Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:48:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #29 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Difference between Tangsoodo and Taekwondo (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 2. weapons (freddie bishop) 3. lineage (michael tomlinson) 4. Titan Games (Ray Terry) 5. ESPN2 Slated To Televise Inaugural Titan Games (Ray Terry) 6. Titan Games, P.S. (Ray Terry) 7. Current conversation. (arcane nemesis) 8. Re: 9th Dan in Kickboxing (SallyBaughn@aol.com) 9. Would you be interested in... (Jose) 10. Incorporating something new = new art ? ( J T ) (rg10475@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Difference between Tangsoodo and Taekwondo Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:32:48 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can tell you my experience. I study both TKD and Shotokan Karate. I've found the Pyong-Ahn forms of TSD to be extremely similar to the Heian forms of Shotokan... However to your specific question: TSD comes for the Moo Duk Kwan one of the original 9 Kwans that came together to form TKD. With that being said: I have found in the TSD dojang's I've worked out with, TSD Mang Ho Kwan, TSD Mi Guk Kwan, TSD Moo Duk Kwan, and Zip White (not sure his TSD affliation) that the main differences would be that use a sort of Cat Stance for a back stance where they lift up the heel of the front foot. Additionally the TSD schools I've visited advocated a large hip movement and even stance shift between alternate arm techniques during onesteps... I'm sure someone who truly studies TSD could elaborate some more... Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: gaby noufaily [mailto:abuelgab@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:41 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Difference between Tangsoodo and Taekwondo > > A lot of questions but  no answers about the difference between Tkd and > TSD,some tell me they are similar, what differentiate them are the forms > and sport sparring,some tell me they are completely different,TSD is a > hard style and very tradition,TKD is hard/soft style and it is a complete > art.So I am confused That's why I would like to receive many convincing > answers about this topic..Thank youGaby Noufaily > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, I don't think I'll be asking any questions like the weapons inquiry. I'll just follow my own heart! If there were more schools to choose from with more variety, maybe I wouldn't be practicing Tae Kwon Do. My original master instructor, Master Young Chul Chung, who now resides in Melbourne, FL, was well versed in other arts such as Judo, Praying Mantis Kung Fu, Kendo, and he called it Kendo, judo or whatever it was he was doing. So, I don't see a problem with me studying other arts for my own enjoyment. Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:22:40 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] lineage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On my answer on lineage I think some people missed my point. Simply, if you are paying someone to teach you Hapkido and they can't explain who, where, and how they learned enough Hapkido to become an instructor and charge you money for it then my Bullsh--t meter goes off, very loud and clear. The next thing is this, if they can or can't produce the legitimate documentation then my next observation is what can THEY do on the mat. I have a pretty good feeling that if they are really good on the mat then they have either the certification or, the honor to tell you the truth about their training.. I have seen people with so called "legitimate" certification who aren't in good enough shape to bend over and tie their shoe, do I want to train with them, heck no, one of those people teaches Hapkido in the Orlando area and I think he is discussed on here quite often,, I have also seen some great fighters with no certification at all, but they were square with me and told me exactly how and where they had trained,, You have to realize this,, there are several dojangs in the area around me with Hapkido on their shingle and not one of those jokers no any Hapkido at all,, one of my students called a Hapkido school in east orlando and the instructor didn't even no who Choi Yong Sool or Ji Han Jae was!!! No kidding,, now do you think this fool really studied Hapkido? In the land of the video black belt and the ill prepared consumer this crap happens all too often,, again,, if it were me--- 1. who did he study with 2. what is his certification 3. what affiliation does he belong to 4. can he rock and roll on the mat? if your aren't satisfied with the answers then IMHO move along.. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:55:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Titan Games Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fyi... Titan Games Pain is the signature to first-time Games By Kevin Neuendorf // USOC Media Relations The 2003 Titan Games will take us back to a simpler time; a competition stripped of such glamour sports as swimming, basketball and gymnastics, and focused on combative sports steeped in Olympic history and teeming with intriguing and flamboyant personalities. Add in a circus-like element of four simultaneous competitions plus the lure of the worlds best, and what you have stuffed into the Event Center at San Jose State University is positively Titanesque. Played out over three days, Feb. 13-15, the Titan Games are Cupids antithesis as there will be no love lost between combatants battling for over $80,000 in prize money and for the title of Ultimate Titan. The Road To Athens for Americas elite boxers, fencers, shot putters, wrestlers, weightlifters and judo, taekwondo and karate athletes matches them up with the worlds powers in each of these respective sports. Its a sporting mix sure to please any fan. Boxing, wrestling, weightlifting and forms of judo were all part of the original Olympic Games and the excitement and intensity generated by these sports carries with us today. U.S. boxers will re-acquaint themselves with their biggest rivals, the Cubans. Wrestling will showcase college legend Cael Sanderson and local hero Eric Guerrero, a former star at San Joses Independence High School and three-time national champion at Oklahoma State. Weightliftings Shane Hamman and Cheryl Haworth, both 2000 Olympians, will be hoisting massive amounts of weight. Judo will welcome the worlds best to San Jose State, which has won 38 of the past 50 judo collegiate championships. Taekwondo and karate add to the martial arts spectacle that will be on display. With its grace, style and speed, fencing will command much attention, as will the top four shot putters in the world as they throw outdoors to the delight of San Jose State University students and others. The female titans of this event are sure to be a marquee attraction. Led by 2000 Olympic weightlifting bronze medalist Haworth, all but two (boxing and shot put) of the eight sports on display will have female competitors. Two women wrestlers will compete as well, and their Road to Athens is the sports first as their event wasnt added to the Olympic program until after the 2000 Games in Sydney. The 2003 Titan Games gets started with the Night of Champions on Feb. 13 followed by USA vs. Mexico competitions in boxing, judo and karate. The Night of Champions is a VIP reception honoring Olympic champions in each of the respective Titan Games sports. In addition to the four-ring circus going on inside, sport clinics and demonstrations will be conducted throughout the event by the sports stars and legends, along with local area bands performing before the competitions begin. With their rich combat sport history, USOC relationship and extensive Olympic alumni network, San Jose and the San Jose Sports Authority are perfect hosts for the inaugural Titan Games and provide the proper platform needed to launch USOC initiatives highlighting the journey of athletes to the Games and bringing Olympic-type extensions to the public. Furthermore, participants from Russia, Mexico, Cuba, China, Puerto Rico and Vietnam appeal to the Bay Areas ethnic diversity. Tickets to this cant-miss event are already on sale at www.ticketmaster.com starting Dec. 23 or through the participating National Governing Bodies. Tickets will also be available at all San Jose Ticketmaster locations beginning Jan. 16. While the Titan Games may not include all the Olympic sports, theyre without a doubt the most painful ones. Dont miss it! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:58:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] ESPN2 Slated To Televise Inaugural Titan Games Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ESPN2 Slated To Televise Inaugural Titan Games By Kevin Neuendorf // USOC Media Relations Colorado Springs, Colo. -- The United States Olympic Committee and ESPN announced today an agreement to televise the USOC's inaugural Titan Games, a world-class combat sport competition in a multi-sport format, on ESPN2. The agreement gives ESPN2 full broadcast rights for the Olympic Games preview. Developed by the USOC in partnership with the affiliated National Governing Bodies (NGBs) and hosted by the San Jose Sports Authority and the City of San Jose, the Titan Games, scheduled for February 13-15, 2003, will feature a "USA versus the World" format in dual and triangular meets. The Titan Games venue will accommodate four platforms with competition continuously happening on at least three. Elite boxers, fencers, shot putters, wrestlers, weightlifters and judo, taekwondo and karate athletes will be matched up with the world's best in each of their respective sports. ESPN2 will delay broadcast the event with hour-long programs on March 29, 3:00 - 4:00 p.m. (ET), and March 30, 4:30 - 5:30 p.m. (ET), immediately following the NCAA's Women's Basketball East Regional final. "We are proud to partner with ESPN2 to televise the Titan Games," said USOC Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Ward. "With the ESPN2 broadcast, some of the best athletes in the world will be showcased in pre-Olympic competition. The 'Titan Games' competition will be an important step to our athletes getting prepared for Athens in 2004." The Titan Games format is the first of its kind and will be staged over three finals-only sessions at the 5,000-seat Event Center at San Jose State University. Team and individual winners will be named by sport and weight classification, with the honor of "Ultimate Titan" up for grabs. The list of marquee participants, both from the U.S. and around the world, continues to grow as the countdown for the Titan Games is already underway. To date, the event has secured competitors from Mexico, Vietnam, Cuba, Russia, Puerto Rico, China and Hungary. The U.S. men's freestyle wrestling team was announced Friday, Dec. 20 as college legend Cael Sanderson and local wrestling phenom Eric Guerrero are set to compete. The next team announcement comes Jan. 3 with USA Weightlifting selections. Pre-sale tickets for The Titan Games will be available at www.ticketmaster.com and directly through the involved National Governing Bodies beginning December 23 - January 15, 2003. Olympic fans using their Visa card to purchase tickets will receive an additional $4 off the pre-sale ticket price. All ticket holders will also receive a free 2002 Olympic Winter Games beret. