Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:01:51 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #32 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Rotating side kick in Ju-che ? (Dave Steffen) 2. Congratulations Sharon (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Weapons Training In TKD (bob smith) 4. Just a thought (Wayne Watkins) 5. Re: Rotating side kick in Ju-che ? (Ray Terry) 6. Re: How far back would you like to go? (J T) 7. (RE) Incorporating something new = new art ? (JT)(From Jason E. Thomas) (rg10475@aol.com) 8. Re: Just a thought (bmac2) 9. Flower Children (Ray Terry) 10. Dan Fees (Art VanVranken) 11. RE: (RE) Incorporating something new = new art ? (JT)(From Jason E. Thomas) (Jason E. Thomas (Y!)) 12. Re: ITF FEES (Derek) 13. WTF TKD school (wild horse) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Dave Steffen Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 04:14:23 -0700 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Rotating side kick in Ju-che ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Ray Terry > > In the form (tul in ITF terms) Ju-che, what is the application of > the 2 kicks(?) where the extended sike-kick leg is rotated in a > half circle? Bad description, I know, but ITFers will probably > know of what I speak. IIRC it's a side kick in one direction, and then a reverse turning kick in the other direction. > I suspect it is meant as a demo of stability, but just thought I'd > inquire. Well, yes, that too. ;-) Some would claim that reverse turning kicks are demonstrations of stability and body control to begin with. Sparring applications of reverse turning kicks tend to be either hook kicks that retract the same way they went in (a la Japanese point-style rules), or straight-legged "baseball-bat" kicks (we used to call the "swing kicks") that don't follow through all the way. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:38:41 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Congratulations Sharon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alan writes: > Congratulations to list member Sharon Tkach for her article in the > Feb. 2003 > issue of Black Belt magazine. If you have not seen it, check it out > on the > stands now. It's a Hapkido article aimed at women. We have not received our copy yet; nevertheless, I also congratulate Sharon on her continued contributions to HKD. Hope you can make it to Jackson again in March. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "bob smith" To: Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:47:53 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons Training In TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Day People, I have recently joined this site and find the discussions interesting. I practice TKD and have studied some karate. Recently my instructor has incorporated some weapons training at the advanced levels. I have no problem with this. He stated "he wanted his students to be better rounded in their understanding and exposure". In addition, he has also required that students do reading and writing assigments to give them a better understanding of the history and Korean culture. It is a change but I do not think a bad one. To all, have an excellent day! Bob Smith Wheaton, ILGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:59:39 -0600 From: "Wayne Watkins" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Just a thought Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "A true Master is not the one with the most students, but one who creates the most Masters. A true leader is not the one with the most followers, but one who creates the most leaders." - Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations With God: An Uncommon Dialogue [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Rotating side kick in Ju-che ? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:40:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I suspect it is meant as a demo of stability, but just thought I'd > > inquire. > > Well, yes, that too. ;-) Some would claim that reverse turning kicks are > demonstrations of stability and body control to begin with. > > Sparring applications of reverse turning kicks tend to be either hook > kicks that retract the same way they went in (a la Japanese > point-style rules), or straight-legged "baseball-bat" kicks (we used > to call the "swing kicks") that don't follow through all the way. But it is done so slowly as to have no fighting application, yes? The demo I witnessed seemed to match that on the ITF Legacy CD. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: How far back would you like to go? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net rg10475@aol.com, "I belive the cave man was in a gimaja-sae." Darn! I was so much leaning toward a more cat stance like fighting position. Now I have to change my curriculm to make it pure again. ;) "my belive is that there are no pure arts out there.Once a master teaches his student his art, that student will teach his student his interpetion of that art" I agree whole heartedly. That is why I made the post about do we need a successor. "And just because some TKD is teaching weapons in their curriculem dose'nt mean they are not teaching TKD." Again, I agree. The KKW never said you could not teach anything else. All they did was lay down the basic foundation of what is to be taught and learned if you are to promote within that organization. So to Fred...teach your weapons and teach you TKD. If you are following the guidlines of the organization then you are fine. :) Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: rg10475@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:31:59 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (RE) Incorporating something new = new art ? (JT)(From Jason E. Thomas) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You are correct to say none of us were around to know where the Hwarang got their skills from, but by the same token how do we know how our U.S.A. got to be the U.S.A. ? We know because we study and read matirial that was left by our forefathers. And yes we were'nt around in 57 B.C. but there are doucuments, books that tell us what was what. IF we as a people can't go by that who to say whats history. HWA RANG !!! Noble One --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:15:12 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Just a thought Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I must agree completely with you Mr. Watkins... See you in a couple of months. Looking forward to that breakfast we spoke of last August :) Kat ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wayne Watkins" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:59:39 -0600 >"A true Master is not the one with the most students, but one who >creates the most Masters. A true leader is not the one with the most >followers, but one who creates the most leaders." - Neale Donald Walsch, >Conversations With God: An Uncommon Dialogue > >[demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:50:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Flower Children Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > U.S.A. ? We know because we study and read matirial that was left by our > forefathers. And yes we were'nt around in 57 B.C. but there are doucuments, > books that tell us what was what. I know of no documents or books of old that tell us EXACTLY what the Hwarang were and what military arts they learned. There are many guesses, some claiming that the Hwarang (Flower Children) were, umm, not military related at all, but ... Flower Children. To the best of my knowledge reputable historians cannot and do not agree on this matter. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Art VanVranken" To: Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:52:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Fees Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not sure what every one else is paying, but in our area, 1st Dan was $150 2nd Dan $250, 3rd Dan $350. After that , I have no clue! --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Jason E. Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] (RE) Incorporating something new = new art ? (JT)(From Jason E. Thomas) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:47:52 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The problem is that many historian's disagree on where the Hwarang might of learned their skills and many of the historians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans) might have a vested interest. Additionally there just aren't a lot of written records from that period, so much of it is a best guess. I'd venture to say a lot of it is an opinion based on a best guess. Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: rg10475@aol.com [mailto:rg10475@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:32 PM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] (RE) Incorporating something new = new art ? > (JT)(From Jason E. Thomas) > > You are correct to say none of us were around to know where the Hwarang > got > their > skills from, but by the same token how do we know how our U.S.A. got to > be > the > U.S.A. ? We know because we study and read matirial that was left by our > forefathers. And yes we were'nt around in 57 B.C. but there are > doucuments, > books > that tell us what was what. IF we as a people can't go by that who to > say > whats history. > > HWA RANG !!! > > Noble One > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:50:22 -0500 From: Derek To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ITF FEES Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To find the fees go to www.itf-information.com, click on Information, then General Information, Testing Fee Schedule and the site lists fees. Testing Fee Schedule for Black Belt Exams Fee breakdown by percentage 1st degree $150 2nd degree $200 3rd degree $300 7th degree $700, etc. 5% to the NGB 20% to the examiner Balance to the ITF the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Message: 4 > From: Ray Terry > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) > Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 08:34:46 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF dan fees ?? > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Just checking this for continued accuracy... > > Can anyone confirm if this is still the case? > > ITF Dan Fee Schedule > ____________________________________ > > 1st Dan $180 > 2nd Dan $220 > 3rd Dan $260 > 4th Dan $300 > 5th Dan $340 > 6th Dan $380 > 7th Dan $420 > 8th Dan no fee > 9th Dan no fee > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "wild horse" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:50:08 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF TKD school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all, I have been in the States now for nearly 3 weeks and im having trouble finding somewhere to train. Please help!! I'm here from England until the end of March and i need somewhere to train, im going up the wall not training!! Im in Gambrills, MD. Any suggestions would be appreciated or just a way of finding a school, i tried the yellow pages but it hasnt proved very helpful as most places are advertised as karate or self defense. Thank you in advance. Sincerely Wendy. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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