Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:15:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #48 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Ray to the rescue. (michael tomlinson) 2. Etiquette (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Re:Groin Pull recovery (Beungood@aol.com) 4. RE: Re: SinMooSex-OT question point blank (Wallace, John) 5. Good Stuff (i.e. 9 Rules of Sin Moo HKD) (Ray Terry) 6. Re: track suit kicking (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 7. Healthy Whoopie (Stovall, Craig) 8. Re: Healthy Whoopie (Ray Terry) 9. Chinese influence on Korean MA (FirstPe315@aol.com) 10. Testing when YOUR ready? (FirstPe315@aol.com) 11. Re: Ray to the rescue. (Lanie) 12. Re: Re:Groin Pull recovery (Lanie) 13. Groin pull (Neal Konecky) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:28:21 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ray to the rescue. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >What is the definition of this very good rule, of >the term "healthy sex"? Ray writes: Without going into too much detail, it is far less complex than some would make it. It is more along the lines that sex for hetro adults is good. Too much sex, i.e. too frequent, can be bad. As one ages, the sex should become less frequent as it saps life energy, esp from the man. Not too complex.>> Thanks Ray, I was getting a little nervous!! Like Ray says, the rule is about adults and is pretty basic stuff.. usually involves married couples as Doju Nim Ji stated to me.. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:41:35 -0800 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Morgan writes: > I can really relate to this letter by Mr. Hurt. While in Korea as an > Infantry Scout from 1993 - 94, I experienced several of these feelings > among > Koreans as well. But like Michael stated, not very often. It usually > occurred when the young Korean man was with some of his buddys. I > guess so > he could mouth off and look "big" to his buds. But alone, the Koreans > were > not like this. After reading the last few posts on the difficulties Americans in Korea might face, it supports my statement that "poor etiquette can kill you" which I posted just a few issues ago. I have traveled all over the world, and I have enjoyed the hospitality I was afforded in many places that others billed as less than hospitable. Last year, I was just amazed (and delighted) to see class after class (and there were many) of Korean school children go out of their way to say hello to our little group of "round eyes" during a visit to the Korean folk village. I guess the kids just responded to OUR kindness and good manners. At my Dojang I never get tired of telling my students over and over again that self-defense begins with being aware of the many things in life that can impact your safety. It makes absolutely no sense to work your butt off to learn some fancy techniques only to step off the sidewalk and get hit by a bus as you leave the Dojang. Having good manners is just another one of the many self-defense tools in our bag of tricks that can help us safely through the day, and in a foreign country it is prudent to adhere to the good manners of that country. Like Bruce hint at in his post, North-Americans sometimes forget about that, and those that do sometimes pay the ultimate price for their lack of common sense. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:09:17 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Groin Pull recovery Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 1/29/03 2:09:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > . Last night I managed to pull > a muscle in the groin during a work out. Having never done this before I > experienced some new levels of pain. Anyone have recommendations for > helping > with the recovery. So far I'm using ice and Ibuprofen. > > Stay off the spice channel! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: SinMooSex-OT question point blank Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:09:48 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mrs Clum: Just to expand on Ray's point, Taoists describe the center of the body's Qi (Chi, Ki) reservoir as being in the lower abdomen (naturally enough - near the center of gravity, physically speaking). Qi is said to flow through the body, and it can enter and leave through various orifices. Sexual activity (for the male) is one activity that "drains Qi", so an older man - eager to retain as much of the "stuff of life" as he can needs to minimise activities that drain Qi, and maximise activities that build it up - presumably Qigong and the like. Perhaps making sure that his surroundings have good Feng Sui (sp?) The Asian cultures are rarely as moralistic about what consitutes "good sex" practices as our Puritan shadowed heritage here in the US. I've seen woodcuts, paintings, and silk tapestries that are quite explicit in "instruction" on various techniques however... -John W. Student of the world. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:57 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: SinMooSex-OT question point blank > Lanie: >> What is the definition of this very good rule, of >> the term "healthy sex"? Ray: > ... Too much sex, i.e. too frequent, can be bad. As one ages, > the sex should become less frequent as it saps life energy, > esp from the man. > > Not too complex. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:22:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Good Stuff (i.e. 9 Rules of Sin Moo HKD) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I first met Gm Ji on 6/24/93 at his huge dojang in Pacific Grove, CA. Within the first 10 mins of our meeting he shared with me his 9 Rules. Very briefly: - Good Food (no chicken, pork, scaleless fish, alcohol) - Good Sex - Good Meditation - No Anger - No Grief - No Greed - Good Sunshine - Breathing gently to filter the air - No hot/cold liquids on your molars (reduces ki) Am I able to follow all the above? Ummm, well, ummm... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:25:17 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: track suit kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 1/28/2003 11:24:06 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Hi. > > I just bought a warm-up suit from a martial arts company and although they > are nice looking, they do not cut it for stretching and kicking like I > thought they would (and was told). I also expected a gusseted crotch. Is > it just me (have trouble with pants due to upper leg size) or has anyone a > brand of warm up that works for them? > > Thanks. > > Dana hi dana, adidas works for me....the ones with the velcro strap at the bottom :) take care, melinda PS...sorry for not changing the header last time, folks! Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2003 Annual Show Me State Open Martial Arts Tournament --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:32:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Healthy Whoopie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote, <<>> I realize Ray is just offering an explanation here, so please don't think that I'm taking him to task on it. Ray's explanation is what I had suspected when I first read about the "healthy sex" thing. Sounds to me like the old "semen retention" advice that I've heard/read coming from some of the Chinese and Taoist circles. Of course, we have similar ideas in the West. Since the beginning, coaches have been telling their athletes to refrain from romantic activity during the period leading up to a competition. I can hear Burgess Meredith admonishing Sly Stallone as I type this, "Women weaken legs!". Then again I always use the Bob Beamon example to debunk this old coaches' myth. According to interviews, Beamon had intercourse the night before his historic long jump performance in the 1968 Mexico City Olympics, and he was convinced that his "transgression" would cost him any chance at a medal. So what happens? He goes out the next day and leaps 29 feet, 2 and one half inches. What most people forget is the fact that before this no other human being had jumped over 28 feet, much less 29. So much for women weakening legs, I guess. Where the Taoist thing steps over the line (at least for me), is the belief that sex not only weakens the body in terms of strength and speed, but also poses a serious health risk. None of this would be a problem for me if we had clinical evidence that proved too much sex caused serious health problems. But instead we're left with the "draining of vital energy" explanation, which is of course linked to the belief that a good portion of a man's chi (here we go again) is contained within his sexual fluids. I think I've made my beliefs (read: disbeliefs) about chi/ki/prana quite clear here over the last few months, so I won't belabor that point again. Hark...is that a collective sigh of relief I hear? As always, people can choose to believe what they want, especially when that belief improves the perceived quality of their life experience (oy vey, I sound like Dr. Phil). What does tend to bother me is that there may be people out there who heed the advice of a well respected authority figure, and in turn rob themselves of enjoying one of life's more pleasant experiences in order to avoid some adverse effect that is either minor or non-existent (even for all the Greybeards). Disclaimer: I'm only debunking the claim that too much sex (within reason) on a physical level is adverse. Too much sex on a mental/emotional level is a WHOLE different ball game. Obsession with, or emotional dependency upon sex, alcohol, drugs, gambling, Tuesday Night television, collecting Magic the Gathering cards, etc., is a serious problem that merits attention. Craig "I'm gonna keep on keepin' on" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Healthy Whoopie To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:49:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > According to interviews, Beamon had intercourse the night before his > historic long jump performance in the 1968 Mexico City Olympics, and he was > convinced that his "transgression" would cost him any chance at a medal. So > what happens? He goes out the next day and leaps 29 feet, 2 and one half > inches. What most people forget is the fact that before this no other human > being had jumped over 28 feet, much less 29. Just think how far he would'a jumped had he not... 30? :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:06:49 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chinese influence on Korean MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce- So how much did Chinese boxing styles influence Western Boxing? Because that's what my style of Hapkido uses...bread n' butter baby....... Just curious. Jeff In a message dated 1/28/2003 9:24:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I wouldn’t mind pursuing this material with folks who might be likewise > interested in researching more of the Chinese-influenced side of Korean > Martial Arts. