Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:13:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #44 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Ph.D foreign universities (Tkdsid@aol.com) 2. Too Fast (Charles Richards) 3. RE>ksw books (MW) 4. Sin Moo Seminar (Todd Miller) 5. Training (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Credentials (Rudy Timmerman) 7. New website (michael tomlinson) 8. 2003 Calif State Seniors (Ray Terry) 9. Re: GM Ji seminar CT (Beungood@aol.com) 10. Re: Re: GM Ji seminar CT (Ray Terry) 11. GM Ji in CT (Chris LaCava) 12. Sin Moo Seminar (Todd W Deininger) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:43:27 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ph.D foreign universities Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tang Soo! Universities such as Yong-In in Korea offer doctorates in martial arts. I believe Monash in Australia offers a degree. Does anyone know of any other approved doctoral programs in martial arts..anywhere in the world???? Sid tkdsid@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:57:49 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Too Fast Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> My son, age 5, has been participating in TKD class for two weeks now, and on Saturday I took him to watch the school promotion test. I wanted him to see what went on so maybe he would not be as intimidated as his classmates. I think he was a little squeemish, if thats a word, after watching the board breaking segment of the test. I wonder of the safety concerning a five year old breaking a 1" pine board with a side kick! I seen alot of sloppy technique being passed on as acceptable from children in the ages of 5-10. Maybe I am expecting too much from my own son. The instructor is moving too fast, I think. Two weeks into training and he is already showing him side kicks and he can't even move from point A to point B in a front stance yet. Should I keep my mouth shut or should I say something? <> Dear Fred, As someone that used to teach 5 y/o's and now only accepts 6+ or family members that are 5, I'll speak to this. But, there are many factors that are unknown and I'm hesitant to offer an opinion on someone else's circula.... 1. Yes a back leg sidekick involves a balance, a pivot coordinated with a thrust, conversion of rotational energy to linear energy and command of independent muscles to properly form the blade. Add to that the accuracy required and distance judgement to break a board, and it's probably beyond the range of the average 5 y/o beginner. 2. On the other hand if we are talking about a sport karate front leg "stomp" kick with the heal, almost any 5 y/o with a little coaching could break with that. 3. FWIW I teach roundkick to advanced white belts as the first kick that gets them to pivot and coordinate the action with the pivot, and side kick to yellow belts, but I teach it as a front leg techniques first as the short pivot is easier than the full pivot and thrust... 4. FWIW there are two main schools of thought on basics. I've seen some schools teach all the rudimentary hand and kick techniques to beginners, figuring more practice time I guess. And others that introduce one new concept/technique per level. It sounds like your son's instructor falls into the first category. 5. Another FWIW, I look at attitude and attendance during the beginner phase, but around Green belt I expect things like consistent stances, straight wrists when punching, bladed foot on side kick and so on... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TangSooDo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: 27 Jan 03 12:17:18 -0600 From: MW To: the_dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] RE>ksw books Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Geoff: This is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth. I find the KSW books are good for only terminology and reference. Other than that they will not teach you anything. Many of the photos are confusing for the beginner especially in the hyungs. Some changes have been made since publication and are not updated. For me nothing beats good old hands on training from an experienced instructor. I bought the three volumes and they have been extremely helpful memory wise and for me well worth the money. But I use them only as reference material. michael "if I could only remember 1/2 of what I knew" whalen kswnut hope to see you at the tournament in sept. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:20:09 -0500 From: Todd Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am planning on being there with a few of my students in May. I look forward to visiting and training with you all. Todd Miller Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Assc. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:53:29 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fred writes: > The instructor is moving too > fast, I think. Two weeks into training and he is > already showing him side kicks and he can't even move > from point A to point B in a front stance yet. Should > I keep my mouth shut or should I say something? Hi Fred: IMHO, there is but a small window of opportunity to have anyone learn proper basics, and once past that point they will seldom want to go back. This may actually cause a student to get real good at how to do things wrong. A side kick is a fairly complicated technique for such a young child, and I would agree with your observation that this is going a bit beyond his capacity. At this point most children still need to learn gross motor skills, let alone be taught the finer points of proper foot position etc. needed for a safe side kick (or any other technique). If I were you, I would look around at some of the other schools in your area (or even outside of your immediate area). I am a strong believer that it is much better to drive a few more miles to a school where you are comfortable than to take the easy way out and bring your child to a close by school that you are not quite comfortable with. Look at what is being taught, not what your instructor claims he can do. I'd rather send my child to a school where the Instructor has the skill and desire to teach and relate to children than send him to a school run by a world champion who does not know how to teach but enjoys marketing his personal accomplishments. On testing: I have some personal quirks on testing students while parents are watching. Over the years, I have found that students will almost always be distracted, and it takes quite a while to get over that bad habit. Testing almost always also tends to have a student be more eager to show his or her stuff and try harder. This combination of issues can be dangerous, and I have opted to avoid it by not allowing spectators. Instead, I do a promotion ceremony where students are asked to do a controlled demonstration which may include breaking. On breaking: The long bones of young people do not stop growing until they are in their teens or even later. You must be aware that any impact such as breaking a board can cause damage to your child. Your child should never be asked to do any type of breaks that involve joints/knuckles. Some school owners even refrain from having their students break altogether, but I feel that this leaves out an important avenue of instilling self-esteem. However, the end goal of any test is that it is a safe and uplifting experience. In my school this means that I will not set up novice students for failure, I make sure to pre test students and wait to teach them about dealing with failure until they have the confidence to do so. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:05:13 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Credentials Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael wrote: > Rudy's credentials are impeccable > so in my opinion he has more of a right to charge what he wants > because I am > buying the "real" pig so to speak,, Gee thanks Mike, I think:) Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:07:52 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] New website Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey guys I am building my new website, check it out and tell me what you think, it is at: www.greendragonhapkido.freewebsitehosting.com Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:03:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2003 Calif State Seniors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2003 California State Senior Taekwondo Championships, Jr. Black Belt Festival & Color Belt Extravaganza Torodome, Cal State Dominguez Hills, City of Carson Saturday, March 15, 2003 Competitions: Gyoroogi, Poomse, Creative Poomse, Kyukpa National Qualifier: Black Belt Age 18-23 Ultra Divisions: Blue, Red & Black; age groups 33-36, 37-40, 41-44, 45-48, 49-52, 53 & + For more info call 310-212-6010 or go to URL www.laitkd.com or email masteryushenlai@hotmail.com. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:26:11 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, zachman@prodigy.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: GM Ji seminar CT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 1/27/03 7:16:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Last year I hosted a seminar for the first time for Dojunim and it was > spectacular. I have had a couple of other opportunities to train with > Dojunim and each time I leave impressed by his skill, teaching ability and > what I still need to learn. I have been so impressed that I am now a > student of Sin Moo Hapkido and follow Dojunim. I will be hosting a seminar > on Saturday and Sunday, May 17 and 18, 2003. All are welcome. If you want > more information, go to my website at www.hapkidojang.com. Michael > McCarty, Connecticut > > > I had the good fortune of attending this seminar with Dojunim Ji and also travelling down with Master Mcarty to PA on a Hapkido training trip. Both events were beyond my vocabulary to describe. Master Mcarty and his group were great hosts and made everyone feel at home as they always do when visiting them. The training with Dojunim Ji was superlative and the best Hapkido training I have ever recieved. It answered many of the questions left un answered in the past training ive had. Dojunim is a great motivator and very personable and loves to be asked many questions. Anyone who has a chance to attend DO IT! you won't regret it. JAck O Boston,ma --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: GM Ji seminar CT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > visiting them. The training with Dojunim Ji was superlative and the best > Hapkido training I have ever recieved. It answered many of the questions left > un answered in the past training ive had. Dojunim is a great motivator and > very personable and loves to be asked many questions. Anyone who has a > chance to attend DO IT! you won't regret it. Glad to hear more guys are getting a chance to train with Gm Ji. Since he closed his dojang he is interested in doing more seminars. Now is a great time for folks to host a seminar with him... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:52:17 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji in CT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike T. <> Now we're talkin! It will be good to finally meet face to face. As of this moment, I am 85% sure I'm there. Mike T. <> I will back that up. I haven't known him as long, but I was at last years seminar and Mike McCarty is a great host and a good guy. Hope to see you there. Chris LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Todd W Deininger" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:48:20 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My name is Sean Bradley, and I am one of Dojunim's students as well as a student of Grandmaster Ken MacKenzie. I am in the process of putting together an international instructor's seminar in Seattle, Washington and am trying to get in touch with as many of Dojunim's students as I can. The content of the seminar will be different from those normally taught by dojunim and will be limited to Sin Moo 4th Dan's and above only. The only exceptions he and I discussed were the head representatives of certain countries who could be eligible for testing. This seminar will be held at the end of this summer (I am working on a final date) and is limited to those instructors who actually teach Sin Moo Hapkido. This means that you should know and practice the basic 25 kicks, the basic 8, and most of the other thousands of techniques he teaches. The seminar will feature techniques he normally does not cover in basic classes and will also focus on new things he has added. We will be working on a standard curriculum that we can all work with alone or with another system you may already teach. Also, we will be working with what the future holds for Sin Moo and Hapkido in general. I have very few e-mail addresses and contacts at the moment, and am trying to get an estimate of interested instructors as well as some possible questions people may have. If you have e-mails of his instructors please send them my way or forward this on to them. This event will be invite only according to dojunim and I have to run every name by him before I can do anything. The more names I can compile, the better. This will be a great event, but I need to get the ball rolling ASAP! Thank you for your time and help locating all of those truly dedicated to the greatest martial art. If you could please send any info to me at: ColostateHKD@aol.com (425) 823 - 1859 Sin Moo, Sean Bradley --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest