Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:01:51 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 10 #74 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Dr. Kimm Mag Covers (Allison Hapkido Academy) 2. Re: Evoloution of Martial Arts (Troy Trudeau) 3. funny? story (Ray Terry) 4. NK situation (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Allison Hapkido Academy" To: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:21:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kimm Mag Covers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think I have both of those Mags. If you will send me your address I will send them to you when I am able to dig them out of my huge collection of Magazines and other assorted junk. James Allison www.hapkidosunmookwan.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Trudeau To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Evoloution of Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM Timmerman, boy, Count Dante, I havent heard that name since the 70's, early 80's, I do remember that incident and it wasnt pretty, I even had an encounter back in 1991 with a TKD GM in Knoxville,TN, I believe it was TTJC Karate , I opened a TSW School there and was paid a visit by three of his blackbelt students, they presented me with a broken board that was broken by their instructor, He told them to tell me to get out of town, I asked the students , do you know what that broken board represents, they said no, how naieve, I proceded to tell them what it meant, while my students were locking my dojang door, they didnot know what to think, I told them that it was a challenge, they got scared , after I enlightened them, I let them go without incident, I never heard another word, I was later told that he had done that to a few other instructors and chased them away, so it seems that there are still some out there that are still frivolous in their old ways, Sincerely, Troy WTSWA.COM --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:54:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] funny? story Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok, my story on dojangs/dojos challenging nearby schools... Back in the mid-70s there were two martial arts schools in this midwest city of ~100,000. One was HKD/TKD and the other was Shotokan. Our TKD/HKD school was on the second floor of an old three or four story building. This second floor gym had actually been a basketball court at some point. It was right over a bar. The meanest bar in town, but that is another story. These Shotokan guys thought they were tougher than us. So they'd wait down at the front door and attack some of the guys that were leaving late. i.e. these fellows were leaving late because after a difficult two hours of training, sparring, etc, they had stayed behind to workout even more. It seemed it was usually the yellow and green belts that were being selected. Back then you could easily tell because people didn't use gym bags, that much. Part of the after class ritual was to kneel on the floor, properly roll up your dobok, and then tie your belt around the uniform, using the belt as a carry handle. So, our Korean master, who was ~35 at the time but probably looked ~25, wrapped a green belt around his uniform and walked down the steps and out the door late one night. It was very dark. Three Shotokan Dans attacked him. He kicked all their butts, badly, and then quickly took off. These 3 black belts thought they had all just been thoroughly trashed by this TKD or HKD green belt. They never came back. After that we used to go by their dojo and just stand outside. We'd never say anything, just stand there with green belts around our rolled up doboks (whether we were a green belt or not). Funny to watch how quickly they'd leave the area, by any means possible... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:36:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] NK situation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net North Korea: IAEA Vote Sheds Light on Russian, Chinese Global Maneuvering Feb 13, 2003 Summary China and Russia both have expressed concern that the U.N. Security Council is not the best place to deal with the North Korean nuclear issue, despite a Feb. 12 International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) vote to refer Pyongyang's noncompliance to the council. Yet despite their common position, Moscow abstained from the IAEA vote and Beijing approved the decision. The difference in approach reflects the two nations' broader geopolitical interests and emphasizes their different priorities and concerns. Analysis Russia and China both said Feb. 13 that the U.N. Security Council is not the best place to deal with the North Korean nuclear issue, instead encouraging direct talks between Washington and Pyongyang. The Russian Foreign Ministry called the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) decision to refer Pyongyang's noncompliance to the Council "premature and counterproductive," adding that Moscow would support efforts to establish a dialogue on the sidelines of a Security Council meeting. China's Foreign Ministry said the Security Council shouldn't be involved at this stage and called for a political settlement "by means of the two sides talking." The commonality of Moscow and Beijing's positions appears in stark contrast to their actions a day earlier, when Beijing voted to support the IAEA decision and Moscow abstained. Their mutual opposition to Security Council interference, and their different voting positions, reflects the countries' broader geopolitical interests, and emphasizes their different priorities and concerns. Neither China nor Russia supports Security Council intervention at this time, as the North Korean nuclear issue serves to keep Washington distracted and re-evaluating its true abilities to prosecute a war in Iraq and remain prepared for contingency plans in Korea. And neither Moscow nor Beijing wants to see Washington succeed in Iraq, though neither would be altogether adverse to watching the United States get bogged down or repelled in Iraq. Yet China and Russia have very different priorities regarding their relations with Washington, Pyongyang and the rest of the world. Russia has taken a more vocal stand against the war in Iraq, publicly siding with France and Germany in opposing an early U.S.-led attack. China, while tacitly backing the Franco-German position, has remained more circumspect in its opposition. China sees its economic and political future more closely tied to the United States than Europe, while Moscow is placing its future in Europe. More important, Russia remains a waning power, desperately trying to claw its way back up to its former status as a global -- or at least regional -- power. China, in contrast, is an ascending power, and stands a much greater chance than Russia of being the next global competitor with the United States -- economically, politically and militarily. The longer Beijing can hold off or at least weaken Washington's suspicions and preparations for this eventuality, the better prepared China can be to stand on its own. But the Chinese have another, subtler reason for taking the seemingly contradictory position of supporting the IAEA hand-off of North Korea to the Security Council and calling on the council not to act. Beijing has made it clear it supported the IAEA vote because, under U.N. guidelines, that is what the IAEA needed to do. In other words, while Beijing doesn't support Security Council intervention, it strongly supports U.N. protocols. Beijing is, in essence, making a commentary on the United Nations itself -- reiterating China's stance that the United Nations MUST remain the real and functional center of all international disputes. Like Beijing's support of, and even active lobbying for, the recent Security Council resolution on Iraq, China is trying to keep the United Nations at the center of global politics -- constraining Washington's ability to push its own agenda as the only viable international position. The U.N. Security Council is unlikely to pass sanctions on North Korea; even the United States has said it will not press for such a resolution. Thus, neither Beijing nor Moscow had anything to lose in passing the IAEA vote, particularly as both nations hold veto power in the Security Council. But while Russia was trying to regain some leverage in North Korea -- coincidentally on the same day a Russian envoy was presenting three horses to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il as a personal birthday gift from Russian President Vladimir Putin - China already has a grip on North Korean relations. And while China no longer wields the influence it once did in Pyongyang, it does constrain North Korea's actions, giving Pyongyang plenty of room to play but reeling it in before it oversteps its boundaries. For China, then, the key variable was re-emphasizing the importance of the United Nations, with the added bonus of ingratiating itself to the United States and positioning itself as a champion of the international system. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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