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:14:34 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing when YOUR ready? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Obviously I have nothing to do today. I'm curious again. I was "kind of" taught (through example mainly) that YOU don't decide when you test, your instructor does. I was "kind of" taught (through example mainly) that when your instructor tells you to test, you test, because if you don't, you are (in so many words) telling the you know more than they do. I repeated this philosophy to a "highly skilled" white belt (lots of past experience and all) the other week and I told him that he'll test when I tell him he's ready (this is barring financial and life issues that would prevent this from HIS standpoint - of which I am flexible and understanding). This is from an individual who basicall wants to (from what I can tell) be a "perpetual" white belt. Nice idea and attitude, but unnecessary in my opinion. So am I wrong? Only people who agree with me please respond....kidding. Anyway, what do y'all think about that idea in which me and our young lad just presented??? In a message dated 1/28/2003 9:24:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I had > voluntarily kept myself at 2nd gup for a looooong time, something like 7 or > 8 months after being told I could schedule my test when I felt I was > "ready". --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: Lanie Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ray to the rescue. To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Sirs, I have been reading the responses. thank you all for the replies. There are some who say that being active can actually benefit over long term. I asked my husband his opinion. He agreed that short term, energy can be depleted. But, long term, being sexually active even as one ages has more overall health benefits. I wonder if the ancient philosophers of Tao saw sexual activity merely as a functional thing for reproduction purposes only. If so, no wonder they would say to refrain as one gets older. In our western society, thoughts about aging and love life are just the opposite of what the Taoist thought is. At least, the westerners won't miss out on late life healthy activities, then. A diet that is very healthy, however, can empower anyone for health in all aspects of life. Thank you kindly, Lanie 3rd gup USTF --- michael tomlinson wrote: > >What is the definition of this very good rule, > of > >the term "healthy sex"? > > Ray writes: > Without going into too much detail, it is far > less complex than some > would make it. It is more along the lines that > sex for hetro adults is > good. > Too much sex, i.e. too frequent, can be bad. > As one ages, the sex should > become less frequent as it saps life energy, > esp from the man. > > Not too complex.>> > > Thanks Ray, I was getting a little nervous!! > Like Ray says, the rule is > about adults and is pretty basic stuff.. > usually involves married couples as > Doju Nim Ji stated to me.. > Michael Tomlinson > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail > protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:59:09 -0800 (PST) From: Lanie Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re:Groin Pull recovery To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I have had that happen a couple times. When I strain something, I use Arnica Montana, a homeopathic remedy found in your local health food store. Also there is Arnica gel which is used for sore muscles, bruises, strains and that. The gel really works! I was told of a surgeon who has his patients take arnica montana a couple weeks before the surgery so that wounds heal quicker. My son just got stitches in his eyelid, and is taking arnica. It appears the healing has been speeded up a bit. This has been my experience using Arnica Montana. Lanie --- Beungood@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/29/03 2:09:42 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net > writes: > > > . Last night I managed to pull > > a muscle in the groin during a work out. > Having never done this before I > > experienced some new levels of pain. Anyone > have recommendations for > > helping > > with the recovery. So far I'm using ice and > Ibuprofen. > > > > > > Stay off the spice channel! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:02:27 -0800 (PST) From: Neal Konecky To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Groin pull Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lee, The usual course of treatment that I know of, Rest, Ice Compression and Exercise. I have found that the bike compression shorts help a bit, but not if the situation is acute. If you do not get results with the ice, a warm bath might help especially as the injury ages. The one thing I would NOT suggest is Tiger Balm or any other liniment. It will be quite memorable. Sorry I could not help more. Neal Konecky Who says there are no new experiences after 50. Last night I managed to pull a muscle in the groin during a work out. Having never done this before I experienced some new levels of pain. Anyone have recommendations for helping with the recovery. So far I'm using ice and Ibuprofen. -Lee Fisk (Tucson, AZ) ===== "A general Dissolution of Principles and Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole force of the Common Enemy" Samuel Adams __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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