Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:01:51 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #52 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: 10 Rules plus etiquette (Lanie) 2. Re: Belt testing (Ray Terry) 3. RE: The_Dojang] testing garbage (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 4. Re: 10 Rules plus etiquette (Lanie) 5. Journeys Back Home for Lunar New Year Begin (Ray Terry) 6. Re: 10 Rules plus etiquette (Ray Terry) 7. belts and testing (Tang Soo Do) 8. Re: Belt ranking system (Denise Lee) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Buddhism_and_Sex_stuff?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 10. Re: Belt ranking system (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Lanie Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10 Rules plus etiquette To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I meant to say that I agree with Mr. M's statements about anger and grief. The one mentioned about GM ventures off into subjects I know nothing about to be able to make a judgement call. But anyway.... Lanie --- Ken McDonough wrote: . > In order to achieve you need motivators. Being > angry and pissed off is a great motivator. > Compare that to being content, fat and dumpy. > Like eatin a lot of guacomoli (sic), > No Greed= right, tell those "No check, just > cash" Grand Masters that. > Good sunshine= agree. But, us fair skinned > white boys need lots of shade on the beach down > in the Carribean. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Belt testing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:12:39 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > "The Japanese never had a belt rank system until > Kano Sensei came along and the same holds true for the Okinawan > traditions and the traditional Chinese arts as well." > > Actually, the belt system came out of kendo first I think. Kano adapted > it, and > then the travelling judo instructors of the late 1800s and early 1900s > expanded it so they could organize seminars more easily. That is interesting, didn't know that. Any refs on that one, the Kendo part that is.?.?. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:01:06 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The_Dojang] testing garbage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Heck, my students even call me "Greg" in class (GASP!). But you know what? They all come back. And they all train hard. And they all perform just as well as (or better than) the students of my first (Master Mindgame) instructor, without all the grovelling, stress and low self esteem that those students (and I) had." Mr Giddins , say it ain't so - no good JuJu (read: ettiquette)? I am shocked :) Greg, I continue to look forward to seeing you and your lovely bride in March. Tang Soo Dean Sr. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Lanie Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10 Rules plus etiquette To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I like Mr. McDonough's statements. How can a person experience NO anger, or NO grief? That's impossible, unless a person has conditioned him or herself to do that over time. The Bhuddistic way, I think it's of Bhudda, preaches "detatchment" from emotions, from your thoughts, etc. BTW, does anyone remember the book "Be Here Now" that was published way back in the '70's? I agree that anger isn't bad, it just must be channelled or directed properly otherwise the same old, you hurt yourself and others with it. To not experience any grief would be virtually impossible unless a person has found a way to either suppress or repress emotions, or retrain him or herself to not feel...anything. Grief and anger aren't bad, or unhealthy. Just dwelling on both of them, not processing them or letting go of them are unhealthy. It's better to be angry for a moment, then to be apathetic about life, which is I think Mr. M. was alluding to. I agree with your statements, Mr. McDonough. Lanie --- Ken McDonough wrote: > > Good meditation= yes, but the Beatles wrote > about the fool on the hill. > Anger= maybe, but anger got me where I am. > Anger is a good motivator. Who wants to be a > wimp. I love that Douglas movie where he is > angry at the world. Now, I am more mellow, but > if directed right-- anger can have you achieve. > In order to achieve you need motivators. Being > angry and pissed off is a great motivator. > Compare that to being content, fat and dumpy. > > No Grief= Sorry, we all experience that. You > have to build off the grief to be stronger. > > No Greed= right, tell those "No check, just > cash" Grand Masters that. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:03:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Journeys Back Home for Lunar New Year Begin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Journeys Back Home for Lunar New Year Begin With the Lunar New Year holiday set to begin Friday Koreans are busy with last-minute gift shopping for family and relatives. And for those who are planning to celebrate the occasion in their hometowns the long trip back home has already begun in what has become an annual phenomenon. People brave bumper-to-bumper traffic in a bid to get to their hometowns to be with family when they usher in the New Year with a sumptuous feast, all amid hopes for a year of prosperity. Early birds, hoping to get a head start over the traffic congestion, crowded express bus terminals in the capital Wednesday night, but there weren't enough tickets to go around and quite a few had to abandon hopes of journeying back home in comfort, despite the fact that officials at the terminals had expanded the number of buses in service by 30 percent. Department stores nationwide have been witnessing a surge in customers from the start of the week and clerks expect numbers to reach relatively higher levels on Thursday and Friday with people looking for last minute bargains, as the stores will remain closed this weekend. (Arirang TV) --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 10 Rules plus etiquette To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:39:15 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I like Mr. McDonough's statements. How can a > person experience NO anger, or NO grief? That's > impossible, unless a person has conditioned him > or herself to do that over time. Sun Tzu said it better than I will be able, as I can not locate the appropriate quote right now. Essentially, one attains more when their goals are set VERY high... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:23:53 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Tang Soo Do Subject: [The_Dojang] belts and testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi. This is my first post, though I have been monitoring this mailing list for some time. In response to some of the comments made about belts and testing, I thought it would be useful to present the system that my school uses. I had decided to eliminate the use of color belts for reasons already stated by others. We test regularly every three months and promote using the gup and dan system. However, all gups are white belts and all dans are black belts. The results of the tests are divulged only to the individuals testing in a private meeting to discuss their progress, and whether or not they tell others the outcome is completely up to them (thus I find it easier to deny promotion to uphold standards without fear of embarrassing the student and I also allow multiple step promotions when warranted). Therefore tests are more like a checkup on a students progress than a way to determine rank. The results of this system have been quite positive. Students seem more focused on their own progress rather they how they compare to others, while at the same time they are still generally able to determine which students to look up to (perhaps since rank is not continually reinforced as visible sign with a color belt, but is evident by the skills possessed). I have been amazed by the amount of dedication students have shown even without the encouragement of color belts. Many even come to class 5 or 6 times a week and improve their skills at astounding rates. However, I must note that this system is probably not for everyone. My school (Dartmouth Tang Soo Do) is composed mainly of college students (as well as a few high school students and some older members), who I feel seem more aware of their progress than perhaps young children would. I also have the advantage of free facilities (I also teach for free; thus there is no cost to students). Thus, I am not pressured by financial need to keep students that only wish to "buy" their way to a high rank. Has anyone else ever tried/considered straying from the colored belt system? Do you think a system without colored belts would work with children? J. Khai Tran Head Instructor Dartmouth Tang Soo Do --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Denise Lee" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Belt ranking system Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:48:10 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Howdy Master Terry- > Any refs on that one, the Kendo part that is.? http://www.e-budokai.com/articles/belts.htm This article sheds some pretty comprehensive light on the topic. It's copywrited, so I just posted the link. Besides this information, although my memory is hazy, I'm remembering a senior judo practitioner and historian once explaining to me that the color belt ranking system came from some school swimming ranking system. I'm sorry that may not make much sense, but since judo was so entrenched in the schools, it seems plausable that there might be some connection. Anyone please feel free to blow this theory out of the water if you have other information:) Hope this helps in some way . . . Denise --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:02:33 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Buddhism_and_Sex_stuff?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Khalkee: Where Buddhism is concerned Sex has none of the energy that one finds in more Judeo-Christian oriented societies. If you ever get a chance read Elaine Pagels ADAM, EVE AND THE SERPENT" from Random House Publ. The Christian doctors of the Church did a real J-O-B on generations to follow. However, in the Buddhist tradition Sexuality has few of the moral implications. There are common directives to Monks regarding proper behavior towards the opposite sex including not finding oneself in isolation with a female. There is however also injunctions against not endearing oneself to the children of the house as well, the role of money in ones life, and responsibilities to ones government. Where we Westerners can be very genital-oriented when it comes to discussing sexual things, most Buddhists find the awareness of sexuality to be no more or less important than any other behavior which needs to be carefully considered. I suppose we could all get titillated by exotic talk of semen retention during intercourse, the impact of orgasm on the flow of ones' Ki and whether ones' gender enhances their relationship with The Deity. But when all is said and done we would simply get bored with the discussion when we find that it would repeatedly come around to the same question of whether what we were doing was respectful to others and ourselves before, during and after. Sorry. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Belt ranking system To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:17:40 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Any refs on that one, the Kendo part that is.? > > http://www.e-budokai.com/articles/belts.htm Thanks. But unless I missed it, this is the commonly heard story about Dr. Kano starting the kyu/dan ranks, not about it starting in Kendo. One short quote from that article: "The dan ranking system was eventually incorporated into kendo (Japanese-style sword fighting), aikido, and most other forms of traditional arts." ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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