angles more refined, your technique more skilled and your kicks/punches having improved focus, or even perhaps a more skilled strategical knowledge so you can anticipate and calculate attack and defense outside of physical skill. Jeff a.k.a. J --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Jonathan Payne" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:00:54 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Tukong Moosul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tukong Moosul is a Korean MA designed for their Special Forces. Studying TKMS will not make you a trained "Mac Bolan" wantabe. TKMS does use forms. The first series resembles TKD Hyung, at about 6th Gup we began learning soft forms such as Sorim Kwon Bup. We learned break-falls, rolls, and dive-rolls as well as take-downs, chokes, and throws. TKMS students learn several weapons such as the sword, staff, fan, nunchukas, and stick fighting to name a few. Grandmaster Yi is the founder of the World Tukong Moosul Federation and I believe the founder of TKMS. I have not found a better system anywhere nor a better instructor than GM Yi. If I were living in Austin again there is no doubt where I would train. Gm Yi's school is on 183/Research Blvd. The website www.tukongusa.com has directions to the dojang. I'm sure Sa Bum Nim Ali Brown would be glad to show you around and answer any of your questions. Tell him Jon David Payne says hello. Jon David Payne _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Training for the Best To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:11:07 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > My point, more specifically is this. When you train with principles over > (not instead of) rote memorization of attack and defense procedures, you > ARE training to beat the best because these principles work in any > situations and all attackers and types of attacks are susceptible to them. Training principles is correct, no problem there. But that alone will not prepare you for all attackers and any type of attack. Maybe not even most attackers and most types of attack. It just ain't that easy... imho Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:08:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Studies: Gi-wook Shin, Jan 23 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: The Council on East Asian Studies at Yale 2002-2003 Korean Studies Lecture Series Gi-wook Shin Associate Professor, Sociology, Stanford University "The Paradox of Korean Globalization" Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:00 PM Luce Hall, Room 203 34 Hillhouse Avenue, New Haven, CT free and open to the public The Korean Studies Lecture Series is generously funded by the Edward J. and Dorothy Clarke Kempf Memorial Fund. For more information, contact the Council on East Asian Studies at (203) 432-3426 or alexander.han@yale.edu * * * * * Alexander Jonghee Han Administrative Associate, Japan Programs Council on East Asian Studies Luce Hall Room 320 (203) 432-3428 (203) 432-3430 fax --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:00:00 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: "Living the Martial Way" by Forest Morgan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jason, Master McHenry recommended this book to me. It is an excellent book. Dean Sr. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Darin Walker" To: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:14:57 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: true warriors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net True Warriors?!? A true warrior is a total way of life not just a technique or two (or two hundred). Every time you enter a room, every time you park your car are you thinking about survival? I believe true warriors are born and have a need to learn all types of survival. Some people try to become warriors other people claim to be warriors, very few are. D.R. Walker --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:16:25 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] questions for Mr. Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What weapons are taught to Kuk Sool Won students after the Jang bong (long staff)? How can a Tae Kwon Do guy learn and incorporate weapons into his own dojang? Could I benefit from practicing Kendo a Japanese art? I live in Indiana and there are no Kuk Sool schools. I would appreciate your knowledge on these subjects. Thank you Fred Bishop __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] the real thing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How can I be sure my Tae Kwon Do instructor is teaching real Hapkido in addition to TKD? Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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