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:13:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Titan Games, P.S. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Titan Games > Pain is the signature to first-time Games > By Kevin Neuendorf // USOC Media Relations P.S. I think they left out the fact that Korea will be sending over a Taekwondo team -and- Roland Garros will be wrestling. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "arcane nemesis" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:53:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Current conversation. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all. Newbie here. I am 4th generation Hapkidoist of 17 years. The principle of HKD is Hwa Won Yue, Harmonious, circular flowing motion, It is not the techniques. We are thieves, we steal what works scientifically and practically. It is said that HKD is thousands of years in the making, this is because the core techniques were starting to be developed in other styles long ago. Even the styles which were adapted have been modified to work in a circular pattern. I believe all styles must grow and expand, or they grow stagnate and die. We must not have full cups. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --__--__-- Message: 8 From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:46:22 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 9th Dan in Kickboxing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig wrote: << This character is one of the three guys that took out a full page color ad in TKD Times a few years ago proclaiming themselves as winners of the King of the World martial arts tournament. Amazingly enough, no one had ever heard of this tournament, or the three guys. As I recall, one was the speed champion, one was the power champion, and this Kwon cat was the sparring champion. >> While checking out the site, I found that the King of the World Championship only included ranks above 8th Dan and World Champions. So who do you know that's 8th Dan or above and is still sparring? Most associations I've heard about start at 8th and 9th Dan to give the belts for "promoting" the art. (Probably not true today, but 15 years ago in TKD for instance, you'd have to be 50 or older to legitimately "earn" a n 8th Dan, so we should be talking greybeards here.) Besides, In 1999, most World Champions of any stature were working their butts off to earn a spot in the 2000 Olympics, so I doubt they'd have stepped into any ring where there were no weight or style limitations. Come to think of it - doesn't this sound amazingly like an Ultimate Fighting Championships with a twist? I did notice that GM Kwon only held 10th Dan in the MA he "created." At least that's done in the traditional way. : ) >From my stance on the mountain with all my vast knowledge, I'd say this was a school owner who worked hard and struggled for years then finally realized that most people who came to his school wanted to see what they saw in the movies and gave it to them. Can I knock him? Sure, because his brand of martial arts isn't my cup of tea and I have every right to say that. Is he legit? Go read the archives of DD. He's as legit as YOU (the buyer) want him to be. Sally --__--__-- Message: 9 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jose Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:05:21 -0600 Organization: kiyap.com News Gateway Subject: [The_Dojang] Would you be interested in... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net a daily email summary of Martial Arts news? One of my site's features is a section on the latest Martial Arts news and articles to hit the press. If there is enough interest, I could add a feature to send daily email summaries of the news to those who would be interested and sign up for it. What do you all think? Would this be useful? -- Jose ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.kiyap.com Online Community for Martial Artists View this thread: http://www.kiyap.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1380 --__--__-- Message: 10 From: rg10475@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:26:25 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Incorporating something new = new art ? ( J T ) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi to all my M.A.'s bro's & sis's. I've been a member of D.D. for about a year or so now . I' ve always read everything put out , never enter into any debate . Til now , when people talk about Korean Martial Arts . Say things like, TKD comes from Japanesse Shotokan, & HKD from Aikijuitsu, but fail to say that these arts also come from somewhere else ( Okinawa, China ) its a bit upsetting . They say Kenjuitsu is pure Japanesse, but forget to say that the art of the sword & sword making came from KOREA. Yes this is some what upsetting. And yes other then China, Koreans implemented the sword and its tech. of making it before Japan. Also lets not forget that the HWA RANG came before the Samuria & Ninja . And Japan implemented much of their skills from them . So the next time you talk about Korea & Japan please make sure you read your history first HWA RANG!!! Your bro. in the arts Noble one RG10475@AOL.COM --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! 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