Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #33 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: WTF TKD School (J T) 2. Pure MA (Chris Holmes) 3. Rotating side kick in Ju-che ? (Dave Steffen) 4. Commercial Success (Chris Holmes) 5. Flower Children (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Re: Dan Fees (Braeswood Martial Arts) 7. Re: congrats (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 8. Re: Re: ITF fees (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:14:26 -0800 (PST) From: J T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: WTF TKD School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am not sure how far you are from this gentleman, but I would recommend his Mst. Coceres for WTF TKD. If he asks how you heard about him, just let him know that Arturo Gabriel's student Jeremy from Illinois recommended him. Here is his info: JOE COCERES KARATE 150 Blades Lane Suite P Glen Burnie, Maryland 21061, U.S.A. (410) 590-4491 Instructor- Master Guillermo J. Coceres Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Chris Holmes" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:45:24 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Pure MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all! Its been a while since I've been yelled at so I decided to post. First I think anyone would be hard pressed to produce a pure Martial Art. Our very nature as humans drives us to improvise, borrow, and adapt. Every culture in the world has had some sort of wrestling but I am convinced that over time the techniques, the rules, and the emphasis of the "art" changed. Naturally the asian martial arts have changed, borrowed, and adapted over the centuries. The focus of practicing Martial Arts has changed. I hope that no one out the is practicing Kendo/Gumdo because they are afraid of being assaulted with a sword. I believe that out of all the korean arts there are I practice the most authentic Korean Art. Many of you may disagree. After all Han Mu Do was founded in the States, by an American citizen who happened to be a native born Korean, Dr. He Young Kimm. However, I know of no one person who has the knowledge, background, and training that he has. He wanted to establish an authentic korean art. At the higher levels we have sword training from the MYDBT and other old texts. Our movement and blocking is korean, the three count timing at the beginner levels is korean in nature. We are introducing SSirem in our curriculmn. I have seen many minor changes as Dr. Kimm continues to improve our art. Our philosophy remains the same. I am a measly 1st Dan in Han Mu Do and I do not know as much history as some of our dinasaurs on the DD but I have had the priviledge of being at numerous Dr. Kimm seminars. If I could remember 1/2 of what we were taught at the seminars I would be in great shape. I say all of this to point out that styles change, except for ITF most Tae Kwon Do schools vary in the curriculmn. As long as the extra stuff being taught does not take away or replace the original art I think it is great. I'm not saying watch a video and claim to teach Gracie Jujutisu, but introducing new stuff can be very positive. Thanks Chris Holmes _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Dave Steffen Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:52:59 -0700 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Rotating side kick in Ju-che ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Message: 5 > From: Ray Terry > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Rotating side kick in Ju-che ? > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:40:53 -0800 (PST) > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > > I suspect it is meant as a demo of stability, but just thought > > > I'd inquire. > > > > Well, yes, that too. ;-) Some would claim that reverse turning > > kicks are demonstrations of stability and body control to begin > > with. > > > > Sparring applications of reverse turning kicks tend to be either > > hook kicks that retract the same way they went in (a la Japanese > > point-style rules), or straight-legged "baseball-bat" kicks (we > > used to call the "swing kicks") that don't follow through all > > the way. > > But it is done so slowly as to have no fighting application, yes? Sorry, I wasn't quite clear. Yes, of course reverse turning kicks in general are done fast. Even then, most people consider them to be as much a body-control exercise as a fighting technique. And yes, in Juche (and in other forms) they're slowed down to make them even harder. ;-) I guess you could say that it demonstrates balance and body control; I tend to think of it from the other point of view, in that it _makes_ you develop balance and body control. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Chris Holmes" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:06:06 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Commercial Success Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello to everyone, I just wanted to start a vein on running a professional/commercial martial arts school. First I think that if you teach and charge for lessons then you have to consider yourself to be a professional instructor. If you are a professional you might as well be successful. Why does this have a negative connotation for many of you veteran martial artists? If you are a good instructor and you have invested a lot of time in your art, why should'nt you get paid well for teaching it? I've been consitantly training in martial arts for about 8 years now. I know thats just a drop in the hat for some of you but I have been working hard. Thats more time in training than many lawyers have. That 8 years would have me almost being a doctor. Why can't you instill quality with quanity? Is there a point of no return as far as quality/quanity goes? My instructor teaches professionally in a town of about 9,000 with over 150 students. He has great students, they are some of the most capable that I have seen. He does what he loves, does it well, and makes a living doing it. We should all be so lucky! Actually luck had little to do with it, he works hard to become better as an instructor and a school owner. Is there any one on the list with more that 300 students? If so how do you manage quality? How big is your market in terms of population? How have you grown your school? Thanks Chris Holmes _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:17:23 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Flower Children Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > There are many guesses, some > claiming that the Hwarang (Flower Children) were, umm, not military > related > at all, but ... Flower Children. To the best of my knowledge reputable > historians cannot and do not agree on this matter. If I had only thought of this take on Flower Children when I went to Woodstock. I could have written this whole "trip" off as a martial art related experience. Wonder if the revenuers would have bought that explanation:) Come to think of it, I experienced the evolution of an entirely new weapon system and didn't even know it -- musical instruments used in a variety of manner to bash someone. Dang, I could have been as famous as the Cane Man teaching this stuff. All jokes aside. I have seen history books used in the educational system of my native country (Holland) as well as Canada and US. It was amazing how these books, when dealing with the same pieces of naval history, differed in their accounts of what took place. From that moment on, I decided that I would take all historical data with a huge grain of salt. IMHO, using common sense is a MUST when reading any accounts that may somehow best reflect the writer's best interest. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Dan Fees Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:35:05 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Not sure what every one else is paying, but in our area, 1st Dan was $150 2nd > Dan $250, 3rd Dan $350. After that , I have no clue! These are very similar to NKMAA fees. (see it online at www.nkmaa.com) When I was with WKSA their fees were 1st Dan $350.00, 2nd $500.00, 3rd $750.00, 4th $1,000.00 and you can imagine the rest. As I am no longer a member of WKSA they may have gone up. Perhaps MW aka KSWNut can fill us in. Talking with others martial artists whom have been and are with other Associations and Federations it seems the Dan fees vary from Association to Association, or Federation:) Kat --__--__-- Message: 7 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:59:05 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: congrats Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to all who posted kind words about my HKD article. And yes, Master Rudy, I plan to make Jackson in March. :) Sharon --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: ITF fees To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:38:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Are there diffs given the different ITFs? Not trying to cause problems here, just trying to see if what I originally had in the site's downloadable archives (the last fee schedule below) was still accurate... Ray > Testing Fee Schedule for Black Belt Exams > Fee breakdown by percentage > 1st degree $150 > 2nd degree $200 > 3rd degree $300 > 7th degree $700, etc. > > 5% to the NGB > 20% to the examiner > Balance to the ITF > Not sure what every one else is paying, but in our area, 1st Dan was $150 > 2nd Dan $250, 3rd Dan $350. After that , I have no clue! > ITF Dan Fee Schedule > ____________________________________ > 1st Dan $180 > 2nd Dan $220 > 3rd Dan $260 > 4th Dan $300 > 5th Dan $340 > 6th Dan $380 > 7th Dan $420 > 8th Dan no fee > 9th Dan no fee --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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