Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #57 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Hapkidoish (Charles Richards) 2. Black Belt! (Ellen P) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Teachers'_Stumbling_Blocks?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. Korean independence movements and current issues (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Hapkidoish (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Belt ranking system -- follow-up (Ray Terry) 7. Hapkidoish (freddie bishop) 8. my son (freddie bishop) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:17:33 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkidoish Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Fred, being 'hapkidoish' has nothing to do with hapkido. There are many taekwondo instructors that teach what appear to be on the surface, hapkido techniques. They may not even have a grasp of hapkido basic motion. Don't let these type of techniques give you an impression that what you are seeing is hapkido. Jere R. Hilland www.hapkidoselfdefense.com <> OK being one who teaches hapkidoish joint manipulations with TSD I'll jump in. TSD includes Ho Shin Sul (self defense) in it's Cirriculum, and I must disagree with Bruce TSD and it's Shotokan base were not taught as sport. I try to teach my students sound martial science with TSD as a base and philosophy... That said, here's my humble opinion. I agree with Bruce too many folks (mcDojang, neh) do a few jiont locks and call it Hapkido, and do a few floor pins and call it Gracie JuJitsu. I started training in Hapkido to enhance my ho shin sul skills, and I can honestly say I have done that for myself and my students. With my new 4 day a week dojang I have had little time to continue my regular classes in HKD, but I do make at least one and often two of GM West's seminars and at least one or more of Master Allison's seminars here in Georgia. I agree with Bruce that as a 3rd Gup in Hapkido over a year away from training under a coach my 4th Dan in TSD in no way qualifies me to teach hapkido, but by making the commitment to study the basic motion, water principle, relaxed power, circle principle, etc. from Qualified Instructors like GM Timmerman, GM West, M Whalen, M. Booth, M. Allison, and M. Hilland I might be a better and more rounded martial artist. For Fred here's a clue, If an instructor (not HKD based) teaches a joint manipulation/throw, but can not determine why a student can't get the technique to work and offer coaching too correct it, then they probably have "hapkidoish" credentials to teach that technique... Be qurious to see what someone ranked in TKD and HKD has to say (Ray?). Or more in line with Moja Kwan theory, how does Sud Lud address joint manipulations, disarms, etc., or does Sud Lud just assume I have the stick so I'll beat him to death before he can do "x"? Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ellen P To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belt! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net THANK YOU Greg G, Charles Richards, and Michael Whalen! Your kind and encouraging words really helped last week and my 1st Dan test went well this weekend, I gave it my all. Just wanted to say thanks and let you know how much I appreciated your responses. Ellen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:41:39 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Teachers'_Stumbling_Blocks?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeff: "...You must understand that MANY of Hapkido's basic and initial grabs are > not meant to be realistic but are teaching you how to apply a variety > of locks from a variety of angles so that in a situation that is > dynamic and changing, your training having prepared you, will low and > behold slap on a lock that you know and you will have learned how to do > it. > > Don't be too "gung-ho" in the "stuff that works" so to speak. Many > non-Hapkido, Aikido and Jiu-jutsu people watch some of the techniques > and trainings and have the familiar "that will never work" or "nobody > will ever attack me like that". Unfortunately, it usually means they > really have no concept of what they are watching....." I think it is worth mentioning that this is also one place where a lot of Hapkido teachers fall down on the job. Being a teacher can be pretty heady stuff, with everyone looking up to you as the sole source of truth and wisdom. You are are absolutely right that the earliest material is often less than stellar when compared with things one might learn down the road. However, a good teacher will make sure that a student learns the mundane, less dramatic material before moving on to the more sophisticated things. The problem I have seen is when a teacher is afraid that a student will not committ long enough to learn the basics. Even worse, there are those situations when a beginning student effectively suggests to a teacher that "this (beginning) stuff won't work in a REAL fight". The immediate temptation is to get defensive and whip some exotic technique on the upstart so as to suitably impress him and all the spectators. For my part I have found that it is abusive to follow this course and is a no-win situation. If I drop the guy, it is only to be expected because I am the teacher and should be able to. Sorta makes me a bully, and I run the risk that my up-start will only up the antie. On the other hand, if I fail to have the desired effect of impressing everyone, now the TEACHER has to up the antie. Nobody wins in these cases. I usally just tell the student that he is probably right and that Hapkido probably doesn't work and that perhaps he is just wasting his time. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:10:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean independence movements and current issues Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: I am forwarding an information about a panel discussion on Feb. 8, 2003 at Portland State University. I hope those near Portland, Oregon attend. Subject: Panel Discussion on Korean Independence Movements and Its Relevancy to the Current Issues in Korean Peninsular Time: 3:00 - 5:00 P.M. Saturday, February 8, 2003 Place: Room 190, School of Business Administration (SBA) Building, Portland State University, 631 S.W. Harrison Street, Portland, OR (kitty-corner from McDonald on Sixth and Harrison). Parking is free on Saturdays at the PSU parking lot. Admission: Free This year the Korean Americans are celebrating the centennial year of their first immigration to the U.S. As part of the centennial celebration the FKAA Northwest States and ACDPU Oregon Sub-Council present prominent panelists to discuss Korean independence movements and its relevancy in the current issues in Korean peninsular. Panelists: Kihyong Yi The 86-year-old poet and author of biographies of two well-known Korean leaders, Ahn Chang-ho and Yo Un-hyong who led the Korean Independence Movement. He has published many resistant poems against the undemocratic or military regimes of Korea promoting human rights and peaceful unification of Korea. Mr. Yi studied Creative Arts in Nihon University, Tokyo, Japan. Wonmo Dong (Ph.D. in Government from Georgetown University in 1965) Prof. Dong is Korea Program Scholar in Residence and Senior Research Fellow of the Institute for Global and Regional Security Studies, Henry M. Jackson School of International Studies, University of Washington since 2000. He served as Director of The Asian Studies Program, Southern Methodist University for six years. He has taught Political Science at Southern Methodist University for 32 years and became a Professor Emeritus in 2000. He served as president for Association of Korean Christian Scholars in North America, Southwest Conference on Asian Studies, and Association of Korean Political Studies in North America. He has authored three books, including The Two Koreas and the United States: Issues of Peace, Security and Economic Cooperation (edited) (Armonk: M. E. Sharp, 2000), in addition to publishing more than 90 scholarly articles and research papers on Korean politics and US-Korea relations. Young Sik Kim (Ph.D in nuclear physics from the Purdue University in 1962) Prof. Kim taught physics at the Ohio State University from 1962 to 1980. He performed research at nuclear laboratories in the United States, Switzerland, and the Great Britain. Since 1980 to-date, he has been in the computer application software business. In addition, he teaches computer science at a number of American universities. He publishes Korea WebWeekly (http://www.kimsoft.com/) and IntelligenceCounterIntelligence (http://www.kimsoft.com/kim-spy.htm), web-based news and information magazines. Organizer: Federation of Korean American Associations (FKAA) Northwest States, and the Advisory Council of Democratic and Peaceful Unification (ACDPU) Oregon Sub-Council Contact: Ki-Won Rhew @ 541-344-4464, kiwon@rhew.us --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkidoish To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:41:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Be qurious to see what someone ranked in TKD and HKD has to say (Ray?). > Or more in line with Moja Kwan theory, how does Sud Lud address joint > manipulations, disarms, etc., or does Sud Lud just assume I have the > stick so I'll beat him to death before he can do "x"? Seems that those without a basic understanding of HKD frequently attempt to 'muscle' HKD techniques, making them HKD-ish. One often sees this in the TKD/TSD dojangs that teach a bit of HKD on the side. A big problem when one encounters a partner/attacker bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, etc than the attackee. HKD techniques properly taught will work when a 100 lbs lady is being attacked by a 200+ lbs brute (picture Master Richards :). Granted, there is no magic technique or system that will always work against all given attackers. Sometimes you just have a bad day. But proper focus on sound basics can maximize your chances. Re Sudlud Eskrima, Korean middle-length stick techniques I've seen are more "I have a stick and you don't therefore I'm going to beat the heck out of you with my stick". But Sudlud and eskrima in general is more of a 'we both have weapons' or 'you have a weapon but I don't' or 'neither of us have weapons'. Basic theory is stressed and much is built upon the firmly laid foundation of hand-eye coordination and constant drills to develop energy flow and energy exchange with your opponent to the highest possible degree. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Belt ranking system -- follow-up To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:14:14 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Again re: the belt system and its originating with Kendo. My previous > posting on the matter suggested a connection with a swimming ranking > system. Sounded nuts for sure :) Intesting info about the swimming connection. That portion was new news. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:42:14 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkidoish Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, today I just simply asked the TKD instructor about his Hapkido certification. He said he didn't have one. The instructor did show me the certificate he planned to award a student tonight for his "long staff" knowledge. He mentioned some master in Florida had taught him the long staff and Hapkido. I told him about the Dojang Digest, I was surprised he had not heard about it yet! I also told him about the National Korean Martial Arts Association and that he should look them up on the "net". I know the instructor has a real love affair with the Korean martial arts and I thought he would appreciate the benefit of belonging to such an organization. My introduction also benefits me because I want to belong to this organization, the NKMAA, too. Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] my son Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Today, my son received his first dobok. His mother had not seen him practice for two weeks, and when we tried the dobok on him, he naturally wanted to show his stuff. Mom was impressed with how much he has improved. Fred __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719.866.4632 FAX 719.866.4642 ustutkd1@mailsnare.net www.ustu.org Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest